Posted on 01/26/2014 11:20:25 AM PST by Zakeet
You say probably. It seemed as though no one wanted to know if this was true or not. A woman’s body under stress will tend to transfer that to the unborn child, That is sure. I hope they do an autopsy to ascertain the condition of the child. My guess is that the family doesn’t want to know.
According to test results, the child is not viable, not simply due to gestational age, but due to physical deformities.
The earlier national news of this incident mentioned gestational age as the primary reason for non-viability. Only later did CNN broadcast some lawyers’ words as holy writ in regards to deformities.
When were these tests that you mention done?
If the baby is still alive, they are letting it die. Maybe they should, but still, they are ending a life.
The baby still had a soul and was created by God. Sorry, but how do you know that it couldn’t have lived?
Personally I would not choose to mutilate the body of a loved one to surgically deliver a deteriorating and non viable child
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This happens to live women who are pregnant with dead or dying babies ...
My daughter had to have a C-section when her youngest was born...
her husband and I were in the OR at the time..
and no her body was not “mutilated” it was a nice even cut...
and sewn up nicely later...
in this case the woman if she was dead already would not have known what happened...
why would a family not want everything done possible to save a live baby from the dead or dying mother ???
This family is strange and I think theres more to the situation that brought this woman to the hospital...
I will have to see if I can find the article but I read something last night by a doctor with expertise in neo-natal care who said that while he did not examine the mother or child, but by what he had read of the child, that the hydrocephalus, cardiac abnormalities, and deformed lower extremities was in his opinion not the result of the oxygen deprivation of the mother, but of a genetic abnormality. If the mother had not suffered a fatal embolism and brain death and was not kept on artificial life support, most likely she would have miscarried or the child would have been still born or died very shortly after birth.
There is plenty of evidence in the medical records. Scans, ultrasounds, etc.
Mere conjecture on your part.
As far as lawyers lying... Really? The only times I’ve known lawyers NOT to lie is when they can’t ditch the proof that they’re lying.
you don’t know if it was viable or not...
youre just echoing CNN...
only an autopsy now that the baby is dead would show anything..
was one done ???
I had read they did a scan- not sure what type- that is when they detected the abnormalities. I think it was done about a week or so ago. HIPAA laws prevent a lot of that suff from being revealed.
Your daughter was alive and therefore capable of healing a surgical incision. Not so with a dead mother. And u may think whatever you wish about circumstances. I will pray for those forced to make a terrible decision with no good outcomes.
Yes, what kind of a husband is so quick to pull the plug on his (beloved?) wife and the child, his only remaining connection to her here on earth? I think he’s been vile in this.
I had read they did a scan- not sure what type- that is when they detected the abnormalities.
If you could dig up the link on that, it would clear up a lot of the fuzziness between opposing camps here.
Please post the article if you find it, I would like to read it. I read that fetal distress could cause an amniotic embolism, which is what mom had. I wonder if that would be related to the genetic issues this baby had.
Your daughter was alive and therefore capable of healing a surgical incision. Not so with a dead mother
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good grief woman
dead bodies are opened up during autopsies and sewn back up for burial all the time...
and if they die on the operating table, they get sewn up anyway...
Your Granny probably has a “surgical incision” on her body right now in the grave...
are you having kittens over that fact ???
the woman was DEAD it doesn’t matter...
Fox News had broadcasted yesterday that the unborn child was the second one for this couple. That doesn’t change my opinion of the family’s/husband’s attitude towards the incident, though.
they made a terrible decision to murder a living baby of 23 weeks gestation capable at that age of surviving if given a chance...
yes they do need prayer...
I think people are forgetting that the Doctors and the family had ‘all agreed’ to remove life support two days after the mother was declared brain and brain stem dead. That was November 28th I believe.
It’s important to remember that there was no conflict or disagreement at that time that life support would be removed and agreed by all.
One man came forward then with the Texas Law....which even if the mothers direct had in fact been written and not verbal as it was.....it’s expressly stated Texas Law overrides that directive.
This situation then stopped being a matter of life and became a matter of State and Law, which as determined now was misapplied in this case. Thus taking out of the family’s hands the care and oversight of the family’s wishes concerning both the child and the mother.
“We are in receipt of medical records providing more specific information regarding the condition of the fetus. The Munoz and Machado families feel this information is highly private and extremely sensitive, and although we believe it has no legal relevance to the pending litigation, we believe just as strongly that there be absolutely no misconception about the condition of the fetus or the status of Marlise Munoz’s deceased body. According to the medical records we have been provided, the fetus is distinctly abnormal. Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined. The fetus suffers from hydrocephalus. It also appears that there are further abnormalities, including a possible heart problem, that cannot be specifically determined due to the immobile nature of Mrs. Munoz’s deceased body.
In order for this to be in the medical records, the hospital had to have performed some sort of scan to determine this. Hydrocephalus and developmental abnormalities is not something you guess at.The hospital is not contesting this fact, either. Due to HIPAA, there is no way to read the medical records. If the dad sues the hospital, then this will come out as evidence.
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