Posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
Sadly, everything you need to know about the crisis in Ukraine in one worrisome map which summarizes all the relevant "red lines."
Given this - is there any doubt this will not end with peaceful resolution.
As Martin Armstrong warned this morning:
BOTH the USA and EU will now fund the rebels as Russia will fund Yanukovych. At the political level, Ukraine is the pawn on the chessboard. The propaganda war is East v West. However, those power plays are masking the core issue that began with the Orange Revolution – corruption. Yanukovych is a dictator who will NEVER leave office. It is simple as that. There will be no REAL elections again in Ukraine. This is starting to spiral down into a confrontation that the entire world cannot ignore.
Consider this like a very, very messy divorce.
Remember when some media type asked Romney what concerned him in future foreign policy issues and he said our challenge from Russia? He was roundly ridiculed. No wonder the media isn’t recalling this exchange now, as our failed president flounders on the banks of incoherence once again.
These clergy are couragous to say it best.
Ukrainian kleptocrats and their families have fat bank accounts in the West, where they frequently vacation. I hope that the EU sanctions freeze those assets and deny visas to them. That’s something that the US can do as well.
Spain - July - 1936ish - ring any bells? In a sorta-kinda way, this could be a proving ground for worse conflict in the years to come.
Would Shep lie to us?
“For Russian interests, they better. For Ukraine, they better not. The big U could put a stranglehold on these pipelines and deny the Ruskies this chokehold. “
This is the difference between lawful countries and lawless countries. Until Obama the US was much more lawful. During the Civil War the Union approached Smith and Wesson for rear loading pistols in .44 and .45 calibers. S&W held the rear loading patent and had been awarded thousands upon thousands of .32 caliber pistols made by competitors who stole their patent. (Early on, they could only draw bras to .32 caliber. But by the Civil War they’d solved that problem.) S&W said, sure, but first you have to buy all these .32 caliber pistols. The US Army said, no, you can’t knock a man off a horse. So Smith and Wesson sat out the Civil war, which was fought with front loading Colts and Remingtons.
The Russians would have simply stolen the design and produced it. (They still steal and produce stolen designs.)
(Okay, donning pith helmet and ducking below my stone wall. ‘Cause you guys can’t hit an elephant from...)
the east west tug of war - between Russia in the east and anyone and everyone in the west - on the Ukraine and its manifestations inside the Ukraine did not begin with any time in the modern era, it goes back centuries
those centuries of conflict and division have left their marks all over the culture in Ukraine, in the demographic divisions and makeip of Ukraine, and in the continued uplifting of the scars of the past
No. Not photoshopped. There are many pictures and eye-witness accounts of groups of Orthodox priests (by their vestments all three of the men in the photo are priests — the epitrachilion, a stole sewed together down the front, is part of a priest’s vestments and is the only part worn when the priest is serving a service at which the Eucharist is not celebrated) interposing themselves between the protestors and the riot police.
Interestingly in the first accounts I read, the priests were specifically identified as being from the Moscow Patriarchate, rather than Constantinople’s territory-poaching “Ukrainian Orthodox Church”.
It goes back earlier than the days of Atilla the Hun.
yes, raw material resources for energy from Russia to western Europe account for about 1/3 of each - coal, oil and natural gas - imported to western Europe from Russia
small glitches in the deliveries can have big economic glitches in western Europe
western Europe will not go too far in supporting the oppisition in Ukraine, they want to keep their lights on
Reagan warned western Europe about the precarious energy security situation they were getting into with Russia, when it started before the end of the Soviet Union - no one listened
Apart from the area around Kiev in the middle, Ukraine is a sharply divided country.
Probably, they should have let Russia have the Crimean Peninsula in the south and the Donets Basin in the east.
There you go...a bunch of kids fighting for their lives and fighting for freedom from oppressive rule.
The best you can do i call them Nazis?
Idiot.
TYPO:
The best you can do is call them Nazis?
I don’t see Russia moving into Ukraine. Other than Russia, Ukraine is the largest country in Europe. It’s roughly the size of Texas. It has an army and a small navy. Ukraine is not Georgia. The Russian Black Sea fleet is based at Sevastopol. They don’t want to lose that base.
Disrupting the natural gas flow to Europe is a sure way to get other countries involved. Ukrainian units served beside us in Iraq. They held their own. Ukraine would not be a push over even if the eastern part of the country is pro Russian. The western part is very mountainous. Good luck with that.
Plus it would be very bad for business meaning the oligarchs would take their political power elsewhere. And Putin is not stupid. You can bet he won’t pull an Obama. The EU wasn’t the one that came up with money to help Ukraine. The intransigence of the EU was a big part of the reason the agreement wasn’t signed. Russia can get what it wants via the purse strings.
He’s on almost every one of these threads spearing the same half-baked crap.
Svoboda /= OUN
Period.
Again, God Bless those clergy, couragous folks.
“Was there a war that wasn’t started by Democrats?”
Well.......................................................................no.
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