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Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths
NBCNews ^ | February 15th 2014 | BILL BRIGGS

Posted on 02/15/2014 11:35:27 PM PST by South40

DDuring each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

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To: Atlas Sneezed

Ummm...simple logic would tell you that being stoned impairs your ability to drive. And since it is virtually undetectable, they have little fear of getting caught.


41 posted on 02/16/2014 6:14:18 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Look at this study:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/bchansen/MML_Alcohol_Consumption.pdf

It looks like VERY responsible science and statistics. It explains:
“[unlike alcohol] neither simulator nor driving-course studies provide consistent evidence that these [marijuana] impairments to driving-related functions lead to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009)”

And Figure 2 on page 55 tells the whole story.


42 posted on 02/16/2014 6:34:51 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Can you tell me which states the author was referring to? I’m quite sure CO is the first state to legalize, so the facts you are referring to may be made up ‘facts’.


The study, from a respected CONSERVATIVE legal journal is linked above. It is about the effects of a medical marijuana law reform. 17 states implemented such laws, and the control group are the remaining states. This appears to be responsible science.


43 posted on 02/16/2014 6:38:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: I want the USA back

Because a head-in-rectum public allowed laws to be passed to make this stuff “legal” the same public is reluctant to admit that their stupidity led to accidents.

It was predictable! Anybody with a functioning brain could have known.


Except that the data are contrary to the headline and to your assumptions:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/bchansen/MML_Alcohol_Consumption.pdf


44 posted on 02/16/2014 6:40:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: AppyPappy

Ummm...simple logic would tell you that being stoned impairs your ability to drive.


Yes, simplistic logic tells you that. But if you read the study, they report:
“Laboratory studies have shown that cannabis use impairs driving-related functions such as distance perception, reaction time, and hand-eye coordination (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). However, neither simulator nor driving-course studies provide consistent evidence that these impairments to driving-related functions lead to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009) perhaps because drivers under the influence of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive substance in marijuana, engage in compensatory behaviors such as reducing their velocity, avoiding risky maneuvers, and increasing their “following distances” (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009).
Like marijuana, alcohol impairs driving-related functions such as reaction time and hand-eye coordination (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). Moreover, simulator and driving-course studies provide unequivocal evidence that alcohol consumption leads to an increased risk of collision (Kelly et al. 2004; Sewell et al. 2009). Even at low doses, drivers under the influence of alcohol tend to underestimate the degree to which they are impaired (MacDonald et al. 2008; Marczinski et al. 2008; Robbe and O’Hanlon 1993; Sewell et al. 2009), drive at faster speeds, and take more risks (Burian et al. 2002; Ronen et al. 2008; Sewell et al. 2009). When used in conjunction with marijuana, alcohol appears to have an “additive or even multiplicative” effect on driving-related functions (Sewell et al. 2009, p. 186), although chronic marijuana users may be less impaired by alcohol than infrequent users (Jones and Stone 1970; Marks and MacAvoy 1989; Wright and Terry 2002).4

Yet the study isn’t advocating, and concludes (with rare scientific restraint):

“However, because other mechanisms cannot be ruled out, the negative relationship between medical marijuana laws and alcohol-related traffic fatalities does not necessarily imply that driving under the influence of marijuana is safer than driving under the influence of alcohol. For instance, it is possible that legalizing medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through its effect on substance use in public. Alcohol is often consumed in restaurants and bars, while many states prohibit the use of medical marijuana in public.35 Even where it is not explicitly prohibited, anecdotal evidence suggests that public use of medical marijuana can be controversial.36 If marijuana consumption typically takes place at home, then designating a driver for the trip back from a restaurant or bar becomes unnecessary, and legalization could reduce traffic fatalities even if driving under the influence of marijuana is every bit as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol.”


45 posted on 02/16/2014 6:44:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: South40

the entire drug issue can be solved right here..www.fhu.com
Period.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 6:48:32 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: South40

Never met a stoner I could trust.


47 posted on 02/16/2014 7:34:35 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: AppyPappy
"being stoned impairs your ability to drive"

For sure, it makes it a lot easier to get lost.

Dang, I spaced out and forgot to turn back there.

48 posted on 02/16/2014 7:37:38 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: South40
Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one.

Oh Honey, tens of thousands can be killed and they still won't take it seriously.

49 posted on 02/16/2014 8:08:41 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Veggie Todd

You didn’t read the study, did you?

It appears that the stoners are smoking instead of drinking now, r may even just be staying home instead of going to bars.

The best information shows that relaxing pot laws makes the rest of us SAFER.


50 posted on 02/16/2014 8:16:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: NVDave

Only one problem with your “solution”-—what about the innocent non-druggie people they kill along with themselves? I have long wondered about the people in the lanes on either side of me when the lanes were especially narrow, curved, or the weather demanded top driving skills. If they were in any way impaired, they could cause harm to me, a decided NON-druggie, and others who never smoked, drank, etc.


51 posted on 02/16/2014 9:39:17 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Maybe they so blissed out they never leave their driveway, man.


52 posted on 02/16/2014 11:26:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

CO and WA were the first to make recreational use legal, but 20 states have legalized medical marijuana. In most it’s easy to get it. That’s what they’re talking about.


53 posted on 02/16/2014 11:46:20 AM PST by Hugin
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To: EinNYC

To quote Mary Shafer, an engineer who used to fly in one of the last SR-71’s in operation,

“Perfect safety is for those who don’t have the balls to live in the real world.”

You have to deal with all manner of hazards on the road. Always have, always will.

The “drug war” has been an expensive failure, both in terms of money and in terms of civil liberties. The number of people who have been killed in their own homes, without cause, by police pretending that they’re taking down a “drug dealer” is now reaching absurd levels.

I’ll deal with the druggies on the road every day if it means that we can fire half the police in the nation and forever prohibit no-knock warrants and SWAT raids on nothing more than drug informant information.


54 posted on 02/16/2014 1:34:34 PM PST by NVDave
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To: JSDude1

You’re on the roads with them right now.

The mythology that prohibition of some substance that people want to ingest will result in its disappearance is one of the myths that takes the longest to die in “conservative” circles.

I’d like the dopers to simply die. And the alcoholics too. Give them all they can consume, dig a hole, wait for them to do themselves in, toss them in the pre-dug hole and call it good. Leave the rest of us who aren’t afflicted with dependencies alone, starting by firing half of all police in the nation and prohibiting the rest of them from forming “SWAT” teams.


55 posted on 02/16/2014 1:39:45 PM PST by NVDave
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Are there similar measures of what too stoned to drive is?


The study says that research has a hard time showing impairment compared to alcohol.


56 posted on 02/16/2014 3:22:15 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: EinNYC

Only one problem with your “solution”-—what about the innocent non-druggie people they kill along with themselves?


Read the study. It appears that fewer innocents are killed when pot is permitted (either the stoners stay home instead of going out to bars, or are safer when stoned than when they used to be drunk.)


57 posted on 02/16/2014 3:40:31 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: NVDave

We have a phrase for that up here.

We call it a “safety meeting”.

You see, if nobody moves, nobody gets hurt.

Not much gets done, but we’re all “safe”.

At least until we have to go out to our ride home...

(If you can’t see the sarcasm, you’re not worth responding to.)


58 posted on 02/16/2014 9:55:20 PM PST by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: riverrunner

For most people, freedom includes the opportunity to get groceries without having to dodge another brainless potsmoker at every intersection.


59 posted on 02/16/2014 10:22:09 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: South40

All drugs are pushed on American society by Marxists and other subversives who know and understand how to use drugs as chemical warfare.

To pot lovers on this thread and elsewhere I say—try a little harder to understand when you’ve been suckered.


60 posted on 02/16/2014 10:30:57 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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