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The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project
Wall St. Journal ^ | February 12, 2014 | Cassandra Sweet

Posted on 02/13/2014 10:48:49 PM PST by grundle

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Of course this isn’t a problem for the spotted owl...


21 posted on 02/14/2014 12:41:52 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: grundle

Wait until the next hail storm.


22 posted on 02/14/2014 12:52:10 AM PST by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: Rca2000

In 1949 a solar furnace for melting steel was built in France.


23 posted on 02/14/2014 1:10:44 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle

We should add...this French furnace in 1949...handled 50kW of power. It was a state-funded university project. You would have thought that he’d have won the Nobel Prize for stuff like this....but apparently didn’t get much publicity out of the episode. There’s also some suggestion that he really stepped on various toes of the French and European science community by building this and proving several industrial uses. Even the Wiki guys barely give him eight lines of text. He was probably sixty years ahead of his time.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 1:28:53 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: GeronL

and at a cost of ONLY $16,000 per house!


25 posted on 02/14/2014 1:40:06 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: gleeaikin

$11,111 per home?

If this puppy can keep this up for enough years, it could break even.


26 posted on 02/14/2014 2:24:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Cronos

If Darwin is correct, no changes will have to be made to the solar thermal generators, the birds will adapt and develop skins and feathers which are impervious to high temperatures.

Phoenix?


27 posted on 02/14/2014 2:34:06 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

Phoenixes? Phoenices?


28 posted on 02/14/2014 2:35:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I>And actually this doesn’t look like all that bad an idea for a solar project.

$2.2 BILLION to produce a PEAK output of 377 MW, but with only a 29% capacity factor - which translates into 110 MW (avg) power plant. That is a cost of over $20/W! Conventional power plants cost $1-2/W.

Another payoff from Obama to Google.

29 posted on 02/14/2014 2:43:15 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: raybbr

The initial capitalization of the plant isn’t the only cost there, though.

There’s also the fuel, which for this sun plant is zero.

It might or might not add up to a stunning bargain, but to dismiss it based on a one dimensional analysis is not thinking.


30 posted on 02/14/2014 2:47:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: grundle

Idiots!.....The birds are drinking the windex and choking on paper towels.


31 posted on 02/14/2014 3:04:55 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If this puppy can keep this up for enough years, it could break even.

The problem is that it can't power any homes at night, so it is mostly useful for 1/2 the year (at most) that A/C needs coincide with power generation. The rest of the time the power is not created at peak time (evening) therefore it is simply not needed since a conventional boiler can't be turned off every day and turned back on at night.

32 posted on 02/14/2014 3:20:22 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There’s also the fuel, which for this sun plant is zero.

Nope. There's O&M which for this plant is huge. Fuel for conventional plants costs money, but other O&M costs are much lower.

33 posted on 02/14/2014 3:21:59 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: grundle

Bookmark.


34 posted on 02/14/2014 4:01:45 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The problem is you also need the water and lots of it.


35 posted on 02/14/2014 4:07:10 AM PST by pas
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To: palmer

When solar panels collect dust and grime, they lose much of their effectiveness, so they must be cleaned frequently. Where, exactly, are we going to get the water needed for cleaning in the middle of the desert? And who’s going to be out there wiping down 500,000 acres of panels?

Furthermore, the more distant a source of electricity is from where it’s used, the more of it you lose during transmission, as much as 50% over 115 miles.


36 posted on 02/14/2014 4:09:45 AM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: grundle

Birds. If the wind generators don’t get them, the solar array will.


37 posted on 02/14/2014 4:11:52 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: gleeaikin
It is a $1.6 billion loan guarantee to light up 144,000 homes. If it succeeds, the loan will be repaid and the guarantee cancelled. Anybody out there that can calculate the cost benefit analysis on this?

The cost is to the lowly taxpayer. The benefit is to the Regime's politically connected friends.

38 posted on 02/14/2014 4:16:21 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: grundle

Yesterday’s thread on the topic (different news source, not duplicate)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3122668/posts

Includes some more pictures


39 posted on 02/14/2014 5:11:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GeronL
does it produce power at night?

No, but electrical power usage goes down at night. Solar in this area (Vegas) produces the most power when the AC load is the highest.

The government subsidies are the real problem, not the technology.

40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:14:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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