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California Students File Constitutional Challenge to Teacher Firing Practices
Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 01/31/2014 5:10:31 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/31/2014 5:10:31 PM PST by Kaslin
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Wishing those 9, and their Legal Team success.


2 posted on 01/31/2014 5:23:53 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Unions are the Company Store of Education: buy our overpriced crap or else.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 5:30:31 PM PST by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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I’ve heard it is more dire there than in any of the other 49 states. Basically, standards are non-existent and if you have a working pulse, you can teach in Cali.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 5:49:42 PM PST by freedom462
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Thanks Kaslin.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 5:52:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Kaslin

I taught fourth and fifth grade in California for one year at an elementary school next to the Round Valley Indian Reservation in Mendocino County. One of my students, Cody, couldn’t read, so I asked him to stay after school in order to make him literate. About 4:15 p.m., the union guy walks into my room.

“What are you doing here?” he asks. “The contract says you get off at four.”

“I’m teaching Cody to read.”

The union guy stares at me for a second, and repeats, “The contract says you leave at four.”

I was in my third year as a teacher, so I guess I looked a little shocked, and I stammered out, “But he needs to learn how to read.”

The union guy said, “Don’t cause trouble around here.” He turned and walked out the door.

That was one of many reasons I left the place. The union doesn’t represent me. Given a choice, I’d do away with tenure in a cold minute, and I agree with Friedman that we need vouchers. I’d do well, and the slackers would return to delivering pizzas.


6 posted on 01/31/2014 6:58:52 PM PST by redpoll
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"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students," said California Federation of Teachers President Joshua Pechthalt."
My translation:

7 posted on 01/31/2014 7:34:30 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: redpoll

And here, I’d disagree w/ Friedman and yourself...NO vouchers. It should be handled the same way as college; pay as you go.

Get rid the ‘guild’ (teaching ‘certification’) and infinite property taxes (for those OUT of K-12, or those w/out children) and direct pay. Let teachers vie for students as any other profession...you do well, word of mouth/etc.; otherwise, you’re not long for the ‘profession’.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 7:41:12 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Kaslin

They also need to go after incompetent administration who tell the teachers how to teach, what to teach, etc.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 8:17:56 PM PST by Parmy
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“You can find similar articles about New York, in fact, anywhere unions rule.”

I know this is sarcastic, but just where to you find a place in this country where the “education system” isn’t run by a RAT Teacher’s Union?
When one of our children was singled out for outrageous abuse because the we had some differences with her, the best that we could do (at the suggestion of the principal) was to take a pair of scissors and cut out everything this cretin had written in our son’s permanent record. It took the principal two more years to get rid of this teacher, and “getting rid of” consisted of getting her transferred to another school.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 8:26:03 PM PST by vette6387
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“They also need to go after incompetent administration who tell the teachers how to teach, what to teach, etc.”

I have said it here before, but it bears repeating. School Superintendents are the nation’s highest paid migrant workers. They move from district to district earning early dismissals from their gold plated contracts, take a chunk of money, and move to the next district to do the same thing all over again. Some even get to be Superintendent of the Year like that black woman in Atlanta before the rubes find out that she’s been cooking the test scores and she has to take of with $900k in “reparations.”


11 posted on 01/31/2014 8:40:37 PM PST by vette6387
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>>>>And here, I’d disagree w/ Friedman and yourself...NO vouchers. It should be handled the same way as college; pay as you go.

Get rid the ‘guild’ (teaching ‘certification’) and infinite property taxes (for those OUT of K-12, or those w/out children) and direct pay. Let teachers vie for students as any other profession...you do well, word of mouth/etc.; otherwise, you’re not long for the ‘profession’.<<<<<

Man, I would LOVE that. Come into town, hang up shingle, live and die according to my competence and how I teach. You know, I was thinking that - I stopped for a few moments and considered writing “get rid of public education” - but I went all wobbly in the knees and leaned back on more mundane ideas. Nice to see folks like you are out there... and you might be surprised at the number of teachers who would consider your scenario to be a great alternative to the current system.

You probably have an inkling of what it is like in a government school. Even the best is fraught with bureaucratic sloth. My frustration with the system is balanced by the fact that I worked in the private sector until I was 42 years old, so I know how to run a business, pay an employee, and work with the public. My colleagues are mostly retired military, and believe me when I say the discipline problems in their classes are minimal. We’re all merrily subverting the system in the most Gramsciesque manner, teaching what some would call “conservative” and “traditional” values by taking the long march through the liberal institutions. (My students, for instance, read a lot of Orwell and Solzhenitsyn, some of which is inoculation for college indoctrination.)

Be well out there.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 9:08:32 PM PST by redpoll
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"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students," said California Federation of Teachers President Joshua Pechthalt.

There's a problem right there!

Those are not teachers RIGHTS; but mere a PRIVLEDGE the law has given them.

13 posted on 02/01/2014 2:38:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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I predict a MASSIVE hardball effort by the union to SHUT DOWN the system; if it doesn't get it's way; all the while saying: "It's for the children."


"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students."


14 posted on 02/01/2014 2:41:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redpoll
I taught fourth and fifth grade in California for one year at an elementary school next to the Round Valley Indian Reservation in Mendocino County. One of my students, Cody...

With this data; they now know who you are.

(Unless there has been a LOT of Codys in the 4th and 5th grades over the years.)

15 posted on 02/01/2014 2:45:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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...the best that we could do (at the suggestion of the principal) was to take a pair of scissors and cut out everything this cretin had written in our son’s permanent record.

HMMMmmm...

Sound's like this child's parents lacked, shall we say, imagination.



Just sayin'...

16 posted on 02/01/2014 2:48:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Unions are blunt objects in a refined world. # ‘em.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 2:49:42 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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I seems we poster’s think it’s time - nay - PAST time, for the pendulum to swing back!


18 posted on 02/01/2014 2:52:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Now or later with far less mercy.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 2:58:17 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Well, Elsie, I just knew somehow you’d be here to comment. But I am amazed that you somehow haven’t woven your hatred for Mormonism into your commentary.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 8:11:35 AM PST by vette6387
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