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Can We Save the Soul of the GOP?
Townhall.com ^ | Feb 22, 2014 | Steve Deace

Posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem

The “Republican” brand is severely tarnished.

Currently just 25% of Americans identify themselves as “Republicans.” On the other hand, 38% of Americans identify themselves as “conservative,” which is more than any other ideological group by 15 points.

These numbers are prompting a national conversation about how to “save the soul of the Republican Party” among conservatives, or if the party is still worth saving at all.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; election; gop; soul
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To: sargon

Then you would agree with this.

“You already have the libertarian and democrat party if you are a social liberal, conservatives will continue to fight to keep the GOP a conservative party, in fact more so, we are trying to turn it right, not left, as you are.”

Instead you label a conservatism that is liberal compared to 1960s America, as “”right-wing authoritarianism””.

Your position is supporting the left, and denigrating conservatism.


61 posted on 02/23/2014 2:13:17 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: arderkrag

Your inability, or unwillingness to explain yourself, is your problem, not others.


62 posted on 02/23/2014 2:14:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

I’ve been very clear in my self-explanation. You simply don’t WANT to understand.


63 posted on 02/23/2014 2:19:46 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: ansel12

Those aren’t liberties; those are targets for conservative Republicans at the state level of government.

How else do you think we are to recognize whether they are conservative, or not?


64 posted on 02/23/2014 2:20:08 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

You described them as “liberties”.

Just as you claimed that the GOP in the 1850s, “” promised not to get involved in social matters.””.

You also seem to think that slavery was illegal according to the constitution, which would be a surprise to the slave owners writing it.


65 posted on 02/23/2014 2:28:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SatinDoll
Originally, back in the 1850s, they promised not to get involved in social matters.

You made that up, most of what you post on this thread is made up>

You are clearly supporting federal recognition of gay marriage, abortion, and polygamy, as long as a state somewhere supports it.

The feds have to make decisions on those issues also, that is why congress decided on marriage laws at the federal level for the military in 1780, 1784, 1798, 1802, in other words, the original Congress, they have to decide on abortion law on military bases, they have marriage law regarding immigration and federal employment, etc.

Slavery and the female vote weren't listed in the Constitution, and neither is abortion, at least not yet.

66 posted on 02/23/2014 2:29:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

YOU ARE A LIBERAL TROLL.

YOUR WHOLE PURPOSE HERE ON FREE REPUBLIC IS NOT TO DEBATE BUT TO PUT DOWN TRUE CONSERVATIVES AND AID THE PROGRESSIVES IN DEFEATING TRUE CONSERVATIVES.


67 posted on 02/23/2014 3:31:33 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: ansel12
Your position is supporting the left, and denigrating conservatism.

The only thing I denigrate is authoritarianism, and there is plenty of that on the left and right. The left certainly has no monopoly in it...

68 posted on 02/23/2014 3:41:13 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: SatinDoll

Just read post 66 and respond to it, and this isn’t a site to debate with social liberals who want to support abortion and the homosexual agenda, and keep moving the GOP left.


69 posted on 02/23/2014 3:42:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: sargon

No, since we can never become as conservative as America was before the 1960s, you clearly dislike traditional America, and then you continue the fight to move us left, by attacking the diluted conservatism of today, as “authoritarianism” even while we try to fight an authoritarian left which is close to total victory as marriage is destroyed, abortion routine, gays are marrying in the military, immigration is way beyond out of control, and all the rest of the left’s dreams and goals are being realized.


70 posted on 02/23/2014 4:15:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

I don’t do any of those things you accuse me of, and nothing I have said indicates otherwise...


71 posted on 02/23/2014 4:20:59 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: arderkrag

No, you haven’t been clear at all, you have been rambling and confused.


72 posted on 02/23/2014 4:21:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: sargon

If you aren’t, then why did you start posting at me with a bizarre statement, bringing up out of the blue, “Replacing left-wing authoritarianism with right-wing authoritarianism is not the answer.”


73 posted on 02/23/2014 4:29:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12
I say what I say that because I believe that the left-right political spectrum is a false framework. The Left sees the Right as the Enemy and the Right sees the Left as the Enemy.

Tyranny is the true enemy, and my experience has shown me that it can come from either side of of the establishment's handy-dandy fake political landscape.

74 posted on 02/23/2014 5:36:06 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: sargon

One thing about the social liberals, they can talk in circles for days.

Fine, you and I and conservatives, are all against totalitarianism, you sure have a strange way of pointing that out, so strange that I still don’t think you are explaining why you leaped out with that bizarre post at me.

No one had brought up totalitarianism except you, yet out of the blue, you posted this “Replacing left-wing authoritarianism with right-wing authoritarianism is not the answer.” which had nothing to do with this thread.


75 posted on 02/23/2014 5:42:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12
I am not a social liberal; I simply don't automatically equate the Right holding power as any guarantee of Liberty, and I certainly know the same is true regarding the Left.

That is my historical perspective.

76 posted on 02/23/2014 6:02:02 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: sargon

Who knows what you are trying to say, you don’t want the left, and you don’t want the economic right holding power.

What about American history convinced you that economic conservatives are the threat?


77 posted on 02/23/2014 6:19:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SatinDoll

This is very probably true. Only a troll would associate being against a social issues platform as equivalent to being pro-abortion.


78 posted on 02/23/2014 6:34:55 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: sargon
Tyranny is the true enemy, and my experience has shown me that it can come from either side of of the establishment's handy-dandy fake political landscape.

Well, yes. This shows you have a proper grasp of reality, unlike the delusional person you're trying to argue with.
79 posted on 02/23/2014 6:36:25 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: sargon
Tyranny is the true enemy, and my experience has shown me that it can come from either side of of the establishment's handy-dandy fake political landscape.

Well, yes. This shows you have a proper grasp of reality, unlike the delusional person you're trying to argue with.
80 posted on 02/23/2014 6:36:26 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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