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North Carolina ultrasound abortion law ruled illegal by judge
Reuters ^ | January 17, 2014 | David Adams

Posted on 01/17/2014 10:17:13 PM PST by boatbums

A federal judge on Friday struck down a 2011 North Carolina law requiring abortion providers to perform an ultrasound and explain it to a woman before having an abortion, arguing it violated the constitutional right to free speech of doctors.

U.S. District Judge Catherine Eagles found that a state does not have "the power to compel a health care provider to speak, in his or her own voice, the state's ideological message in favor of carrying a pregnancy to term."

The law "compels a health care provider to act as the state's courier and to disseminate the state's message discouraging abortion, in the provider's own voice, in the middle of a medical procedure, and under circumstances where it would seem the message is the provider's and not the state's," she added in her 42-page ruling.

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To: sickoflibs

This is one of the most moronic judicial rulings I have ever seen.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 11:17:57 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"It’s a sham, a charade, a farce. I feel that we might as well just laugh at it. Why dignify it with deep, deep logic?"

I have to agree with you. This is quite possibly the most absurd judicial decision I have ever seen. It is utterly laughable.
22 posted on 01/17/2014 11:20:30 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
RE :”This is one of the most moronic judicial rulings I have ever seen.”

Its total crap like this and the fact that the idiot sheep public are unknowing, uncaring or indifferent, about this judicial rule is what is scary and upsetting.

23 posted on 01/17/2014 11:21:28 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: boatbums

Abortion is the one area of “medicine” in which libs utterly retreat from their “informed consent” principle. They want women to know as little as possible about what they are contemplating.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 11:24:10 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: boatbums

.S. District Judge Catherine Eagles found that a state does not have “the power to compel a health care provider to speak,

But the Federal Government does??
Do you have a gun in the house?
Do you feel safe in the house?
etc etc.......
I call bullshit!


25 posted on 01/17/2014 11:30:30 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: boatbums

Doctors speak the state’s ideology all the time. One example is only prescribing those drugs which the state decides are legal. When they are prescribed they must be prescribed in the way the state has decided meets the State’s standard of health care. You also have doctors speaking the ideology of the state when the law requires the reporting of certain diseases. Not that I disagree with it but a doctor could be against reporting certain diseases.

The argument is without merit. The doctor is not required to be against abortion he just must present the facts about fetal development as supported by the ultrasound. Evil hates the truth, always has and always will.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 11:34:12 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
"I call bullshit!"

Don't dignify it with that description! It's worse than that - using her "logic," you could strike down ANY law!

ALL laws involves some sort of implicit or explicit ideology, but we have to obey them, and obeying them does not mean we agree with them. This ruling will not withstand appeal. Even liberal Supreme Court justices will realize that the ruling is dumb and effectively negates ALL law.
27 posted on 01/17/2014 11:35:43 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: lastchance

You state it very well.


28 posted on 01/17/2014 11:37:51 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: boatbums

Killing Babies = Choice = Good

Protecting Babies = Informed Choice = Bad

Yep, this Country is doomed.


29 posted on 01/17/2014 11:41:28 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: lastchance
"Doctors speak the state’s ideology all the time."

Another example is the new California law prohibiting psychiatrists from initiating sex-orientation therapy for gays who are minors. That is very ideological, but there is no way this judge would strike it down on any grounds, much less the "free speech" rights of conservative psychiatrists.
30 posted on 01/17/2014 11:42:35 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: gleeaikin

In today’s world “Money is Speech”, unless you think the Government should fund Political Campaigns.

Nothing “Activist” about it.

As far as your other point about Eminent Domain, you are correct. Property Rights have been attacked for decades.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 11:45:54 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is one of the most moronic judicial rulings I have ever seen.

I agree. I remember back in Florida in the late 80's early 90's the state senate was debating a law called "A Woman's Right to Know Act". It was along the same lines as this NC statute only it didn't have anything about ultrasounds in it. It mandated that a pamphlet be given to a woman and the doctor discussing what the pamphlet said prior to her undergoing an abortion. The pamphlet discussed fetal development, alternatives to abortion and the risks of abortion. Charlie Crist, a Republican at the time, was the lone hold out on that vote and it died. Some of the comments from the democrats had to do with whether or not women already knew all this information and if mandating the doctor discuss the points with them was "treating them like children" (that was an actual comment).

I really do think judges like this one imagine that all women know what they're getting when they seek an abortion so ANY impediment to just getting on with it is seen as illegal. As a former volunteer for many years with a crisis pregnancy center, I can attest that LOTS of women do not truly know the truth about abortion. They think it's just a "blob of tissue" and not a human life. We had an ultrasound machine and a tech in the center and gave free tests to any woman who wanted one. A big percentage decided NOT to go have an abortion and gave the gift of life to their babies. A fetal heartbeat starts at THREE weeks gestation!

I also counseled women who had abortions. The vast majority of them did NOT know the truth either about the development of their child, what happened in their abortion or how it affected them afterward both physically, emotionally and spiritually. Women deserve to know the truth. Judges like this one are allowing the abortion industry to play them every bit as much as the women they service. We MUST stand up together and do whatever we can so that abortion won't have to be made illegal - it will be unthinkable. Education is a big step towards that.

32 posted on 01/18/2014 12:07:50 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yep! That is the main reason.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 12:08:16 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: gleeaikin
"Do you mean like the “activist justices” who decided that corporations were people, and money was speech;"

Congress - when authorizing corporations as legal entities - decided that corporations are people, because they are - in fact - comprised of people. And, in any modern social grouping larger than a village, it takes money to get a message out to the community as a whole. In a society of 350 million people spread out over an entire continent, it does indeed require a lot of money to get a message out, and limiting the money quite literally suppresses free speech.
34 posted on 01/18/2014 12:08:23 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: boatbums

The black-robed tyrants strike again! Hell in a handbasket!


35 posted on 01/18/2014 12:09:33 AM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: GeronL
Isn’t withholding medical information a crime?

Not if you're having an abortion but you can't even get your ears pierced without full consent.

36 posted on 01/18/2014 12:10:31 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

I agree. As I said in an earlier post, abortion is the one medical area where libs want to restrict information rather than require it. For example, think of all those TV ads for prescription medicines, where they must list all the possible side-effects, no matter how rare those side-effects might be or how uncertain the relationship of the side-effect to the medicine actually is. But with abortion, their attitude is “see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.”


37 posted on 01/18/2014 12:15:13 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: lastchance
Evil hates the truth, always has and always will.

Yes, it does!

The thief comes not, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. (John 10:10)

38 posted on 01/18/2014 12:16:44 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Over the past year, I have been accused of being 'ideological' several times while 'in discussion' with Libs. Of course I am interpreting human nature, while they are slaves to ideology: projection on their part.

This 2010 Obama appointee is using a trendy liberal debating falsehood that has no legal import. Her use of "ideology" in this incendiary fashion demonstrates an absence of judicial temperament. May she be forever overturned.

39 posted on 01/18/2014 12:22:08 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: boatbums

You are right - there has been a fifty-year effort to obfuscate the nature of the human fetus/embryo, so many women really do not know the basic biological facts concerning their unborn child. They have been told it’s a blob of protoplasm, or something like a fish, or part of their own body, kind of like their appendix, but not the actual facts.


40 posted on 01/18/2014 12:24:38 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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