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Legislators learn how silencers affect guns
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | 02/04/2014 | Jim Siegel

Posted on 02/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by aimhigh

Eesley, a salesman at Black Wing Shooting Center in Delaware, said he sells plenty of silencers, but he often has to first educate people about the reality. A silenced gun still makes quite a bang.

More than 20 lawmakers or their aides gathered yesterday at Black Wing to learn a similar lesson and hear from an expert on how silencers, or suppressors, can affect the noise levels of hunting rifles. The event was organized by the Buckeye Firearms Association in an effort to gain support for House Bill 234, which would allow hunting with a suppressor. . . . . .

Supporters of the bill argue that allowing use of a suppressor would help protect hunters from hearing damage; make it easier for hunters, particularly children, to hear commands from others; and make hunting less of a nuisance for those living nearby.

(Excerpt) Read more at dispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Ohio; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; silencer; suppressor
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1 posted on 02/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Finally, some common sense begins to break through.


2 posted on 02/04/2014 4:43:52 PM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: aimhigh

The onerous restrictions on suppressors created a serious public health issue.


3 posted on 02/04/2014 4:44:13 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: aimhigh

So... a suppressor makes a gun go from “Bang!” to “psheeew” like in the movies, right?


4 posted on 02/04/2014 4:46:29 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( 0bama's words are the distraction to the destruction ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

I don’t have a lot of time around silencers but at best they reduce a bang to a .22 pop.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 4:49:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

from “silenced” revolvers to gasoline tanks blowing up when hit by a bullet, Hollywood has been a bad education tool.


6 posted on 02/04/2014 4:50:25 PM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: aimhigh

Prior to this they wrote legislation based on crap they saw in a James Bond movie.


7 posted on 02/04/2014 4:50:38 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: aimhigh

The Legislators all thought they worked like the ones in TV and Movies.


8 posted on 02/04/2014 4:56:42 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: aimhigh

It’s either Norway or Finland where, I believe, use of a “silencer” is REQUIRED.


9 posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:15 PM PST by gaijin
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t have any experience with suppressors but it sounds like your comparison is in keeping with the details in the article. I’m just appreciative that there was some actual education going on with the lawmakers so they’re not crafting junk legislation based on Hollywood dramatizations that have no bearing in the real world.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:16 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( 0bama's words are the distraction to the destruction ))))
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To: Repeal The 17th

I thought silencers were illegal in Delaware.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 5:03:51 PM PST by SaxuminMD
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So... a suppressor makes a gun go from “Bang!” to “psheeew” like in the movies, right?

They go "pew pew pew"

:^)

12 posted on 02/04/2014 5:04:03 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: aimhigh

Adopt 5 liberals and take them shooting.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 5:05:33 PM PST by lurk
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To: hadaclueonce

Yeah, I say a movie with a revolver with a silencer. Like the sound doesn’t have about a million places to leak out of.


14 posted on 02/04/2014 5:06:22 PM PST by fhayek
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To: aimhigh

I think the current class 3 laws would be an excellent vehicle for breaking into local politics. Run for county sheriff and promise to sign off on any class 3 requests to anyone in the county who donated a minimum of $1 to your campaign. Then take your bargain to the local sportsmans clubs, gun shops, shooting ranges, etc.


15 posted on 02/04/2014 5:06:53 PM PST by RC one
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To: fhayek

say, saw, you know what I mean...


16 posted on 02/04/2014 5:07:03 PM PST by fhayek
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To: aimhigh
Take the muffler off of my bike- I'm illegal.
Put a muffler on my gun- I'm illegal.
17 posted on 02/04/2014 5:10:40 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: lurk; All
"Adopt 5 liberals and take them shooting."

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18 posted on 02/04/2014 5:10:47 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: hadaclueonce
Hollywood has been a bad education tool.

It has actually been a great education tool for the progressive/Communist movement. 51% get their news and values from TV and movies.

19 posted on 02/04/2014 5:13:28 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: hadaclueonce

But the do get one thing about guns right. Bad guys will always have them.


20 posted on 02/04/2014 5:14:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: gaijin

we used to use them here for the same reasons most europeans use them. out of politeness and to save our hearing.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RC one

I don’t think the promise to sign off in return for campaign contributions would fly to well. You can promise anything, but you can’t “sell” that commitment IIRC...


22 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:53 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SaxuminMD

They are proposing a bill to allow them for hunting.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 5:16:21 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: fhayek

The Russians made a revolver which did work well with a suppressor because the cylinder locked up against the barrel on trigger pull.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 5:22:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SaxuminMD
I thought silencers were illegal in Delaware.

Delaware is a blue state they have silencers to spare.

25 posted on 02/04/2014 5:24:19 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: MHGinTN
Sounds just like something the Russians would do.
26 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:54 PM PST by fhayek
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To: aimhigh
Silencers (suppressors) do NOT make a firearm ‘silent’. A supersonic bullet cannot be silent due to its supersonic shock wave (also called a ‘ballistic crack’). Sound can be reduced by the use of subsonic ammunition, but range will be significantly decreased.

A suppressor will: 1) completely hide muzzle flash at night, but 2) will not silence the sound of the self-loader’s normal operating cycle that is obscured by the muzzle blast of a conventional gun. [A bolt action will not be as noisy as a self-loader.]

The suppressor will drop the sound of the firearm so that the sniper becomes very difficult to detect. The muffled shot defies location by those being fired upon and that is the chief advantage of the suppressor — confusing the enemy about the location of a shooter.

27 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:16 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: cripplecreek

I have two suppressors, licensed and everything. One is for .22 or .223 and the other is for .45 (but will also work for anything smaller, like .40 or even 9mm.).

Here’s the deal: you can’t silence a supersonic bullet. But when you suppress it, it becomes very difficult to determine which direction it came from.

A .22LR is subsonic from any barrel less than about 14 inches or so in length. The less powder, the less the bang and the more it can be suppressed. A regular .22LR still makes a pronounced BANG even with a suppressor, but it is quiet enough to shoot in an indoor range without hearing protection. Same with the .45. But it isn’t quiet. It’s still loud but it isn’t loud enough to cause hearing damage.

If you really want to quiet a cartridge down, it takes really soft loads that skirt just below the sound barrier, and use just enough powder to get them there.

One of the important effects of a suppressor is that it changes the nature of the gunshot sound such that it is just a softened noise that doesn’t sound so much like a gunshot anymore. It’s still a thump. But not a gunshot sound.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:21 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: fhayek
here's A YOUTUBE OF IT IN ACTION. pRETTY SLICK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

29 posted on 02/04/2014 5:38:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: aimhigh

The only downer of the story is how our legislators, the very people we entrust to enact laws that affect our very lives, are people of such low intellectual curiosity and real world experience outside their cushy desk jobs that they have to learn about suppressors like third graders on a field trip.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 5:44:55 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MHGinTN

I saw a video by Hickock45 shooting one of those revolvers it was impressive against a regular revolver!


31 posted on 02/04/2014 6:01:41 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: fhayek
I've been reading some Robert Ludlum lately. He was woefully ignorant of firearms, writing things about .357 automatics (the story was written before there was such a thing as a Desert Eagle), easing the safety off a revolver, and I believe even writing something like you said about a "silenced revolver".

Apparently he did no research about guns at all, despite how prominently they figured in his stories.

32 posted on 02/04/2014 6:16:56 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Hardastarboard

The safety on my Webley revolver is noisy, so easing it off would be impossible.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:18:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

Good idea.

...Wanna make a real big splash? I mean more money and publicity than you’d know what to do with? Do the same with approval letters under 922(o).


34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:28:30 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Lurker
"The onerous restrictions on suppressors created a serious public health issue."

You don't have to tell me about it! I'm a septuagnerian with significant hearing loss and continuous LOUD tinnitus -- from shooting un-suppressed handguns when I was in my early twenties.

35 posted on 02/04/2014 6:30:41 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: ctdonath2

Basically guarantee non-enforcement of any law relating to the home manufacture of machine guns or machine gun parts IOW?


36 posted on 02/04/2014 6:38:58 PM PST by RC one
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To: aimhigh
Completely ignorant comments from putative Fudds after the article. They could just be anti's pretending to be Fudds, but what's the difference.

No matter what, Fudds or antis: WE LOSE.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 6:40:14 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Hardastarboard
I stop reading books, and stop watching movies, when stupid gun stuff pops up.

Like the TV show "Chuck", which had so much promise because of the awesome Adam Baldwin, shows a cartoon EVERY SHOW during the intro of an ENTIRE CARTRIDGE (rim, bullet, and all) coming out of the end of a revolver.

Most TV shows have stupid gun stuff. Like the stupid "hammer cocking" sounds they play when the actor points a GLOCK at the bad guy!

Like the stupid "rack" sound they play when a SEMI-AUTOMATIC (not pump) shotgun is pointed by an actor at a bad guy!

Grates on my nerves.

38 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:05 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: MHGinTN

Called a gas seal revolver. My Mosin Nagant is one. Trigger pull on double action is like 10 or 15 lbs because it has to pull the cylinder away from the forcing cone to rotate.


39 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:42 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: RC one

Better.

Form 4 approvals. ‘86 cutoff doesn’t apply.

There is reason to believe this is happening in secret for the well-connected. Time to bring it to all law-abiding citizens.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 6:51:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Gaffer

I have one too. They are pleasant to shoot but relatively expensive.


41 posted on 02/04/2014 6:55:05 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Hardastarboard
Apparently he did no research about guns at all, despite how prominently they figured in his stories.

Those were editorial calls. They deliberately screw up gun facts across all the publishing houses. Its an open conspiracy, and they don't care who knows it. If pushed, they'll claim they're "protecting" people by making it harder for criminals to use guns. But it's obvious that the real reason is political.

42 posted on 02/04/2014 6:55:40 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: bigheadfred

One of my associates just took a case to defend a guy who had a silencer.


43 posted on 02/04/2014 7:08:05 PM PST by SaxuminMD
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To: aimhigh

Probably a good move not to use subsonic ammo.


44 posted on 02/04/2014 7:09:26 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: SaxuminMD

it is your right to remain silencer that is why you hire a mouthpiece


45 posted on 02/04/2014 7:12:02 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Ramius
Since the speed of sound is approximatelt 1129 feet per second, if I were to use a surpressor on one of my handguns, I would put a threaded barrel on my Sig P220 in .45 Auto and load it with my usual range Blazer range ammo, rated at 850 FPS.

Even some of the Cor-Bon +P runs at 1075 FPS. You still hear boom but no supersonic crack .

46 posted on 02/04/2014 7:16:08 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: ctdonath2

I know of such a case actually. It’s definitely time for our movement to take control of some sheriff’s offices. We have the numbers, all we need are some motivated individuals. Requirements to run for sheriff vary by state. In states, where the requirements are only that you get more votes than your opponent, the path is clear. In states that require formal peace officer training or other requirements that lock our movement out, we need to petition our legislators to revise the codes that stand in our way and get our people in and then we need to nullify some laws.


47 posted on 02/04/2014 7:16:10 PM PST by RC one
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To: Cobra64

True. A .45 is almost always a subsonic bullet. It does however have a large and loud powder propellant. The suppressor will quash the sound somewhat but not completely.


48 posted on 02/04/2014 7:23:05 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: MHGinTN
Hickok 45 shooting a Glock 17 loaded with 147 gr 9mm with muffler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBofwiYwGho

49 posted on 02/04/2014 7:41:16 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

I like his vid of using the Fram silencer, and the STP suppressor.


50 posted on 02/04/2014 7:44:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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