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When Will Social Conservatives Stop Demanding Special Rights?
Business Insider ^ | 02/14/2014 | Josh Barro

Posted on 02/14/2014 7:48:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind

This week, the Kansas House of Representatives passed House Bill 2453, "An act concerning religious freedoms with respect to marriage." Despite its name, this bill isn't about religious freedom. It's about creating new special rights (yes, those dreaded special rights) for people with anti-gay views.

The bill would protect the ability of any individual, government agency, or "religious entity" (which includes a business operated in accordance with owner's religious views) to refuse service based on sincere religious beliefs about sex or gender, and to refuse to recognize any marriage or similar arrangement for those reasons — even if such service would otherwise be required under Kansas law.

In other words, a special new right to discriminate on a particular basis.

Republicans aren't normally keen on creating special workplace rights for public employees, but this bill would let government workers refuse to do their jobs if doing so conflicted with such sincere religious views. Let's say you work for the Kansas Department for Children and Families and you don't want to process a foster care application from a same-sex couple, even though that's within the agency's policy. Or you're a police officer and you don't want to respond to a domestic abuse complaint from a same-sex couple. If this bill becomes law, that will become your right.

The bill even creates a special new employee right for anti-gay people working in the private sector. Let's say you work for a national chain supermarket with a policy against discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, and you're asked to make a cake for a gay wedding. Now, you can refuse, and your private employer "shall either promptly provide another employee to provide such service, or shall otherwise ensure that the requested service is provided, if it can be done without undue hardship

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; conservatives; freedomofreligion; gaymarriage; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; joshbarro; lavendermafia; lcr; militantatheism; rights; rino

1 posted on 02/14/2014 7:48:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Freedom of association is not a “special right.”


2 posted on 02/14/2014 7:49:52 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: GeronL

Ping.


3 posted on 02/14/2014 7:50:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for Kansas! We all know where this immorality is heading-revoking the tax exempt status of Churches that won’t marry homosexuals.


4 posted on 02/14/2014 7:50:51 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now they’re calling the First Amendment “special rights”. Turnabout is fair play, yes?


5 posted on 02/14/2014 7:51:34 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

As if discrimination were a bad thing. The Constitution is a discriminating document. Deal with it.


6 posted on 02/14/2014 7:52:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: SeekAndFind

Its not like we asked for affirmative action or anything.


7 posted on 02/14/2014 7:52:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
BI prefers its slaves to STFU and do as they are told.
8 posted on 02/14/2014 7:54:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The left is throwing monkey wrenches into good order and decency. Rebuke and ridicule are their just reward. Under no circumstances should we allow them in places of authority.


9 posted on 02/14/2014 7:54:59 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Army Air Corps

“Freedom of association is not a “special right.””

Bingo, spot on.


10 posted on 02/14/2014 7:55:32 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a GOD-GIVEN right of very basic liberty being reinforced due to corrupt judicial decisions elsewhere. Let these geeks whine while they suck each other in their highrise. Kansas does not give a damn.


11 posted on 02/14/2014 8:01:50 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

Like pro-abortion activists do successfully?


12 posted on 02/14/2014 8:04:04 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: SeekAndFind
'The bill would protect the ability of any individual, government agency, or "religious entity" (which includes a business operated in accordance with owner's religious views) to refuse service based on sincere religious beliefs about sex or gender, and to refuse to recognize any marriage or similar arrangement for those reasons — even if such service would otherwise be required under Kansas law. '

The Kansas law is absurd. We don't need more laws. We 'should' already have the ability to pick and choose who we provide service for. This law only 'provides' protection based on views toward sex, gender, marriage etc. That is a very limited amount of empowerment.

13 posted on 02/14/2014 8:06:48 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t sound like a special right to me. Sounds like they don’t want to be trapped by new special government powers that will force them to violate their conscience.


14 posted on 02/14/2014 8:10:02 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In other words, a special new right to discriminate on a particular basis.

We like to call it "FREEDOM".

15 posted on 02/14/2014 8:23:15 PM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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To: Theoria
The Kansas law is absurd. We don't need more laws. We 'should' already have the ability to pick and choose who we provide service for. This law only 'provides' protection based on views toward sex, gender, marriage etc. That is a very limited amount of empowerment.

The bill would give employees the right to refuse to serve customers their employer wants to serve. Do you really think everyone should have that right?

16 posted on 02/14/2014 8:27:21 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SeekAndFind

freedom association is a horrible thing?


17 posted on 02/14/2014 8:27:29 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Army Air Corps

*grumble*


18 posted on 02/14/2014 8:27:42 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Army Air Corps
Freedom of association is not a “special right.”

Poster AAC nails it right away.

19 posted on 02/14/2014 8:31:17 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Lurking Libertarian

If that is the case, then I’m mistaken.


20 posted on 02/14/2014 8:37:22 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, the writer has it backwards - the bill protects the rights of proprietors to run their businesses the way they think best for the enterprise and themselves, and not to be subject to the special interests and demands of certain chosen and preferred minorities - it avoids the imposition of special rights for special people.....


21 posted on 02/14/2014 8:57:21 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SeekAndFind

We have a God given authority for those “special rights.”


22 posted on 02/14/2014 9:12:18 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (Unite in the primary to unseat RINOs...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I didn’t know Business Insider did satire.


23 posted on 02/14/2014 9:31:19 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, it’s a special right when those who demand special rights are denied same? In other words, it’s the typical leftist view of the world as a zero sum game.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 9:58:06 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: SeekAndFind

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25 posted on 02/14/2014 10:50:08 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The bill would protect the ability of any individual, government agency, or “religious entity” (which includes a business operated in accordance with owner’s religious views) to refuse service based on sincere religious beliefs about sex or gender

No not going to allow you to get away with this. The special “rights” are those wanted by the homosexuals to force people to be accepting of an participatant of their perversions. Our rights to freely practice our religion were inshrined in the Constitution. You think the founders wanted homosexuals to marry? Yeah right.........-


26 posted on 02/14/2014 10:52:09 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s say you work for the Kansas Department for Children and Families and you don’t want to process a foster care application from a same-sex couple,

There is no way in hell I would ever give a child to homosexuals. I am an adoptee and THANK GOD that did not happen to me.......... I would gladly walk away from the job before I subjected a child to that abuse......


27 posted on 02/14/2014 10:55:28 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: SeekAndFind

This Kansas law needs enforcement; the Sheriff in the county where a federal judge rules against it needs to evict that judge from the state of Kansas. How will a handful of Marshals stand against the county sheriff and the Kansas State Patrol?

A spark is needed. Bring it.


28 posted on 02/14/2014 11:54:50 PM PST by bakeneko
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To: SeekAndFind

The right to discrimnate is the right to free association. It is wholly constitutional and is the epitome of freedom. The converse of it is what we’ve been living in for the last 4 decades.


29 posted on 02/15/2014 3:51:12 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: bakeneko

Why does Kansas seem to be the only courageous state here? They should be leading a train of states in similar laws.


30 posted on 02/15/2014 3:52:54 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“When Will Social Conservatives Stop Demanding Special Rights?”

When will Illegals stop demanding special rights from a government that isn’t theirs?


31 posted on 02/15/2014 4:02:34 AM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crused it. -M. Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

All businesses and services have an absolute God-given human right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or with no reason at all. When anyone objects to such a decision, all individuals have an absolute God-given human right to refuse to do business with that particular business or person for any reason or with no reason at all. There should be no government involvement in such choices/squabbles.

32 posted on 02/15/2014 4:03:45 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Paulie

Josh Barro is using this column to attack social conservatives. Barro is openly gay, supports gay marriage (there goes religious freedom!), an atheist, appears on MSNBC, is praised by David Brooks and is reportedly one of Obama’s favorite columnists.

Josh Barro hates social conservatives.


33 posted on 02/15/2014 4:18:29 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: SeekAndFind

Josh Barro sounds like a twink...


34 posted on 02/15/2014 5:07:18 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Social Conservatives???? There is no such thing!

There are social Republicans and there are traitorous Republicans and there timid and meek Republicans but the word “conservative” doesn’t exist with the word “Social.”


35 posted on 02/15/2014 5:16:26 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: SeekAndFind
In other words, a special new right to discriminate on a particular basis.

Understand this, Josh:

No matter how effectively you faggots manage to further debase the American legal system*, your perversion will always be despised by the vast majority of mankind.


             ALWAYS


*(if that's possible)

36 posted on 02/15/2014 5:50:34 AM PST by tomkat
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Business Insider was a conservative site, but no more. How can you oppose protecting anyone from not having to bow down to homosexual demands! I just shows that while you can be some sort of conservative and not be a Christian, you cannot be a true Christian and not be a conservative.


37 posted on 02/15/2014 3:54:03 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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