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Snow, ice send South's flagship city reeling [Atlanta can't handle 3 inches of snow]
Associated Press ^ | January 29, 2014 | DAVID CRARY and RAY HENRY

Posted on 01/30/2014 12:45:37 AM PST by grundle

Thousands of Atlanta students stranded all night long in their schools were reunited with their parents Wednesday, while rescuers rushed to deliver blankets, food, gas and a ride home to countless shivering motorists stopped cold by a storm that paralyzed the business capital of the South with less than 3 inches of snow.

The result was gridlock on freeways that are jammed even on normal days. Countless vehicles were stranded and many of them abandoned. Officials said 239 children spent Tuesday night aboard school buses; thousands of others stayed overnight in their schools.

One woman's 12-mile commute home took 16 hours. Another woman gave birth while stuck in traffic; police arrived just in time to help. Drivers who gave up trying to get home took shelter at fire stations, churches and grocery stores.

National Guardsmen in Humvees, state troopers and transportation crews delivered food and other relief

Among the commuters trapped in the gridlock was Jessica Troy, who described her commute home to the suburb of Smyrna as a slow-motion obstacle course on sheets of ice.

"We literally would go 5 feet and sit for two hours," Troy said after she and a co-worker who rode with her finally made it home about 10:30 a.m. Wednesday. They spent more than 16 hours in the car, covering 12 miles.

At Atlanta's Deerwood Elementary School, librarian Brian Ashley spent Tuesday night with a dozen of his colleagues and 35 children on cots in the gym.

About 1,000 arrivals and departures were canceled at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; flagship; georgia; globalcooling; ice; reeling; snow; south; souths

1 posted on 01/30/2014 12:45:37 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle
I am not surprised, given that they couldn't handle the zombie apocalypse either.
2 posted on 01/30/2014 12:56:25 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: grundle

I gather the problem is from very thick ice, rather then snow.
It is still hard to understand how it could have gotten that far out of hand.


3 posted on 01/30/2014 1:06:26 AM PST by AlexW
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To: grundle

Here in Maryland I can drive in many inches of snow as long as the others are not on the road,

They either drive 20 creating backups or then end up in a ditch.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 1:30:02 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Vince Ferrer

I was born and raised in Georgia.. This is not news. What are there six snowplows in Atlanta? Ice is usually a bigger problem than snow, but given the opportunity to trash something, the author left that out. I can get out of any bad snow day by reminding everyone they will be on twisty Appalachian, ice covered roads with a Georgia Peach. I did forget to use that this year. Thanks for the reminder.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 1:33:39 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: AlexW

They started out in a warmer part to the day and after the melt froze they were lost.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 1:35:53 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: AlexW

If there aren’t salt trucks, it can get out of hand very rapidly.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 1:41:17 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The weird thing is that I can remember seeing ‘brag spots’ on TV with the DOT, City of Atlanta DOT, etc. talking about how “they’ve got it covered now.” They were ‘being proactive’, gonna use some kind of salt brine using some kind of material (which I can remember but thought was odd like pickle juice of something). They cut some contractors and bought their own equipment, blah, blah blah...

I guess we all know how that turned out now.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 1:54:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Domangart

“They started out in a warmer part to the day and after the melt froze they were lost.”
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No, it has to be more then that. I spent my first 55 years in Memphis, where we had similar situations on numerous occasions. I learned how to drive on ice as a teen. It was great fun for us teenagers, as we drove to various city park lakes to go ice skating on the ponds.
The park commission set up barrels of burning wood to keep us warm.
It does appear that the longer an area goes without such weather, the harder it is for citizens to adapt.
Add to that the rapid growth in Atlanta’s population over a rather short period of time. There were obviously many that had never experienced driving in severe winter conditions.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 2:04:17 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Gaffer

Was it beet juice?


10 posted on 01/30/2014 2:06:16 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: grundle

Why didn’t Obama just stand outside and command the winds and the snow to cease?! Doesn’t he CARE that people are dying?

And by the way, where the hell is FEMA while this storm makes people suffer?


11 posted on 01/30/2014 2:06:33 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t remember, really. It wasn’t like the kind of granularized stuff they used to use. Just some kind of liquid that had a lot of salt in it.


12 posted on 01/30/2014 2:07:51 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

“I don’t remember, really. It wasn’t like the kind of granularized stuff they used to use. Just some kind of liquid that had a lot of salt in it.”

I believe some places use sea water.


13 posted on 01/30/2014 2:10:39 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: grundle; All

Most of Atlanta is very hilly...and all the salt and plows won’t help if the road freezes quickly. No matter how well people drive, going uphill on an icy road can be impossible


14 posted on 01/30/2014 2:29:43 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Gaffer; Olog-hai

They use that brine garbage here in TN. It goes down wet but dries into slightly granular salt. I suppose it works to some degree because they keep using it, but I haven’t seen great results. If they managed to put any down around Atlanta, it doesn’t appear it did any good. That ice looked pretty thick so the brine may not have been enough to deal with it.

What’s bad is when they put it down and we don’t get any precipitation. The salt is on the roads and when cars drive over it, the tires kick salt dust into the air. Breathing that stuff is awful and it messes up folks’ sinuses and lungs. No telling what the health risks are in the long run. Can’t be good. I just know it makes my sinuses bleed and my lungs feel like they’re on fire.

They’ve put it down twice around here in the past week and we barely got a dusting of snow either time. We need a good rain to wash the junk away. We’re miserable and even our cats are having problems.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 2:35:42 AM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: grundle

A few facts keep getting left out: the NWS issued a winter storm warning at 4am telling people that the snow would start mid morning and to stay off the roads. But the temperature dropped even faster than the NWS thought it would. The previous day was warm and the initial snow melted and refroze. Traffic did not help and traffic was going to be bad even without the snow.


16 posted on 01/30/2014 2:42:11 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: grundle

We had a similar incident in Raleigh in 2005.
Forecasters predicted light dusting, no sticking. Even as it was sticking they were telling us it wasn’t. Only about 1-1/2” actually fell. and it stuck. It had been cold for a day or two.

People started leaving work around 2 pm. Streets were untreated, no plowing.
The first few folks had no trouble but the snow was compacted down into ice.

By the time officials decided to let schools out most of the road were ice and gridlocked. Too late. Kids slept in school. People spent the night in their cars stuck on the thoroughfares. Eight, twelve hours wasn’t unusual.

This round of weather the schools were closed Tues. with zero precip. coming in until evening.
Officials were overcautious this time.


17 posted on 01/30/2014 2:42:44 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie

here in central P.A this happens about every day. Havent missed a day at work in 45 years.


18 posted on 01/30/2014 3:21:45 AM PST by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: TLEIBY308
here in central P.A this happens about every day.

Try it without salt next time.

19 posted on 01/30/2014 3:36:11 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: momincombatboots
What are there six snowplows in Atlanta?

The mayor said they had 50.

20 posted on 01/30/2014 3:44:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Domangart
They started out in a warmer part to the day and after the melt froze they were lost.

This event happens in many other parts of the country too.

Understandably, southerners generally, don't know how to drive on ice or snow.

21 posted on 01/30/2014 3:47:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: grundle
For all you snickering northerners who don't understand the ground was above freezing when it started to snow. Heck it was about 60 the day before. It was snowing for well over an hour before the flakes started to stick on the pavement. Everything was soaking wet.

When the snow fall increased and the temperature dropped the entire city turned to a sheet of ice in less than 60 minutes. This was not the typical snowfall in Minnesota where the ground has been frozen for the last 12 years. When the entire city goes from zero to gridlocked in 90 minutes there is not much any road crew can do.

22 posted on 01/30/2014 3:56:35 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: palmer

Not only that, but the NWS forecast said the storm would remain south of Atlanta, with only a light dusting on the city and little to no snow north. And it was supposed to be just snow.

What really happened was it started as freezing rain, then turned to sleet. The snow followed after 1/4 inch of ice was on all th roads. And Atlanta was in the middle of the storm, not North of it as forecast.

The storm started at mid day, after commuters and school kids were already at work/school. The problems were unavoidable because of this.

All the businesses and schools tried to let out at noon, and the roads became a parking lot, with ice shutting everything down.

There were some computer models out at 0600 hrs that showed the storm moving north, but it was too late.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 3:57:13 AM PST by wrench
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To: kearnyirish2

Salt, beet juice, chemicals.... none of that is going to work when it’s 12 degrees out (morning temp in Atlanta). The only thing that works below 20 degrees is sand, sawdust, etc. to provide traction.


24 posted on 01/30/2014 4:14:12 AM PST by Justa
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To: grundle

Considering the proportion of welfare piglets in that city, I’m not surprised at the lack of resourcefulness.


25 posted on 01/30/2014 4:18:07 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Graybeard58

I am from the Deep South, by the Grace of God. I also spent four years in Alaska. What arrogant yankees don’t understand is the temperature problem. I can drive on eight inches of Fairbanks Alaska ice, nicely frozen with a bit of gravel at intersections. Try driving in the icy south, let me demonstrate. Take an ice cube, rub your finger over it... then add a drop or two of water... much slicker.
Add a few inches of ice, several miles of pavement and water floating on top... Drive on that. It is hard to understand when I have live coddled in the Frozen Alaska tundra, driving on solidly frozen ice, then slip and slide on the watery, icy mix.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 4:18:58 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: grundle
When - for whatever reason - it is truly slick, even damnyankees have a problem. Just a few weeks back we had a minor storm make the street in front of my house impossible to drive on. (As a matter of fact, it couldn't even be WALKED on without extraordinary care.) This was a case of temps very close to 32 degrees F, and just a bit of light rain and freezing drizzle.

Stuff like that will humble the hung-ho "I've been driving in snow all my life" types, whether they will admit it or not. Nowadays, the storm-stricken vehicles in the medians or ditches up here in cornfield country are as likely to be SUVs or large pickups as sedans, and it isn't because they can't handle snow, but because they slide on snot like anything else despite giving their operators that bulletproof feeling.

Mr. niteowl77

27 posted on 01/30/2014 4:44:57 AM PST by niteowl77 ("Well, THIS is a real predicament," he said.)
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To: grundle

The mayor says he takes responsibility........talk is cheap
What is the mayor going to do.......resign?

All those cold buses with all those school children should not have been left out on the roads and at the mercy of the elements

This is the South! ..we don’t have the machines or the wherewithall to counter the rare occurances of ice and snow.....

We use to have common sense to know to stay home.....especially the schools would alert folks over the radio and Tv

When I was in school in rural Tennessee it was a rare day to be caught at school if inclement weather struck........and if so, at the first flakes of snow (knowing how quickly the roads freeze)
Those county buses were lining up post haste to get us home.......and most of us lived on or traveled through hilly, steep areas.


28 posted on 01/30/2014 4:48:03 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: grundle

The mayor says he takes responsibility........talk is cheap
What is the mayor going to do.......resign?

All those cold buses with all those school children should not have been left out on the roads and at the mercy of the elements

This is the South! ..we don’t have the machines or the wherewithall to counter the rare occurances of ice and snow.....

We use to have common sense to know to stay home.....especially the schools would alert folks over the radio and Tv

When I was in school in rural Tennessee it was a rare day to be caught at school if inclement weather struck........and if so, at the first flakes of snow (knowing how quickly the roads freeze)
Those county buses were lining up post haste to get us home.......and most of us lived on or traveled through hilly, steep areas.


29 posted on 01/30/2014 4:48:03 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: grundle

Heck, this is nothing. Here in Florida everything has been shut down for three days through today and it didn’t even snow. Very very limited and scattered ice patches is about it.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 4:51:29 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: grundle

Someone sent me a picture today of a lawn chair with ice cycles hanging off of it. The caption was “Houston Ice Storm: We Will Rebuild”.

The people are so used to the nanny state that they even expect the government to listen to the weather reports for them then tell them what to do. It’s their fault they sent their kids to school. It’s their fault they decided to go to work. No one held a gun to their heads and made them go out when the weather service had issued an Ice Storm Alert.


31 posted on 01/30/2014 4:57:10 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Justa
The only thing that works below 20 degrees is sand, sawdust, etc. to provide traction.

Not true.

http://desertmtncorp.com/ice.html?gclid=CMXB0pz6pbwCFUYOOgodBigAVg

Propylene glycol also is a colorless, viscous liquid at room temperature. It doesn't have a true freezing point, but becomes glasslike at -51 C, and it can lower the freezing point of water to about -60 C. Because propylene glycol is essentially nontoxic, its share of the U.S. aviation deicer market has grown from 10% to more than 70%.

When we lived in Alaska, they used Propylene Glycol on the main roads. http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/7901scit5.html

In Houston, Texas, they put Magnesium Chloride down on overpasses when icing conditions are predicited. They don't wait until it starts. It melts ice down to 5°F.

http://www.kissner.com/magnesium-chloride-ice-melt/

32 posted on 01/30/2014 5:07:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: wrench
Not only that, but the NWS forecast said the storm would remain south of Atlanta, with only a light dusting on the city and little to no snow north. And it was supposed to be just snow.

What really happened was it started as freezing rain, then turned to sleet. The snow followed after 1/4 inch of ice was on all the roads. And Atlanta was in the middle of the storm, not North of it as forecast.

The day before the storm hit The Weather Channel forecast was showing the entire snow band to be south of Atlanta.

33 posted on 01/30/2014 7:29:39 AM PST by TYVets
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To: AlexW

“It is still hard to understand how it could have gotten that far out of hand”

It usually doesn’t. They close all the schools and everybody stays home. This was just poorly handled.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 8:12:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Pan_Yan

“Heck it was about 60 the day before.”

And here in NC, on that day, I had the convertible top down...driving around looking for clear 1-K kerosene for a kero heater, oddly enough.


35 posted on 01/30/2014 8:22:18 AM PST by moovova
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To: grundle

Which political party is running Atlanta? Aren’t they ready for massive global cooling?


36 posted on 01/30/2014 7:19:28 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Pan_Yan
When the entire city goes from zero to gridlocked in 90 minutes there is not much any road crew can do.

It's a full time job to correct the ignorant arrogance of some of the Yankees on this subject. Thanks for trying.

37 posted on 01/30/2014 7:34:43 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Justa

“Salt, beet juice, chemicals.... none of that is going to work when it’s 12 degrees out (morning temp in Atlanta). The only thing that works below 20 degrees is sand, sawdust, etc. to provide traction.”

I think they just have to get to the sunrise (as I understand it).


38 posted on 01/31/2014 4:05:53 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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