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Trains, Pain and No Automobiles (Saturbray)
www.brayincandy.com ^ | 2/1/14 | bray

Posted on 02/01/2014 8:35:52 AM PST by bray

In those days it was not safe to travel about, for all the inhabitants of the lands were in great turmoil. 2 Chronicles 15:5

The Central Planners of Portland always seem to think they know more than anyone else and that goes double for anything having to do with transportation. Here in Tigard Oregon they have decided the way to solve 21st century transportation issues are with 19th century trains. Hopefully nobody tells them about High Speed Stagecoach or we are going to have dirt roads full of manure. These planners ignore all the obvious negatives with trains and tracks to simply push their preconceived beliefs which rarely prove accurate. They completely ignore the obvious and pursue their chicken little flavor of the day.

Electric trains have been the favorite of liberals due to the two bigger myths developed over the past twenty years. The Three Pillars of Propaganda (academia, media and the DNC) invented two major beliefs to promote trains and windmills, the first was the Peak Oil theory, the Global Warming fraud invented by that scientific guru Algore. Peak oil stated that we had found most of the oil in the world and would be exhausted somewhere around the year 2020. These agenda driven scientists could not have been any more wrong if they had tried which they did. Unlike the Statist’s world which is static, the capitalist world is always looking to solve issues efficiently through exploration and innovation like fracking and are now producing more oil than they ever have and expanding the reserves beyond anything the educated idjits ever dreamed.

The electric train needs gasoline costs to be in excess of $12 per gallon like they have in Europe and other state run countries. Even with our gummit doing everything within their power to keep gas artificially high, they cannot stop the development occurring on private ground outside their control. If they were to be neutral rather than actively trying to stop oil production we would be realistically looking at gas prices in the buck fifty range which completely destroys any argument to want to ride trains to your destination. Low cost gas would force these train buffs into accepting the car as a valid form of people moving.

To convince someone to take a terribly slow train like people did in the late 1800’s when it was cutting edge technology, you need to make the cost savings exceed the time lost riding snail rails. The central planners have to make the economic argument which doesn’t exist saying you can save $20 per trip or two hours of lost time for those who are targeted to ride. Everyone who makes more than $10 per hour will continue to drive their cars and absorb that additional cost. The problem for the train advocates is there are no economic arguments to ride that ancient technology so they have to use feel good emotional arguments to make people think they are saving the earth somehow by riding an outdated train while surfing the net on their phones. At least the central planners know to put Wifi on their horseless carriages.

The emotional argument the central planners have exploited is the Global Warming hoax since Peak Oil has been proven a farce. Once again political driven science has distorted a theory into a fact and convinced enough people there actually is something called man made climate change. Liberals are required to believe this unproven theory unflinchingly without any real questioning mindset you would normally expect in science. These temperature deniers will not dare to question anything that does not fit into their preconceived beliefs such as evolution or Global Warming. As long as the High Priests of science such as Al Gore declare a theory fact, it is good enough for the liberal masses. The climate has been changing since the sun has been in the sky as has been seen throughout the ages and temps are now going down forcing the deniers to declare Global Warming into Climate Change. For all those hoax deniers, the climate always changes and always will.

Marxists need these emotion driven fads to spend money on boondoggles like trains since the economics of transportation do not work. Nobody is going to consider using a train as serious transportation due to it being a linear form of transport. It goes from one place to another without the flexibility needed to vary its route. If your home and job happen to be along the rails and you have the additional time required to ride then it could work, however that is only a handful of people and those will likely move away from the noise and vibration of a train in short order and graduate into their car. It is completely impractical for running errands or shopping as once again it goes nowhere and nobody is going to bring armloads of groceries on a train to then hike a mile once the train drops you at the station, let alone if you have children.

The real reason they want a massive boondoggle like the train infrastructure is to launder some tax dollars for their corporate friends and paybacks to the unions. They will use these excuses to convince their political allies in the unions who will be bribed with a few years of shovel leaning, but the real winners are the train building corporations who get massive contracts with generous profits guaranteed. These are simply giant works projects from the 30’s to make sure their campaigns are contributed by the various beneficiaries of the political bosses. This scratchy scratchy system leaves the people with an inferior transportation network with more congestion thanks to not maintaining or expanding the roads necessary to provide enough lanes to efficiently move traffic. Perhaps after they build enough trains to keep the central planners happy they can look into High Capacity Stage Coach and complete their grand design. Better not give them any ideas or Metro will build another floor full of $150K planners to begin their action plans.

Pray America is Waking


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1 posted on 02/01/2014 8:35:52 AM PST by bray
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; abclily; AbeKrieger; AFPhys; airborne; Alan H; Allegra; Always Right; ...

enough braying


2 posted on 02/01/2014 8:36:37 AM PST by bray (http://www.braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: bray

See tagline. I’m in Gov. Moonbeam’s worker’s pair o’ dice...


3 posted on 02/01/2014 8:46:06 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: bray

A car with 25 mpg and two people in it has less CO2 per passenger mile than an average train or bus does per passenger mile.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 8:50:02 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: bray
With trains, you have large groups of people in an easily containable area, where they're susceptible to either a terrorist attack, or unconstitutional search and seizures.

With cars, you have freedom to go wherever you want whenever you want. THIS is why leftist Regressives keep wanting to send us back to the 19th Century.

5 posted on 02/01/2014 8:50:31 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: palmer
A car with 25 mpg and two people in it has less CO2 per passenger mile than an average train or bus does per passenger mile.

Nothing wrong with CO2. Too much of it and you can die....but two much of di-Hydrogen Oxide (H2O) can kill you too. CO2 is the way plants breathe, and the more CO2, the more vegetation.

6 posted on 02/01/2014 8:52:57 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: bray

I have applied for jobs everywhere that is not liberal. I will not move to California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. I wonder how many others have decided not to move to these slave-states? Let’s not mention those who leave them. Eventually, they’ll all resemble Detroit. Or, as my friends who used to work at a company based there call it, DeToilet. (That company is collapsing at the speed of sound, BTW.)


7 posted on 02/01/2014 8:53:54 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: bray

Man made Climate Change is totally debunked by the Big Island of Hawaii.

With its growing population, this island maintains its distinctive ecosystems despite daily volcanic eruptions containing CO2 and other “greenhouse” gases. One Can drive from the rainforest to tropical grasslands, to Alpine Snow in an afternoon.

Meanwhile, the vast windfarm on South Point lies abandoned and rusting, while the wind blown vanes kill endangered Hawaiian Birds.


8 posted on 02/01/2014 9:01:57 AM PST by left that other site
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To: bray; goodnesswins; PROCON; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; Hieronymus

If you would like more information about Oregon, please FReepmail me. I lost my Oregon list when my computer crashed last month.

9 posted on 02/01/2014 9:08:52 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MuttTheHoople

True but I would point out that CO2 also equals amount of fuel used. So if we want to save money overall, we should be driving more, not taking trains.


10 posted on 02/01/2014 9:13:20 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: bray

I like to argue that individual vehicles are a form of mass transit. After all, that’s how the masses move themselves about in many places. The statists and envirowhackos object to cars because they provide too much autonomy to the serfs, and supposedly pollute the environment more than trains and buses.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 9:18:48 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: left that other site
despite daily volcanic eruptions containing CO2 and other “greenhouse” gases

Doesn't demonstrate much of anything. The daily average in CO2 on Mauna Loa is show with black dots:

Despite irregular (not daily) eruptions with CO2, the measurements don't deviate much from the annual curve. The annual curve is caused by Northern Hemisphere vegetation dying in the fall and releasing CO2 and grabbing it back out of the air with spring and summer growth.

12 posted on 02/01/2014 9:23:52 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Disambiguator
supposedly pollute the environment more than trains and buses

And as you probably know, they don't. A bus has to be 1/2 full to equal the passenger mile fuel use of an economy car. Most buses are less than 1/2 full especially around northern Virginia where most liberals refuse to ride them.

13 posted on 02/01/2014 9:25:56 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: bray
Here in Tigard Oregon they have decided the way to solve 21st century transportation issues are with 19th century trains.
It's one thing go on a fantrip and ride the old NYC subway cars, the IRT "Low-V's", BMT Standards, or the classic R-1's that ran under 8th Av, the original A Train immortalized in song, or on a 100 year old restored Erie-Lackawanna train from Hoboken to Pt. Jervis, NY. Or to go to places like the Branford Trolley Museum near New Haven, CT or the old Strasburg RR in the Dutch Country in PA. Interesting to see what travel was like back then. On a nice sunny spring or fall day that is. Riding those old trains on a daily basis in all kinds of weather in real world conditions? It's one thing that makes you realize the "good old days" were not always good.
14 posted on 02/01/2014 9:40:00 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: bray
"The real reason they want a massive boondoggle like the train infrastructure is to launder some tax dollars for their corporate friends and paybacks to the unions."

That pretty much sums all this nonsense up. Just follow the money. In California, there is a massive teacher pension shortfall. Yet Brown, and his corporate and union friends are pushing hard for the 65 BILLION train to no place of any importance.

15 posted on 02/01/2014 9:48:14 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: palmer
When gas got over $4....on the governments advice....people were taking the bus.

But bus companies were complaining. They were losing GOVERNMENT FUNDING....because they were turning a profit...

And of course those union bus drivers actually had to work a bit.

16 posted on 02/01/2014 10:01:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Disambiguator

Envirowhackos like trains, since they can all travel while stoned on drugs. They won’t have to worry about DUIs if they can travel on taxpayer-financed trains.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 10:06:28 AM PST by abclily
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To: MuttTheHoople
With cars, you have freedom to go wherever you want whenever you want. THIS is why leftist Regressives keep wanting to send us back to the 19th Century

Right. Public transportation is perfect for control freaks.

18 posted on 02/01/2014 10:26:55 AM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: bray
We want to sing the man who holds the steering wheel, whose ideal stem pierces the Earth, itself launched on the circuit of its orbit.(Filippo Marinetti, Manifesto of Futurism 1909)

Marinetti had it right. The automobile means individual freedom. Sometimes it takes a poet to see the significance of a technological change.

19 posted on 02/01/2014 12:01:01 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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20 posted on 02/01/2014 12:02:31 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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"With trains,
you have large groups of people in an easily containable area,
where they're susceptible to either a terrorist attack,
or unconstitutional search and seizures."


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21 posted on 02/01/2014 12:12:06 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: palmer

Urban transit buses are mostly empty most of the day — even in places where they’re packed during rush hours. That low load-factor is inherent in the model.


22 posted on 02/01/2014 2:36:08 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: palmer

You mean...CO2 is caused by PLANTS? Oh the humanity! LOL!


23 posted on 02/01/2014 4:18:33 PM PST by left that other site
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To: left that other site

Most plants spew CO2 into the atmosphere each night. They generally take in a greater amount each day during growing season. Net effects by plants are somewhat unknown especially ocean algae.


24 posted on 02/01/2014 5:30:41 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

Yes...it’s all part of that pesky thing called NATURE! LOL!


25 posted on 02/01/2014 5:38:45 PM PST by left that other site
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