Skip to comments.Legislators learn how silencers affect guns
Posted on 02/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by aimhigh
Eesley, a salesman at Black Wing Shooting Center in Delaware, said he sells plenty of silencers, but he often has to first educate people about the reality. A silenced gun still makes quite a bang.
More than 20 lawmakers or their aides gathered yesterday at Black Wing to learn a similar lesson and hear from an expert on how silencers, or suppressors, can affect the noise levels of hunting rifles. The event was organized by the Buckeye Firearms Association in an effort to gain support for House Bill 234, which would allow hunting with a suppressor. . . . . .
Supporters of the bill argue that allowing use of a suppressor would help protect hunters from hearing damage; make it easier for hunters, particularly children, to hear commands from others; and make hunting less of a nuisance for those living nearby.
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Finally, some common sense begins to break through.
The onerous restrictions on suppressors created a serious public health issue.
So... a suppressor makes a gun go from “Bang!” to “psheeew” like in the movies, right?
I don’t have a lot of time around silencers but at best they reduce a bang to a .22 pop.
from “silenced” revolvers to gasoline tanks blowing up when hit by a bullet, Hollywood has been a bad education tool.
Prior to this they wrote legislation based on crap they saw in a James Bond movie.
The Legislators all thought they worked like the ones in TV and Movies.
It’s either Norway or Finland where, I believe, use of a “silencer” is REQUIRED.
I don’t have any experience with suppressors but it sounds like your comparison is in keeping with the details in the article. I’m just appreciative that there was some actual education going on with the lawmakers so they’re not crafting junk legislation based on Hollywood dramatizations that have no bearing in the real world.
I thought silencers were illegal in Delaware.
They go "pew pew pew"
Adopt 5 liberals and take them shooting.
Yeah, I say a movie with a revolver with a silencer. Like the sound doesn’t have about a million places to leak out of.
I think the current class 3 laws would be an excellent vehicle for breaking into local politics. Run for county sheriff and promise to sign off on any class 3 requests to anyone in the county who donated a minimum of $1 to your campaign. Then take your bargain to the local sportsmans clubs, gun shops, shooting ranges, etc.
say, saw, you know what I mean...
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It has actually been a great education tool for the progressive/Communist movement. 51% get their news and values from TV and movies.
But the do get one thing about guns right. Bad guys will always have them.
we used to use them here for the same reasons most europeans use them. out of politeness and to save our hearing.
I don’t think the promise to sign off in return for campaign contributions would fly to well. You can promise anything, but you can’t “sell” that commitment IIRC...
They are proposing a bill to allow them for hunting.
The Russians made a revolver which did work well with a suppressor because the cylinder locked up against the barrel on trigger pull.
Delaware is a blue state they have silencers to spare.
A suppressor will: 1) completely hide muzzle flash at night, but 2) will not silence the sound of the self-loader’s normal operating cycle that is obscured by the muzzle blast of a conventional gun. [A bolt action will not be as noisy as a self-loader.]
The suppressor will drop the sound of the firearm so that the sniper becomes very difficult to detect. The muffled shot defies location by those being fired upon and that is the chief advantage of the suppressor — confusing the enemy about the location of a shooter.
I have two suppressors, licensed and everything. One is for .22 or .223 and the other is for .45 (but will also work for anything smaller, like .40 or even 9mm.).
Here’s the deal: you can’t silence a supersonic bullet. But when you suppress it, it becomes very difficult to determine which direction it came from.
A .22LR is subsonic from any barrel less than about 14 inches or so in length. The less powder, the less the bang and the more it can be suppressed. A regular .22LR still makes a pronounced BANG even with a suppressor, but it is quiet enough to shoot in an indoor range without hearing protection. Same with the .45. But it isn’t quiet. It’s still loud but it isn’t loud enough to cause hearing damage.
If you really want to quiet a cartridge down, it takes really soft loads that skirt just below the sound barrier, and use just enough powder to get them there.
One of the important effects of a suppressor is that it changes the nature of the gunshot sound such that it is just a softened noise that doesn’t sound so much like a gunshot anymore. It’s still a thump. But not a gunshot sound.
The only downer of the story is how our legislators, the very people we entrust to enact laws that affect our very lives, are people of such low intellectual curiosity and real world experience outside their cushy desk jobs that they have to learn about suppressors like third graders on a field trip.
I saw a video by Hickock45 shooting one of those revolvers it was impressive against a regular revolver!
Apparently he did no research about guns at all, despite how prominently they figured in his stories.
The safety on my Webley revolver is noisy, so easing it off would be impossible.
...Wanna make a real big splash? I mean more money and publicity than you’d know what to do with? Do the same with approval letters under 922(o).
You don't have to tell me about it! I'm a septuagnerian with significant hearing loss and continuous LOUD tinnitus -- from shooting un-suppressed handguns when I was in my early twenties.
Basically guarantee non-enforcement of any law relating to the home manufacture of machine guns or machine gun parts IOW?
No matter what, Fudds or antis: WE LOSE.
Like the TV show "Chuck", which had so much promise because of the awesome Adam Baldwin, shows a cartoon EVERY SHOW during the intro of an ENTIRE CARTRIDGE (rim, bullet, and all) coming out of the end of a revolver.
Most TV shows have stupid gun stuff. Like the stupid "hammer cocking" sounds they play when the actor points a GLOCK at the bad guy!
Like the stupid "rack" sound they play when a SEMI-AUTOMATIC (not pump) shotgun is pointed by an actor at a bad guy!
Grates on my nerves.
Called a gas seal revolver. My Mosin Nagant is one. Trigger pull on double action is like 10 or 15 lbs because it has to pull the cylinder away from the forcing cone to rotate.
Form 4 approvals. ‘86 cutoff doesn’t apply.
There is reason to believe this is happening in secret for the well-connected. Time to bring it to all law-abiding citizens.
I have one too. They are pleasant to shoot but relatively expensive.
Those were editorial calls. They deliberately screw up gun facts across all the publishing houses. Its an open conspiracy, and they don't care who knows it. If pushed, they'll claim they're "protecting" people by making it harder for criminals to use guns. But it's obvious that the real reason is political.
One of my associates just took a case to defend a guy who had a silencer.
Probably a good move not to use subsonic ammo.
it is your right to remain silencer that is why you hire a mouthpiece
Even some of the Cor-Bon +P runs at 1075 FPS. You still hear boom but no supersonic crack .
I know of such a case actually. It’s definitely time for our movement to take control of some sheriff’s offices. We have the numbers, all we need are some motivated individuals. Requirements to run for sheriff vary by state. In states, where the requirements are only that you get more votes than your opponent, the path is clear. In states that require formal peace officer training or other requirements that lock our movement out, we need to petition our legislators to revise the codes that stand in our way and get our people in and then we need to nullify some laws.
True. A .45 is almost always a subsonic bullet. It does however have a large and loud powder propellant. The suppressor will quash the sound somewhat but not completely.
I like his vid of using the Fram silencer, and the STP suppressor.