Posted on 01/26/2014 11:20:25 AM PST by Zakeet
A Texas hospital has agreed to remove a pregnant and brain-dead woman from a ventilator, after a wrenching court fight about who is alive, who is dead and how the presence of a fetus changes the equation.
Sunday's announcement came two days after a judge in Fort Worth ordered John Peter Smith Hospital to remove any artificial means of life support from Marlise Munoz, as her family had asked. The hospital had said it was following a state law that requires hospitals to maintain life-sustaining treatment for a pregnant patient.
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[Breaking news update, 1:50 p.m. ET]
The brain-dead and pregnant Texas woman at the center of a wrenching court battle has been removed from ventilators, lawyers for her family said Sunday.
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I’m not the one assuming that she’s in Heaven. And me wanting for her to be with her child wouldn’t make it so. If Heaven is a place without pain, which it is, the child won’t mourn his/her mother if she isn’t there. Many children won’t have their parents in heaven...it’s a sad fact. Again, what I would want doesn’t change the fact that the mother might not be in Heaven. It’s presumptuous and wishful thinking to assume that the mother will be in Heaven simply because she died in a tragic manner.
Argh. Neither of these statements are true.
yeah it wasn’t my best class, but I do have a little experience with it
Little being the operative word.
I bet it’s more than most
The irony is that she was already on the ventilator two months. Two more, and the baby could have lived without her. Halfway there, so to speak.
Oh if you feel confident enough to make baseless accusations of murder because you believe your understanding of evidence is better than most perhaps you should call the local D.A and let them be the judge of that.
I would hazard a guess the DA in question has had the same questions
“A 2005 study by the American Journal of Public Health reported that 31 percent of all pregnancy deaths between 1991 and 1999 were the result of homicide. Only pregnancy-related complications ranked higher as a cause of death. “
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3311859
Oddly enough there are no official statistics kept that correlate pregnancy and homicide.
Thirty one percent is very nearly 1 in 3. That’s in the ‘wouldn’t swear it on a bible but definitely bet on it in Vegas’ statistics.
Especially when the cause is likely to never be determined. As in this case.
We’ll likely never know what precisely caused this woman’s collapse. If it were by some other hand than God’s, justice will be done. Eventually.
If I was a family member in such a situation and you ever made such an accusation against me or mine I would file a complaint with the Bar so fast it would knock you down.
You write that you are a lawyer so amuse me. What evidence do you have that would lead to an indictment before a grand jury for a charge of capital murder? What motive do you claim the husband has? What history of malicious intent or violence against the wife has ever been committed by the husband? What medical experts have opined that the diagnosis given by the doctors treating the wife was in error?
You should be ashamed. You are a disgrace to your profession. I don’t know what your area of practice is but if it is criminal law I shudder at the thought.
well it’s not so don’t shudder
Forgive me, when a woman is murdered, when she is in a spousal relationship, in most cases the murderer is her spouse. OK?
(and now I’m off to google the stats...and I’ll be ready to concede to you if I’m wrong :)
According to the study -- which examined trauma deaths only and did not compare them to maternal deaths due with medical causes
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/20316.php
I'd say ABC sucks at journalism.
auto accidents accounted for about 44% of maternal trauma deaths, homicide accounted for 31%, other unintentional injuries accounted for 13% and suicide accounted for 10%.
Doesn't jibe with ABC's claim that "Only pregnancy-related complications ranked higher as a cause of death."
But it's a popular meme with NOW/NAG feminists that men are evil and dangerous to women and children.
Which isn't to say that improvements in medical care and continuing disintegration of the family and destruction of marriage are causing the statistics to start trading places. Unmarried pregnant women are at far higher risk than married women for being murdered by a current or former lover. The media just likes to throw husbands into the mix because they want to disguise the fact that morality and not men is the true problem.
OK, from the American Bar Assoc.’s website:
” In 2000, 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. In recent years, an intimate partner killed approximately 33% of female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims.
Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep’t of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf
Access to firearms yields a more than five-fold increase in risk of intimate partner homicide when considering other factors of abuse, according to a recent study, suggesting that abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners.
Jacquelyn C. Campbell et al., Risk Factors For Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From A Multi-Site Case Control Study, 93 Am. J. of Public Health 1089, 1092 (2003), abstract available at http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/7/1089
Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents in 2002.”
Sorry, I didn’t include the cite for the last statistic, and also sorry the Bar Assoc’s figures are so old. Those lawyers, too busy schmoozing to replies to the survey that aren’t sent to their offices (although, in this case, the info would have come from the PA/DA’s office..in which case we can blame their highly overworked and horridly underappreciated assistants!)
It’s enough of a ‘meme’ that trained professionals at a local teaching hospital had their spidey sense elevated when I turned up in the ER having ‘fallen’ and been pregnant.
This isn’t a feminist run blue state either. It’s deep red. The nurses who intently questioned me were NOT liberal types. I’m sure they were just channeling their inner Steinem /s.
Reread your statement “leading cause of death” is not the same as “most common perpetrator”.
Your original statement is wrong because it failed to differentiate between types of maternal mortality. Homicide is third, car accidents is second and medical events is first.
And the homicide rates for married pregnant women are much lower than for unmarried women.
Don’t buy into the feminist meme that men are the devil incarnate.
Oh, and feel free to post the correct stats. I look at this site as a great learning experience, so please indulge me. I really do want to know.
As an aside, due to insider info, almost all of the violent female deaths occurring in [location not given] were homicides, committed by the spouse/LIB. Yep, even that “suicide-by-rifle”.
Dad didn’t want the “burden” in case the baby had any medical issues. He’s suing the hosp. so expects a big payday. Hosp. should sue him for initiating CPR which caused her to be put on life support before she ever arrived in the ER. He’s an all knowing paramedic....didn’t he realize she was dead before trying to revive her?
The hosp. saying, as of Fri., this baby was not viable is in NO way saying he/she was deformed! Poor little baby....I bet mom would have fought for her baby to live if she was able....
If you think feminist memes don’t infest all of academia, including medical academia then I have some beachfront property in Arizona you might like to purchase.
It’s also not statistically or clinically wrong for them to question, since homicide is the 2nd leading cause of trauma related maternal death (after car accidents). So since you weren’t in a car accident, questioning you about your fall is not wrong.
That said, I slipped and fell in the third trimester of every one of my pregnancies and absolutely nobody asked me diddly about it. Although I went to the walk in clinic or my OB rather than the ER.
I am glad of that much.
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