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Hear Bill Ayers say again, 'I wrote Obama bio' (Corsi prompts "non-ironic" declaration)
WND ^ | January 30, 2014 | Art Moore

Posted on 02/01/2014 9:13:02 AM PST by Seizethecarp

Prior to a debate Thursday night with author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza at Dartmouth College, Ayers brought up the subject himself in an exchange with WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi.

The conversation took a familiar path, but toward the end, Corsi tried to cut through the irony, pointing out to Ayers that he typically says he wrote it and will split the royalties with anyone who can prove it.

Corsi asserted that Ayers’ familiar, ironic reply was a declaration that he doesn’t really mean what he’s saying, that he was “taking it back.”

“No, it does not take it back,” Ayers insisted.

“It doesn’t?” asked Corsi.

“No,” Ayers said.

“You wrote it?”

“I wrote it,” Ayers said.

Whether or not Ayers was simply draping another layer of irony on his “admission,” Cashill’s compelling comparative analysis was confirmed in a 2009 book by celebrity biographer Christopher Anderson, “Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage,” which recounted in some detail how a desperate Obama in the mid-1990s, facing a second canceled book contract, sought the help of Ayers.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billayers; jeromecorsi; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamabio; obotconjob

1 posted on 02/01/2014 9:13:02 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; Fantasywriter; ...

Ping to Corsi on audio getting Ayers to make a “non-ironic” declaration that he wrote “Dreams.” This is what I had hoped D’Souza would obtain from Ayers in the Dartmouth debate, so I am glad to see that Corsi got the job done, although Ayers knows fully well that the MSM will ignore anything the Corsi and WND publish.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/bill-ayers-confronted-on-obama-bio-confessions/


2 posted on 02/01/2014 9:17:42 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Obama doesn’t have the herewith-all to write a book, even a fictional biography. The book, like everything in Obama’s life, is a con.


3 posted on 02/01/2014 9:20:16 AM PST by pallis
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To: pallis

“Obama doesn’t have the herewith-all to write a book, even a fictional biography.”

That would require lots of work.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 9:32:29 AM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Seizethecarp

Good thread, Seize. Thanks for posting.

I wish we had a list of Obots handy. It wd be entertaining to hear them explain away Ayers’ claim. The ones I used to know who got so upset about (for instance) Obama being called a liar have all been banned. The remaining trolls are pretty weak tea. They never come out and defend O per se; they just defend his forged documents.


5 posted on 02/01/2014 9:35:19 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp

The media wool is so thick that ayers can admit to every shady thing he helped Obama do and no one blinks an eye.

Ayers was right. Guilty as sin, free as a bird. We are the dumbest country around.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 9:36:45 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Seizethecarp

Having actually read that pile of dung, I find it hard to believe that anyone would admit to having written it. It’s so bad I almost believe that Obama is the real author.


7 posted on 02/01/2014 9:38:07 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Yaelle
Ayers "Guilty as sin, free as a bird".

As he dances away because a "technicality" in the US Constitution lets him go free.

Ayers: LoLoLOLOL

8 posted on 02/01/2014 9:47:12 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: cdcdawg

I haven’t read it. I’ve read excerpts, however. I don’t care for the style. The prose is, however, ~a hundred times cleaner and more economical than Obama’s writing. His is painfully basic, wordy and awkward. It hurts your eyes to look at. Ayers is not a great writer, but he puts Obama to absolute shame.


9 posted on 02/01/2014 9:55:00 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp
That doesn't strike you as ironic? Splitting the royalties, etc.?

Andersen's book suggests a different understanding of the situation: Obama using Ayers's book To Teach as a template for his memoir, Ayers reading, editing, and revising it.

If that's how it happened, Ayers can plausibly claim that he didn't "write" the book though his influence on it would be clear.

10 posted on 02/01/2014 10:00:01 AM PST by x
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To: Seizethecarp

Ayers does realize that before he could ever actually get a royalty check, he would need to take legal action.

No, he’s playing with their minds as no way would he go that far.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 10:02:28 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: Red Steel

Looks like an ugly dyke.


12 posted on 02/01/2014 10:03:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Seizethecarp

>>> Ayers / Obama / Chicago, IL. / Hyde Park / “the hive” <<<

Little Billy’s Bombings

Born

December 26, 1944

Glen Ellyn, DuPage Co., IL

Married

1982

Degree

1968

B.S. American Studies, University of Michigan

Fact

October 7, 1969

Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago

Fact

December 6, 1969

Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago, IL

Fact

December 1969

Attended WUO War Council, Flint MI

Fact

Between 1969 and 1981

Terrorist bomber, Leader of the Weather Underground

Fact

February 13, 1970

Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department

Fact

February 16, 1970

Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen

Fact

March 6, 1970

Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan

Fact

May 10, 1970

Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C.

Fact

June 9, 1970

Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters

Fact

July 27, 1970

Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco, CA

Fact

October 8, 1970

Bombing of Marin County courthouse

Fact

October 10, 1970

Bombing of Queens traffic-court building

Fact

October 14, 1970

Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs

Fact

March 1, 1971

Bombing of The United States Capitol

Fact

August 29, 1971

Bombing of the Office of California Prisons

Fact

September 17, 1971

Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY

Fact

October 15, 1971

Bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center

Fact

May 19, 1972

Bombing of The Pentagon

Fact

May 18, 1973

Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

Fact

September 28, 1973

Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy

Fact

March 6, 1974

Bombing of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco, CA

Fact

May 31, 1974

Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General

Fact

June 17, 1974

Bombing of Gulf Oil’s Pittsburgh headquarters

Fact

September 11, 1974

Bombing of Anaconda Corporation

Fact

June 16, 1975

Bombing of Banco de Ponce in New York

Fact

September 1975

Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation

Fact

October 20, 1981

Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.

Degree

1987

MEd, Columbia University

Address

1993

4811 S Kimbark St, Chicago, IL

Fact

1995

Co-Author of “Dreams From My Father” by Barack Obama

Bernadine’s Bombings

Born

January 12, 1942

Chicago, Cook Co., IL

Graduation

June 1959

Whitefish Bay High School, Milwaukee Co., WI

Education

1960

Degree

1963

B.A. Political Science, University of Chicago

Degree

June 9, 1967

JD, University of Chicago

Fact

July 1969

Met with Fidel Castro and representatives of the PRG of South Vietnam in Havana, Cuba

Fact

September 24, 1969

Arrested by Chicago Police

Fact

October 7, 1969

Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, IL

Fact

October 1969

Arrested by Chicago Police

Fact

December 6, 1969

Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago, IL

Fact

Between 1969 and 1981

Terrorist bomber, Leader of the Weather Underground

Fact

February 13, 1970

Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department

Fact

February 16, 1970

Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen

Fact

March 6, 1970

Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan

Fact

May 10, 1970

Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C.

Fact

June 9, 1970

Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters

Fact

July 27, 1970

Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco, CA

Fact

October 8, 1970

Bombing of Marin County courthouse

Fact

October 10, 1970

Bombing of Queens traffic-court building

Fact

October 14, 1970

Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs

Fact

March 1, 1971

Bombing of The United States Capitol

Fact

August 29, 1971

Bombing of the Office of California Prisons

Fact

September 17, 1971

Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY

Fact

October 15, 1971

Bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center

Fact

May 19, 1972

Bombing of The Pentagon

Fact

May 18, 1973

Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

Fact

September 28, 1973

Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy

Fact

March 6, 1974

Bombing of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco, CA

Fact

May 31, 1974

Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General

Fact

June 17, 1974

Bombing of Gulf Oil’s Pittsburgh headquarters

Fact

September 11, 1974

Bombing of Anaconda Corporation

Fact

January 29, 1975

Bombing of the State Department

Fact

June 16, 1975

Bombing of Banco de Ponce in New York

Fact

September 1975

Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation

Fact

October 20, 1981

Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.

Fact

1982

Served 7 months in jail

Address (Facts Pg)

1982

520 W 123rd #5w, New York, NY

Occupation

Between 1984 and 1988

Sidley Austin law firm, Chicago, IL

Occupation

1991

Professor, Northwestern University

>>> SOURCE <<<

The Obama File

http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/BillAyers.htm


13 posted on 02/01/2014 10:08:27 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Everybody knows my beef with WND. So I must give credit where credit is in fact due. And it most certainly is due here: “Excellent job, Corsi/WND! Now get Drudge to link to it and the info will get out to the Lamestream Media complex.”


14 posted on 02/01/2014 10:26:33 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Seizethecarp

Feature

They’re All in This Together

Meet Mr. and Mrs. Bill Ayers, and their friend, the president. Our September cover story.

By Alfred S. Regnery – From the September 2011 issue

http://spectator.org/articles/37001/theyre-all-together


15 posted on 02/01/2014 10:40:20 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Seizethecarp

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/03/exclusive-bill-ayers-on-the-weathermen-obama-s-crap-job-more.html

Entertainment

04.03.13

Exclusive: Bill Ayers On the Weathermen, Obama’s Crap Job & More

Robert Redford plays a member of the Weather Underground in ‘The Company You Keep.’ The group’s real-life founder, Bill Ayers, tells Marlow Stern about its radical agenda, how we provoked North Korea, and more.


16 posted on 02/01/2014 10:43:28 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

So a guy that just happens to live on your block has the ability to write a book about you and you really don’t even know him at all!
This above all is one of 0’s biggest lies in his portfolio.
It troubles me that the media giants just let this go as as a non-issue item and still do to this day!


17 posted on 02/01/2014 10:44:12 AM PST by DocJhn
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To: pallis

Obama barely has what it takes to stay awake when he needs to.


18 posted on 02/01/2014 10:45:56 AM PST by abclily
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To: Seizethecarp

http://www.mail-archive.com/sixties- href=”mailto:l@googlegroups.com”>l@googlegroups.com/msg01347.html

S.F. police union accuses Ayers in 1970 bombing

radtimes Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:05:41 -0700

[7 articles]

S.F. police union accuses Ayers in 1970 bombing

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/11/BATK16DHA4.DTL

Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, March 12, 2009

Leaders of San Francisco’s police officers union have accused Weather
Underground co-founder Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, of
taking part in the 1970 bombing of a city police station that killed
a sergeant.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 10:47:34 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: freepersup

Whoops! Bad link.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 11:03:51 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Hat tip to Fantasywriter for this thread!

Obots will claim that Ayers’ denial of “irony” is ironic!


21 posted on 02/01/2014 11:06:32 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: x

‘Andersen’s book suggests a different understanding of the situation: Obama using Ayers’s book To Teach as a template for his memoir, Ayers reading, editing, and revising it.’

Where are you getting this? Here’s the version I found:

“But sorting through the more than 200 interviews Andersen says it took to create this book, he came to a startling conclusion: After Obama had to give up on a $150,000 Simon & Schuster contract because he couldn’t complete the manuscript, his sources were telling him Obama finally had to bring in a ghostwriter to put together his highly praised Dreams From My Father for Times Books. He had a million pieces of tape, pictures, memos, notes, and no manuscript.

And he was running out of time to deliver the book.

Nothing wrong so far. Few politicians can string a paragraph together without a ghostwriter.

Unfortunately for Obama, he was caught at a July 10, 2008, meeting in Fairfax, Virginia proudly saying the following:

I’ve written two books. I actually wrote them myself.

Also unfortunately for Obama, Andersen’s sources – all of whom were sympathetic and appear to be at least neighbors to Obama – came to other conclusions. Andersen wrote:

These oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers. “Everyone knew they were friends and that they worked on various projects together,” another Hyde Park neighbor pointed out. “It was no secret. Why would it be? People liked them both.” In the end, Ayers’ contribution to Barack’s Dreams From My Father would be significant – so much so that the book’s language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers’ own writing. Even the caveat at the beginning of Dreams, in which Barack points out that he uses invented dialogue, embellished facts, composite characters, inaccurate chronology, and pseudonyms to create an “approximation” of reality, resembles Ayers’ defense of the inaccuracies in his memoir Fugitive Days. In the foreword to his book, Ayers states that the book is merely a collection of his personal memories and “impressions.” … Thanks to help from the veteran writer Ayers, Barack would be able to submit a manuscript to his editors at Times Books.”

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/did-bill-ayers-write-obamas-book/


22 posted on 02/01/2014 11:12:54 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks again for posting it. Like others, I wish Drudge wd pick it up.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 11:14:36 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter; Seizethecarp

Thanks for the thread and links. I didn’t set out to hijack the thread or post so much off topic... I just found myself needing to besmirch this scumbag with the facts.


24 posted on 02/01/2014 11:22:26 AM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: freepersup

I’m just amazed it’s not getting more attention. The other times Ayers ‘admitted’ authorship he did it in a joking way. He had plausible deniability, or close to it. This time he didn’t waffle. He just flat out says, ‘I wrote it’.

Of course anyone who’s read any of Obama actual writing doesn’t need Ayers’ confession. They already know. But for those on the fence, this should lay it to rest. Let’s hope it gets wider exposure somehow.


25 posted on 02/01/2014 11:39:48 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks for the ping.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 11:49:05 AM PST by GOPJ (Liberals never let something as petty as being 100% wrong stop them - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: pallis
The book, like everything in Obama’s life, is a con.

Yep, it was a con - but a con that worked on journalists.. where the majority of the damage in the first campaign was done.

27 posted on 02/01/2014 11:51:57 AM PST by GOPJ (Liberals never let something as petty as being 100% wrong stop them - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: freepersup

Thanks for your post.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 11:56:47 AM PST by Faith
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To: freepersup
Ayers and Dorn bombings... thanks for posting that list. I knew there were bombings and murders but I had completely forgotten how long that list was.
29 posted on 02/01/2014 12:08:08 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic; All

This website is a goldmine of information on the left’s networks. EVERYONE should bookmark it, and disseminate the web address far and wide. freepersup

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

Excerpt:

In 1985, former Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg (who also was implicated in the Nyack robbery) and Linda Evans were apprehended while transporting 740 pounds of explosives which they both acknowledged were slated for use in additional bombings. Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in prison, Evans 40; President Bill Clinton pardoned both women in January 2001.

freepersup >>> Nine months before 9-11, CLINTON pardons an unrepentant associate of AYERS, who was convicted of transporting 740 pounds of explosives! She was also involved in the armored car heist in which two policemen and a Brinks security guard were murdered. PARDONED by a DEMOCRAT- CLINTON! <<< freepersup

Good old Susan Rosenberg.

•Involved with several terrorist groups in 1970s and early 1980s, including the Black Liberation Army, the Weather Underground, and The Family

•Sentenced in 1984 to a 58-year prison term for the possession of more than 700 pounds of explosives and a stockpile of illicit weapons

•Indicted for driving the getaway car in the October 1981 robbery of a Brinks armored car carrying $1.6 million, a robbery in which two policemen and an armed guard were murdered

•After having served 16 years of her 58-year sentence, she was pardoned by President Clinton in January 2001, just days before Clinton left office.

•Was hired by New York’s Hamilton College to teach a course in January 2005

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1806


30 posted on 02/01/2014 12:48:08 PM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Fantasywriter
I'm looking at what's written on pages 164-168 of Andersen's book. These sentences are in there:

Even the caveat at the beginning of Dreams, in which Barack points out that he uses invented dialogue, embellished facts, composite characters, inaccurate chronology, and pseudonyms to create an “approximation” of reality, resembles Ayers’ defense of the inaccuracies in his memoir Fugitive Days. In the foreword to his book, Ayers states that the book is merely a collection of his personal memories and “impressions.” … Thanks to help from the veteran writer Ayers, Barack would be able to submit a manuscript to his editors at Times Books.”

I can't find the part about the "truckload of notes." Maybe it's a legal question and Andersen stepped back from claims he made elsewhere when he published the hardback, but lawyers and politicians generally create room for "plausible denial."

31 posted on 02/01/2014 1:05:56 PM PST by x
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To: x

My question to you was, where does Anderson say that Obama merely used one of Ayers books for ‘a template’, and essentially wrote Dreams himself w Ayers only contributing ‘editing’ and ‘revisions’. You said this is what Anderson’s book “suggests”. Where and how does it ‘suggest’ the scenario you described?


32 posted on 02/01/2014 1:12:18 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Faith

You’re welcome. It’s staggering what these people are, and more so what they’ve gotten away with. We are literally crumbling as a nation from the weight of it all. I honestly don’t see us escaping from it, without mass civil disobedience, which will have to be anything but civil. The founders warned us, AND gave us the tools to remedy it, so we shall see.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 1:29:23 PM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: x

Btw, the ‘truckload’ quote must be in there b/c Jack Cashill cites it too:

‘Relying on inside sources, quite possibly Michelle Obama herself, Andersen describes how Dreams came to be published — just as I had envisioned it in my articles on the authorship of Dreams. With the deadline pressing, Michelle recommended that Barack seek advice from “his friend and Hyde Park neighbor Bill Ayers.”

To flesh out his family history, Obama had taped interviews with various family members. Andersen writes, “These oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers.” Andersen quotes a Hyde Park neighbor, “Everyone knew they were friends and that they worked on various projects together. It was no secret. Why would it be? People liked them both.”

Andersen continues, “In the end, Ayers’s contribution to Barack’s Dreams From My Father would be significant—so much so that the book’s language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers’s own writing.”’

http://gciwoqjrrmmrrjqowicg.cashill.com/natl_general/andersen_book.htm


34 posted on 02/01/2014 1:30:36 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Okay, so now I have to go get the book again ...

Andersen says things like "What did interest Barack were Ayers's proven abilities as a writer," which might make you think that Ayers wrote the book. In the same paragraph he also says "But it was the tone Ayers had set in his latest book -- To Teach -- that Barack hoped to emulate."

Does that mean that Obama was imitating Ayers's style in what he threw together or that Obama wanted Ayers to write the book for him based on his notes and tapes. It's ambiguous. The answer may lie somewhere in between. At any rate, what's actually in Andersen's book doesn't correspond exactly to what you see on the Internet.

Later on, Andersen says "In the end Ayers's contribution to Barack's Dreams from My Father would be significant -- so much so that the book's language would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers's own writing." It's likely that Andersen thinks that Ayers actually did write the book but doesn't want to come out and say it for legal reasons. It's also possible that he doesn't have real hard evidence that Ayers actually wrote the book.

I don't know. I'd bet that some ghost-writing and a lot of editing were involved. But the idea that a thirty-something Obama simply couldn't throw together some rough manuscript on his own because the 18 or 19 year-old Obama had trouble with language or because he couldn't do so a few years earlier really doesn't work for me.

Whatever Ayers's contribution was I wouldn't go so far as to say that Obama's input was confined to tapes and notes. I don't know, but as I said, politicians and lawyers leave themselves some plausible deniability, some sliver of truth that the can hold onto to convince themselves that they aren't outright lying.

35 posted on 02/01/2014 1:45:44 PM PST by x
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To: x
I'll have to reply later b/c I'm out of time. But just to clarify, who said anything about an 18 or 19 yo Obama not being able to write? Must have been somebody else; I certainly never said it.

I was talking about a post-Harvard Obama not being able to write.

More later, God willing.

36 posted on 02/01/2014 1:55:56 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"Everybody knows my beef with WND."

Uhhh, not everybody. But I'm new around here.

Even so, it seems as though someone is quite full of himself.

37 posted on 02/01/2014 4:03:29 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Seizethecarp

At this point, what difference does it make???

(I am sure someone else already said that.)


38 posted on 02/01/2014 4:05:51 PM PST by petitfour
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To: diogenes ghost

Everyone who has frequented these threads (i.e. is a regular) about Obama since 2008 has a pretty good idea where I stand. I’ve been rather vocal about WND and Orly Taitz. I can’t help it if you missed the knock-down-drag-outs. They were quite an experience.


39 posted on 02/01/2014 8:39:47 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Seizethecarp

Very few adult Americans are so ignorant that they mispronounce the word “corpsman.” Such a person cannot write a book that would get published, unless he self-publishes it. One can only shudder to realize this lamebrain is commander in chief.


40 posted on 02/01/2014 10:43:07 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Very few adult Americans are so ignorant that they mispronounce the word “corpsman.”

I disagree.

I would even bet that about 47% of the population, if they saw that word, would pronounce it the same as Obama did.

Many of them are the same people who when they see the word "ASK", pronounce it as "AXE".

I would further venture that the average High School Graduate would not pronounce it properly, and if you pronounced the word and asked (sorry, AXED) them to spell it, they would spell it "COREMEN".

If you have some children, pronounce the word to them and ask them to spell it. You might be surprised by the answer you get.

41 posted on 02/02/2014 5:28:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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Now, back to the subject of whether the post-Harvard Obama cd write his way out of a wet paper bag. First, is he sufficiently proficient w grammar to tackle a book-length project? Well, here’s a very sm, limited list of just a few of his grammatical triumphs:

‘“Well, first of all, I do continue to believe that the greatest threat to United States security are the terrorist networks like al Qaeda …”

“Obviously, our efforts to continue to go after extremist organizations that would do harm to the homeland is uppermost on our minds.”

“Good morning, Marines … Diplomacy and assistance is also required to help the millions of displaced Iraqis.”

“Our families, our businesses, and our long-term fiscal health demands that we act and act now.”

“Each of these institutions are full of honorable men and women doing important work that helps our country prosper.”

“I know, I like Frank, we’ve had conversations between Frank and I.”

“… my conversation with Sergeant Crowley, there was discussion about he and I and Professor Gates having a beer here in the White House.”

“I have to say that nobody was more surprised than me about winning the Nobel Prize for peace.”

These grammatical blunders represent only the tip of the Obama iceberg.’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/08/16/NYT-Ripped-Bush-Grammar-mistakes-ignores-obamas

But when it comes to writing itself, here is my personal favorite:

“Law week, two men, Richard and Michael, walked into you office and asked for your help.

You learn that they are a monogamous, gay couple who have been living
together for the past ten years. Both men are successful architects, and after devoting the past decade on their respective careers, they have now decided that they want to marry and raise children together.”

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/is-obama-stupid-and-lazy/#HmyULtfeOfT2FV2B.99

Now pause for a moment, x, and reflect on just how bad the writing in this sample is. Where to even start w it? Consider, the men walked into your office ‘law week’ yet ‘you learn’ is present tense. So you didn’t learn ‘law wk’; you somehow, miraculously, learn in real time what was said to you ‘law week’. [The term for it is ‘tense-shifting’, and it’s an embarrassingly basic mistake. He should have learned better, if he needed to, in his first yr at Occidental.]

Next consider the painful wordiness/clumsiness of the phrasing. Cd you use more words to describe the same scenario? Maybe, but it wd take a Herculean effort. Cd you use less? W the greatest of ease, and w even greater effectiveness.

There’s more, much more, but face it, the above writing is the product of a literarily dysfunctional mind. The person who wrote it has no conception of even the most basic principles of good writing. Indeed, you might even say he has a ‘gift’ for wretched writing, since writing this bad doesn’t come easy. [And please, spare me the pathetic line that it’s just slapdash writing for a legal exam. Writers write. They write when they do prose, memoir, correspondence or simple notes. I’ve read examples of ‘slapdash’ writing by some literary greats. It’s a wonderful, amazing experience. You hear their voice—the same one that made them famous, won prizes, etc.—even in the briefest notes. They write well b/c they write well. It’s part of who they are. Just as Astaire wasn’t graceful and coordinated on stage and a klutz when walking down the street, so writers don’t turn it on and off. Good writers write well, period.]

One thing we can say for sure. The writer of ‘law week’ is not the author of Dreams. The writing in the one cd not be more different than the writing in the other. The writer of Dreams knew what he was doing [even if you don’t like his style, which I don’t]; he used the English language to tell an effective tale [at least for the intended audience] and won accolades for the effort. The writer of ‘law week’ skirmished w the English language and lost...badly.


42 posted on 02/02/2014 10:53:10 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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Ok, granted the today’s education is not what is once was. I’ll narrow my supposition: How many Columbia College of Columbia University graduates from the class of 1983 would make that mistake 30 years further into experience and reading and conversing and listening in the world? How many of the political science majors would make that mistake? This is the elite graduating class that Obama claims is his.
how many congressmen would make that mistake? How many graduate of Harvard Law School would make that mistake?

His propaganda claque claimed that he is the smartest of the smart. For some reason still not fully revealed, Percy Sutton felt he needed to say that Obama was the smartest of the smart or was prevailed upon to make that claim. The smartest of the smart would be proud to show their high school, college and graduate school grades.

The smartest of the smart adult and even the not so smart adult would not make that pronunciation mistake unless they were completely divorced from the ins and outs of U.S. culture, institutions, and divorced from any reading about or passing contact with people in military service and divorced from knowledge of the workings of the U.S. military. And this guy is given the solemn oath of swearing to uphold the U.S. Constitution and of being the commander in chief of something he not only does not understand, but knows before he starts that he wants to bring to its knees through cuts in personnel levels and homosexuals serving openly (no joke intended).


43 posted on 02/02/2014 11:03:38 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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How many Columbia College of Columbia University graduates from the class of 1983 would make that mistake

How many graduates of Columbia or Harvard cannot spell Syracuse.

44 posted on 02/02/2014 11:08:08 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

My theory is that yes, he’s ignorant enough not to know how to pronounce corpsmen. However, I read somewhere [I don’t have the p bookmarked, so I can’t say where it was] that he typically rehearses his remarks in front of a sm group of close advisors. This is standard practice in speechmaking. The speaker needs input on various points, and especially in this case needs practice w the teleprompter.

Anyway, he most likely rehearsed his remarks before a trusted audience. I’m guessing he said corpsemen and was corrected. Malignant Narcissists don’t like to be corrected.

He probably went on to use the mispronunciation in the speech for two purposes. One, it told the person who corrected him that he knew the right pronunciation and was going w the one he wanted regardless. Kind of an in-your-face backhand, if you see what I mean.

At the same time, military-hater that he is, he got to insult the elites to their face. From their POV, he was either saying, ‘I don’t care enough about you to pronounce your branch of service correctly,’ or ‘I’m calling you murderers to your faces—you are men who do nothing more than make corpses’. Either way, an insult.

Win-win for a person as sick as Obama. Make no mistake, Malignant Narcissists are very sick ppl. It’s unbelievable that the US has come to this, that we have one as a POTUS.


45 posted on 02/02/2014 1:48:12 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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Your theory rings true. Maybe he/his advisors also felt that the mispronunciation also made him seem more like the an “outsider,” more like the “underserved,” more like someone with only a basic reading level, more like the kind of people he was pretending to serve. The one thing the image too the chance of excluding was anyone who had served or had had family in the military.


46 posted on 02/02/2014 4:45:35 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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That’s a good reading of the situation. Obama knows he’s not popular with those who serve, have served or have family serving. Alienating them still further costs him little or nothing. Plus he really is petty and childish enough to enjoy giving insult to those he dislikes. The middle-finger he gave to Hillary on one occasion, and to others [look up ‘Obama gives middle finger’ in images—he does it quite a bit] is juvenile beyond belief. The same person who engages in this infantile behavior wd certainly mispronounce corps if he thought it wd serve his purpose. It’s repulsive.


47 posted on 02/02/2014 9:16:39 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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Okay. Most of what I'd seen compared Dreams to the "Breaking the War Mentality" article written by Obama at Columbia, and my assumption was that over time people do learn to write better than they did as college juniors. Maybe they don't. Or maybe Obama never did.

My second assumption is that when people say something that isn't strictly true, they usually have some partial truth to rely on. So a politician who claims that he wrote all his own books may at least have hacked out a rough draft for others to work over and polish into grammatical English.

There's some subjectivity involved. One person's rough draft or first draft may be another person's rough notes. I don't doubt that ghost writers and heavy editing were involved. My hunch is that there was some kind of rough manuscript -- or a dictated version -- for Obama to base his claim of authorship on.

Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it's the other way around. If you decide to lie, maybe you convince yourself that there's a half-truth in there somewhere. If Obama wanted to claim authorship, maybe he just convinced himself that his contribution was more than what it actually was.

I'm not sure that Andersen really knows much more than anyone else, though. He's putting two and two together -- Obama being friends with Ayers, Ayers being a better writer than Obama, Ayers supposedly helping his friends with their writing -- and concluding that Ayers was the ghost writer. I'm not wholly convinced that Anderson has the evidence or that he actually knows who wrote the book.

In any case, I have found references online to a "trunkload" of notes. That may be true and may have made it into the book, but when it gets magnified to a "truckload" of notes, you can see where I might be skeptical.

48 posted on 02/03/2014 12:54:30 PM PST by x
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A trunk-load of notes is quite a few. I’m really not seeing the big issue here.

You are seeing what you want to see. For some reason you want to see Obama as capable of writing a rough draft. This is a personal sentiment on your part. So you read it into a situation where there is no indication that it’s the case. Nothing anyone can say to you, if you are determined to give Obama more credit than the evidence warrants, will change that. It’s an irrational position, and facts cannot counter irrationality.

I’ll just add that Obama doesn’t lie like ordinary, garden variety liars. He lies like a mentally ill man. Look at his Benghazi lies. There is no kernel of truth in them. They are wholesale, unvarnished, sociopathic lies. That is the way he lies all the time. It doesn’t emanate from fudging the truth, it derives from his mental illness. He lives in a separate reality where he really is one of the three best POTUSs that ever occupied the office. He really believes he is the smartest person in the room. [Look it up; there is an exact quote from his lips to this effect.] He honestly believes he’s in a league of his own. His lies proceed from this monstrously mistaken fantasy, and bear no resemblance to reality.

Mental illness is not a pretty sight. We can pity Obama, but we really need to stop propping him up and enabling him. There is zero actual evidence that he wrote anything connected w Dreams. Zero. If your desire to believe otherwise trumps the facts, be happy w the fantasy you have chosen.


49 posted on 02/03/2014 9:45:55 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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Do you have a copy of Dreams? If so, would you be willing to do me a favor?


50 posted on 02/05/2014 6:53:36 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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