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Lindsey Graham: NSA data collection 'not Fourth Amendment' issue
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 2/12/14 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 02/13/2014 5:23:29 AM PST by cotton1706

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., panned a lawsuit against National Security Agency data collection filed by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., saying that the bulk phone data collection program does not involve the Fourth Amendment.

"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," Graham told the Washington Examiner. "It's not being used to prosecute anybody. This is an intelligence-gathering process and we'll leave it up to the courts to see if it somehow has violated the Fourth Amendment."

Paul told reporters that the program conflicts directly with the Fourth Amendment. "I just want you to go to a judge, have a person's name, and individualize their warrant," he said, explaining that he doesn't oppose spying or the National Security Agency's ability to review some phone records. "That's what the Fourth Amendment says. I'm not against going to an individual who we suspect, with a warrant, and getting their phone records, and then if they called 100 people, I'm not against looking at those people."

The lawsuit drew mixed reactions in the Senate. Virginia Democrat Tim Kaine said that the NSA program needs some curtailing, but suggested that the real problem lies with the nature of the authorization for the use of military force that provides the legal backdrop for what used to be called the war on terror.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
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To: cotton1706
Grahamnesty better get his makeup checked...

His fifteen minutes are almost up...

JMO

21 posted on 02/13/2014 5:42:01 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: cotton1706

Well Linda, if it’s not a 4th amendment issue, then what is it?


22 posted on 02/13/2014 5:43:07 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: bert

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...”

Let me ask you, do you feel secure in your papers and effects if they are being passed on to a government agency without your consent?


23 posted on 02/13/2014 5:43:37 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: BuffaloJack


In all seriousness I don't doubt that the NSA has something on Graham and others but the fact remains that an honest man cannot be blackmailed.
24 posted on 02/13/2014 5:43:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mr. K
Bulk data stored this way is useless for anything.

You are totally wrong. It is next to useless for its purported purpose - to prevent terrorism. But it is immensely effective for its actual purpose.

25 posted on 02/13/2014 5:44:52 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: bert

With respect. I spent many years working in this field. NSA activity does indeed meet the criteria of a “search.” Coloring it as “data collection” changes nothing.


26 posted on 02/13/2014 5:53:06 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: cotton1706

I think you may miss the point of my argument.

My constitutionally protected personal papers etc are not being passed. The data is not mine, not in my possession.

The data in question is owned by AT&T.

Even if I do mind, I have no legal ability to prohibit AT&T from forking up all of the data.

In the old days, I’m sure my data was actually collected. In days of old, my extensive fax and telex traffic to numerous overseas locations was routinely monitored. I never had a problem though


27 posted on 02/13/2014 5:57:39 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I think that is exactly MY point


28 posted on 02/13/2014 5:58:54 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Mr. K
I think that is exactly MY point

I see, upon rereading, that it is. My apologies for jumping for the keyboard too quickly.

29 posted on 02/13/2014 6:09:16 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: cotton1706

What lying sack o Shiite.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 6:10:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cotton1706
Follow me on this Lindsey...I (NSA) get bulk phone numbers. I take those phone numbers and look them up in Accurint (TM). Now I know where you live, your credit history, where you work, your car's registration, your political affiliation, if you have a CCW, how many homes you own, who your friends, and relatives are, where they live, etc..

Makes blackmail so easy, Lindsey. Just ask CJ John Roberts...

5.56mm

31 posted on 02/13/2014 6:12:31 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: cotton1706

FULG!


32 posted on 02/13/2014 6:18:08 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: bert

“The NSA is not warantlessly searching nor seizing the property of citizens. The NSA is collecting data amassed by third party cell phone providers.”

Sure. Like my emails.


33 posted on 02/13/2014 6:20:39 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: cotton1706

Poofter boy will go POOF!


34 posted on 02/13/2014 6:25:03 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: cotton1706

The NSA probably has pictures of Grahmnesty broken over like a shotgun. I am not comfortable with the apparent level of blackmail coming out of our corrupt capital.


35 posted on 02/13/2014 6:46:14 AM PST by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: cotton1706

It’s time for Lindsey to go.


36 posted on 02/13/2014 6:53:59 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: cotton1706

Doing the dirty work so democrats won’t have to.


37 posted on 02/13/2014 7:38:52 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: cotton1706; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

38 posted on 02/13/2014 7:53:01 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: cotton1706
"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," Graham told the Washington Examiner. "It's not being used to prosecute anybody.

Which means, of course, that after review when no link to terrorism is found the data is deleted forever, right? < /sarc >

39 posted on 02/13/2014 8:50:33 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: null and void

When will this Nancy Boy be primaried?


40 posted on 02/13/2014 8:59:33 AM PST by Nifster
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