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The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map
Zero Hedge ^ | 2.20.14 | Tyler Garn

Posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion

Sadly, everything you need to know about the crisis in Ukraine in one worrisome map which summarizes all the relevant "red lines."

Given this - is there any doubt this will not end with peaceful resolution.

As Martin Armstrong warned this morning:

BOTH the USA and EU will now fund the rebels as Russia will fund Yanukovych. At the political level, Ukraine is the pawn on the chessboard. The propaganda war is East v West. However, those power plays are masking the core issue that began with the Orange Revolution – corruption. Yanukovych is a dictator who will NEVER leave office. It is simple as that. There will be no REAL elections again in Ukraine. This is starting to spiral down into a confrontation that the entire world cannot ignore.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; freedom; nwo; russia; soros; ukraine; yanukovych
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Some insight about why Russia is interested in controlling Ukraine...
1 posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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2 posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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I hate to say this as I would like others to be free, but the USA needs to steer well clear of this. It has the same potential to start a MAJOR conflict as killing Arch Duke Ferdinand. We should not be funding rebel groups anywhere, especially when we have a total beta metro-sexual in the White House.

Looking weak and sounding weak while playing hardball with Putin could be fatal for lots of folks.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 4:39:32 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Would the illegal Libyan war have anything to do with this? Europe wanted to secure another source of oil. Therefore, they will have something to run on, while they split the Ukraine?


4 posted on 02/20/2014 4:40:10 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

ShepNewsTeam ✔ @ShepNewsTeam STUNNING PIC: #Priest prays between police & protesters in #Ukraine. Nearly 70 people have died today in the violence 12:35 PM - 20 Feb 2014

5 posted on 02/20/2014 4:41:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Gen.Blather

“We should not be funding rebel groups anywhere, especially when we have a total beta metro-sexual in the White House.”

Zero the metro is not respected as a leader here or abroad. Putin has rubbed Obama’s face in every world conflict. I think we know Obama’s weakness has invited conflicts like this.

Martin Armstrong thinks Putin will move into Ukraine after the Olympics close.


6 posted on 02/20/2014 4:42:01 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I remember when Ukraine traded back some Tupelov TU-160 (B-1ski) bombers to Russia for forgiving gas debts.


7 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:46 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Gen.Blather

They were showing the people being shot by snipers on either side.

I was thinking of Detroit and how easily it could happen here and how horrifying it was for people over there.


8 posted on 02/20/2014 4:44:50 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Martin Armstrong thinks Putin will move into Ukraine after the Olympics close.”

That’s my bet.


9 posted on 02/20/2014 4:46:33 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The rebels are descendants of the same nationalist organization that initially welcomed the Nazis into Ukraine and helped them slaughter 1.5 million Jews. After the Nazis no longer found them useful, they were sent to the gulags and/or executed.

Stepan Bandera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OUN

Ukrainian Insurgent Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

Declaration of Ukrainian Independence, 1941
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Ukrainian_statehood,_1941

Ukrainian collaborationism with the Axis powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers

Who Was Stepan Bandera?
http://hnn.us/article/122778


10 posted on 02/20/2014 4:49:30 PM PST by jimbo123
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11 posted on 02/20/2014 4:52:05 PM PST by RedMDer
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Even if we had the means - financial and military - to get involved in this, we have absolutely no business doing so. Two world wars in the last hundred years wasn’t enough? One more would very likely destroy the world as we know it. Neutrality and weakness are not the same thing. If you have no dog in the fight the worst thing you can do is run out and buy yourself a dog.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 4:52:12 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Nice Catch AMPU!


13 posted on 02/20/2014 4:54:57 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: beelzepug

“If you have no dog in the fight the worst thing you can do is run out and buy yourself a dog.”

Was there a war that wasn’t started by Democrats? (Even the Civil War, though I think Lincoln should have let the South go. Slavery could not have stood much longer.)


14 posted on 02/20/2014 4:58:49 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

That I am starting to think also. Once the Sochi games are done, the Russians will come right in.


15 posted on 02/20/2014 4:58:59 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: castlegreyskull

You are on the right track, it is about shipping oil from Russia to Western Europe, the banks that the payments flow through.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 5:02:30 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The map explains the Russian interests (or at least partly), but not the “Ukraine Situation”.

A map showing the concentrations of religious affiliations would go further: the anti-Yanukovych protestors are mostly Uniates or affiliated with the (arguably uncanonical) “Ukranian Orthodox Church” which Constantinople is backing against Moscow, while Yanukovych’s electoral support mostly came from Orthodox who are under the Moscow Patriarchate (and happy to be under the Moscow Patriarchate, else they’d have gone with Constantinople).


17 posted on 02/20/2014 5:02:42 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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“Martin Armstrong thinks Putin will move into Ukraine after the Olympics close.

For Russian interests, they better. For Ukraine, they better not. The big U could put a stranglehold on these pipelines and deny the Ruskies this chokehold.

18 posted on 02/20/2014 5:05:50 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Consider this like a very, very messy divorce.


19 posted on 02/20/2014 5:08:49 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Priest prays between police & protesters

Can you say "photoshop"? sure you can........

20 posted on 02/20/2014 5:09:47 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Can you say "fools rush in!" ?


21 posted on 02/20/2014 5:14:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Biggirl

Consider this like a very, very messy divorce.


The innocent people suffering the most, like children do.


22 posted on 02/20/2014 5:15:29 PM PST by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Remember when some media type asked Romney what concerned him in future foreign policy issues and he said our challenge from Russia? He was roundly ridiculed. No wonder the media isn’t recalling this exchange now, as our failed president flounders on the banks of incoherence once again.


23 posted on 02/20/2014 5:16:15 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Revolting cat!

These clergy are couragous to say it best.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 5:18:26 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ukrainian kleptocrats and their families have fat bank accounts in the West, where they frequently vacation. I hope that the EU sanctions freeze those assets and deny visas to them. That’s something that the US can do as well.


25 posted on 02/20/2014 5:19:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Spain - July - 1936ish - ring any bells? In a sorta-kinda way, this could be a proving ground for worse conflict in the years to come.


26 posted on 02/20/2014 5:21:45 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Would Shep lie to us?


27 posted on 02/20/2014 5:21:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: VRW Conspirator

“For Russian interests, they better. For Ukraine, they better not. The big U could put a stranglehold on these pipelines and deny the Ruskies this chokehold. “

This is the difference between lawful countries and lawless countries. Until Obama the US was much more lawful. During the Civil War the Union approached Smith and Wesson for rear loading pistols in .44 and .45 calibers. S&W held the rear loading patent and had been awarded thousands upon thousands of .32 caliber pistols made by competitors who stole their patent. (Early on, they could only draw bras to .32 caliber. But by the Civil War they’d solved that problem.) S&W said, sure, but first you have to buy all these .32 caliber pistols. The US Army said, no, you can’t knock a man off a horse. So Smith and Wesson sat out the Civil war, which was fought with front loading Colts and Remingtons.

The Russians would have simply stolen the design and produced it. (They still steal and produce stolen designs.)

(Okay, donning pith helmet and ducking below my stone wall. ‘Cause you guys can’t hit an elephant from...)


28 posted on 02/20/2014 5:26:29 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: jimbo123

the east west tug of war - between Russia in the east and anyone and everyone in the west - on the Ukraine and its manifestations inside the Ukraine did not begin with any time in the modern era, it goes back centuries

those centuries of conflict and division have left their marks all over the culture in Ukraine, in the demographic divisions and makeip of Ukraine, and in the continued uplifting of the scars of the past


29 posted on 02/20/2014 5:27:40 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Hot Tabasco

No. Not photoshopped. There are many pictures and eye-witness accounts of groups of Orthodox priests (by their vestments all three of the men in the photo are priests — the epitrachilion, a stole sewed together down the front, is part of a priest’s vestments and is the only part worn when the priest is serving a service at which the Eucharist is not celebrated) interposing themselves between the protestors and the riot police.

Interestingly in the first accounts I read, the priests were specifically identified as being from the Moscow Patriarchate, rather than Constantinople’s territory-poaching “Ukrainian Orthodox Church”.


30 posted on 02/20/2014 5:27:40 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Wuli

It goes back earlier than the days of Atilla the Hun.


31 posted on 02/20/2014 5:31:46 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

yes, raw material resources for energy from Russia to western Europe account for about 1/3 of each - coal, oil and natural gas - imported to western Europe from Russia

small glitches in the deliveries can have big economic glitches in western Europe

western Europe will not go too far in supporting the oppisition in Ukraine, they want to keep their lights on


Reagan warned western Europe about the precarious energy security situation they were getting into with Russia, when it started before the end of the Soviet Union - no one listened


32 posted on 02/20/2014 5:32:18 PM PST by Wuli
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Any of the electoral maps will tell you a lot as well. Here's one from ten years ago (things haven't changed much):

Apart from the area around Kiev in the middle, Ukraine is a sharply divided country.

Probably, they should have let Russia have the Crimean Peninsula in the south and the Donets Basin in the east.

33 posted on 02/20/2014 5:33:21 PM PST by x
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There you go...a bunch of kids fighting for their lives and fighting for freedom from oppressive rule.

The best you can do i call them Nazis?

Idiot.


34 posted on 02/20/2014 5:36:48 PM PST by KOZ.
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TYPO:
The best you can do is call them Nazis?


35 posted on 02/20/2014 5:37:28 PM PST by KOZ.
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I don’t see Russia moving into Ukraine. Other than Russia, Ukraine is the largest country in Europe. It’s roughly the size of Texas. It has an army and a small navy. Ukraine is not Georgia. The Russian Black Sea fleet is based at Sevastopol. They don’t want to lose that base.

Disrupting the natural gas flow to Europe is a sure way to get other countries involved. Ukrainian units served beside us in Iraq. They held their own. Ukraine would not be a push over even if the eastern part of the country is pro Russian. The western part is very mountainous. Good luck with that.

Plus it would be very bad for business meaning the oligarchs would take their political power elsewhere. And Putin is not stupid. You can bet he won’t pull an Obama. The EU wasn’t the one that came up with money to help Ukraine. The intransigence of the EU was a big part of the reason the agreement wasn’t signed. Russia can get what it wants via the purse strings.


36 posted on 02/20/2014 5:39:40 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Biggirl
This is tonight (early Friday there.)


37 posted on 02/20/2014 5:43:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: KOZ.

He’s on almost every one of these threads spearing the same half-baked crap.

Svoboda /= OUN

Period.


38 posted on 02/20/2014 5:44:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Revolting cat!

Again, God Bless those clergy, couragous folks.


39 posted on 02/20/2014 5:49:26 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gen.Blather

“Was there a war that wasn’t started by Democrats?”

Well.......................................................................no.


40 posted on 02/20/2014 5:49:48 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: KOZ.

I said their predecessors collaborated with the Nazis until Hitler no longer found them useful. And they were collaborators in the deaths of 1.5 million Jews whom they blamed for the Soviet revolution. And they fought everyone, Russians, Poles, Germans, Czech, Poles. The are a militant nationalist organization and if you look at the flags they are flying, they are flying their Jew killing flags from WWII.


41 posted on 02/20/2014 5:50:44 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

42 posted on 02/20/2014 5:51:21 PM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Dead Corpse

It is quite interesting, whenever there is conflict in Ukraine, the Russians show up on Free Republic to protect their dictatorships, one by one they end up getting banned and find new names. And of course they are too chickenshit to respond. Typical.


43 posted on 02/20/2014 5:51:55 PM PST by KOZ.
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To: jimbo123

The flags are flags of Independence.

They are fighting against a dictatorship...can you understand that? They are standing up to snipers and APCs because they are sick of the Russians.

Can you understand that?


44 posted on 02/20/2014 5:53:37 PM PST by KOZ.
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To: VRW Conspirator

“Nice Catch AMPU!

thanks!


45 posted on 02/20/2014 5:55:38 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: beelzepug

Gulf War and the GWOT. Short memory?


46 posted on 02/20/2014 5:57:16 PM PST by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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good post


47 posted on 02/20/2014 5:57:46 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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What you say is true. There were 100,000 Poles murdered by Ukrainian nationalists Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in 1943-44. Women, babies, seniors, priests. But shhhh, the West doesn’t want to hear about it, there is only one Holocaust. Still, today the ultra-nationalists in Kiev waving the red and black Bandera flags (Blood & Earth!) are only one of the groups in Maidan.


48 posted on 02/20/2014 5:58:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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The Lvov pogrom of 1941.

Below is a serie of photos of the Lvov pogrom of 1941. The Jewish pogrom in the city of Lvov (Lviv, Lwow orLemberg) in Western Ukraine was organised by the Germans and “the Ukrainian people’s militia” (the Ukranian Nazi collaborators from so called OUN - Organisation of Ukranian Nationalists). The pogrom took place the first days of German occupation as a prelude to total extermination of Lvov Jews.

On the photos below - the scenes of street violence, beatings by stones, sticks, humiliation of women by public undressing, the humilation in the form of washing sidewalks, marches on the knees and with hands up across the city, the scenes of brutal arrests of Jews in the streets by Ukranian Nazi militia, which escorted them to forced works in former NKVD prisons in the city. In those prisons after various beatings and humilations they were shot dead in the courtyards. The total number of victims of the pogrom estimated to be between 2 and 7 thousands people. .

http://oun-b.livejournal.com/14552.html


49 posted on 02/20/2014 6:00:17 PM PST by jimbo123
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The same Jew from the photo above is forced to kiss a statue of Lenin. One of the pogromists - in Ukraninan national shirt with decorative pattern ("vyshyvanka").
50 posted on 02/20/2014 6:03:09 PM PST by jimbo123
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