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Ted Cruz: 'Vague Threats' Not Enough; Suspend Russian G8 Membership Now
Breitbart ^ | 1 Mar 2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 03/02/2014 7:00:47 AM PST by SoConPubbie

On February 28th, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) reacted to President Obama's "hastily arranged" speech against Russian military intervention in the Ukraine by saying the U.S. needs to suspend "Russian membership in the Group of Eight (G8)," and we need to do so "immediately."

He made it clear that mere words and "the President's vague threats" are not enough because mere "appeals to international norms" hold no sway over Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Moreoever, Cruz said international norms mean even less than usual to Putin "when they run counter to his goal of re-establishing Soviet-style regional hegemony over unfortunate states like Georgia and Ukraine who have the temerity to want a more free, prosperous future for their people."

Cruz said the U.S. must suspend Russian membership in the G8. If that doesn't give Putin pause, he added, suspensions from "the World Trade Organization and even the United Nations Security Council" should be pursued.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cruz; obama; putin; russia; soros; tedcruz; texas; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

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1 posted on 03/02/2014 7:00:48 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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2 posted on 03/02/2014 7:01:24 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Nice idea, Ted. But I don’t think the U.S. alone can just suspend membership


3 posted on 03/02/2014 7:04:16 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: SoConPubbie

obammy ain’t gonna do squat.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 7:05:48 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: SoConPubbie
Cruz said the U.S. must suspend Russian membership in the G8.

What gives the U.S. the authority to suspend Russian membership?

5 posted on 03/02/2014 7:06:53 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: nuconvert

Germany won’t allow it.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 7:07:14 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: SoConPubbie

It’s true that Obama’s clueless weakness is damaging our reputation. But, I hate to say it, the trouble began when the terrorists George Soros had funded overthrew the President of Ukraine.

No, things were not all perfect in that government. But unfortunately Soros is a big-time troublemaker, and it won’t help to anger Putin further. Russia has a stake in Ukraine, too, I’m afraid. And it would serve no purpose to draw us into the fight.

I’m afraid Cruz doesn’t have the slightest idea what he’s talking about here.


7 posted on 03/02/2014 7:12:41 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nuconvert

How’s about the US leaving the G8 and the UN. In truth it won’t make any difference.


8 posted on 03/02/2014 7:14:42 AM PST by vortec94
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To: SoConPubbie

I really don’t think Putin is worried about any country club memberships.


9 posted on 03/02/2014 7:18:37 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: vortec94

Yeah, well, that ain’t happening.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 7:19:50 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cicero

Agreed- I totally get why Putin is doing what he is doing. Half of Ukraine would go with Russia in a heartbeat. Half would’t. For the life of me, I still don’t know what our PINO was doing in Libya and Syria overthrowing Sovereign govts. and siding with muslim radicals at the behest of the Chaos mongers. Nothing at all to do with American interests.


11 posted on 03/02/2014 7:20:21 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
Why? The answer is easy.


12 posted on 03/02/2014 7:23:14 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Cicero

I just don’t think it’s a good idea for the U.S. to make Putin mad. We are not the America we used to be.


13 posted on 03/02/2014 7:28:38 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Cicero

If there is evidence that Soros funded the coup, then Putin could take it up with the International Criminal Court in the Hague. And it has to be specific targeted funding because Soros and his ring fund lots of things.

If Putin would resort to prosecuting Soros, he would have deep and widespread support in the USA and the world because Soros is hated everywhere.

Putin would be well-justified in protecting his bases along the Crimean just as the US is for Guantanamo. But beyond that he should voice his opinion and condemnation to the UN and refrain from acting as Hitler did with the Sudentenland.

But Putin has just botched the worldwide support and respect he gained for Russian values with his anti-homosexual stand at Sochi because people everywhere in the world are against normalizing homosexuality. Putin is not as smart as he thinks he is.


14 posted on 03/02/2014 7:29:51 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: SoConPubbie
Sounds another exercise in futility to me. How much has our military been weakened since Reagan? We know the Leftists have completely jacked the economy since Reagan. Looks to me like before we're able to deal effectively with Russia and any other aggressors in the future, we've got to do what the American people and Reagan did in the 80's:

1) oust the current regime in Washington DC
2) get the economy back on right footing by HUGE CUTS IN GOVERNMENT AND TAXES and letting the free market do what it does best: CREATE WEALTH,
3) Build the military back up once again to the world's strongest (weakness not strength invites war),
4) take down the NSA and other threats to American citizens
5) build up our intelligence community to make it first rate

Whatever aggressor-country hotspots including the Ukraine are relevant after 1-5 is done...

6) with good and verified intelligence, we should covertly work with the forces of freedom in the threatened country. In the case of the Ukraine if it’s still relevant, discern whether eastern Ukraine wants to join Russia and whether western Ukraine does not,
7) THEN, with actual and overwhelming force at our disposal, we should condemn the aggressor (Russia in this case) for threatening to invade the threatened country (Ukraine in this case) and move forces into the area with full intention of defending those that want to remain free,
8) we should seek diplomacy with the aggressor nation on the basis of our strength not weakness and any treaties or agreements should be based on “trust but verify.”

Note: We should NOT do what Bush did and start invading countries to force them to become democratic. That is NOT what America is here for. But we ARE here to help ourselves and others defend freedom against unwanted aggression and oppression.

15 posted on 03/02/2014 7:30:59 AM PST by PapaNew
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16 posted on 03/02/2014 7:31:11 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz is an idiot. The Crimea is not Georgia. Please pick up a history book and a map, Senator. Sheesh.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 7:49:24 AM PST by montag813
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To: ilovesarah2012

What are you afraid of?


18 posted on 03/02/2014 7:49:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Viennacon

Get them on the record. As well as anyone else who won’t stand up to Russia on this


19 posted on 03/02/2014 8:09:40 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

On the record? I doubt Greta can score an interview with Frau Merkel.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 8:12:11 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: wideawake

What is everyone afraid of?

This thread is head in the sand yielding sovereignty to doors. If this is what the good senator can expect from supporters, we may as well let Doris into the White House now


21 posted on 03/02/2014 8:13:44 AM PST by stanne
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To: Viennacon

Oh, man.

What is this? A meeting of the Cruz detractors?


22 posted on 03/02/2014 8:15:49 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Not at all, I just don’t think its likely the G8 will kick Russia out because Germany relies on their gas. I think Cruz is right that Russia should not be in the G8, but really, should we be in it either? What benefits do we get being entangled with the pedophile government of Britain, the imperialist government of Russia, or the child-seizing government of Germany? Seems unnecessary.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 8:19:56 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: SoConPubbie

What I want to know is, if Obama loves the UN so much, why he hasn’t called for this to be brought before the UN? I guess the UN is only for attacking America and nothing more.


24 posted on 03/02/2014 8:25:13 AM PST by livius
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To: ilovesarah2012

Once America further reduces its military preparedness per Chuck Hagel, then we’ll be more “flexible” to deal with these situations ....


25 posted on 03/02/2014 8:30:58 AM PST by mikrofon (CCCPutin)
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To: Viennacon

Whatever


26 posted on 03/02/2014 8:33:03 AM PST by stanne
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To: chris37
I really don’t think Putin is worried about any country club memberships.

He's hosting this year. About the only thing the other 7 countries can do is refuse to go. Fat chance on that happening.

27 posted on 03/02/2014 8:39:08 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SoConPubbie

Russia cares much more about its only warm weather port than it does about its G8 membership.

The ONLY thing that will stop Putin is a real nuclear threat.

That will not happen from this president.

Therefore, Putin will take back a minimum of Crimea and his only penalty will be some kind of unenforceable economic sanction.

We need the bombers on alert, the missiles on standby, and a shot across the bow to verify intentions. That would be accomplished by taking out Iran’s nukes and saying, “See. We’re serious. You’ve pushed all you’re going to push.”

Without that strength and resolve then Putin’s penalty will consist of not being allowed to sell as much oil to the EU for a year or two....something like that.


28 posted on 03/02/2014 8:43:38 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: DoodleDawg

I bet Putin will cry in his cereal if 0zer0 and his “lovely” wife don’t show.


29 posted on 03/02/2014 8:44:17 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SoConPubbie
"Cruz said the U.S. must suspend Russian membership in the G8. If that doesn't give Putin pause, he added, suspensions from "the World Trade Organization and even the United Nations Security Council" should be pursued."

While I appreciate the Senators' sentiment, I'm thinking he ought to do a little research before spouting off.

We can't kick Russia out of the UNSC...or, WTO as far as I know.

When Russia compares their strategic interests in Ukraine to the threat of G8 expulsion the trade is an easy one.

Russia does have strategic interests in Ukraine, for right or wrong. And they will protect those interests.

This is not about good guys and bad guys for surely there are plenty to go around on both sides.

30 posted on 03/02/2014 8:52:37 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: chris37
I bet Putin will cry in his cereal if 0zer0 and his “lovely” wife don’t show.

Canada has already announced they aren't going to be there. If Europe grows a spine I can see a circumstance where Obama is the only one that does show up.

31 posted on 03/02/2014 8:54:09 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: nuconvert

You are correct and given the EU’s dependence on Russian natural gas, even with winter winding down, I really doubt any of the members are interested in tweaking the Bear. Of course had we gone big for fracking we would be in a position to export plenty of LNG, but Barky and the ecofascists have other priorities. However many a Russian oligarch has vast holdings of currency and property in the US. We could seize those. Think about it, send the Marshal Service to seize the Brooklyn Nets and Barky could have a wey dream making himself President and GM of the Nets and sitting in the box at Barclay center with Jay Zee.


32 posted on 03/02/2014 8:57:10 AM PST by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: xzins
"We need the bombers on alert, the missiles on standby, and a shot across the bow to verify intentions. That would be accomplished by taking out Iran’s nukes and saying, “See. We’re serious. You’ve pushed all you’re going to push.”

You advocate a nuclear showdown with Russia over Ukraine?

Really?

What existential US interests are at stake that would warrant such posture and risk?

The Russians have strategic interests to protect and will not back down on Ukraine. That means one of two outcomes: War with Russia (which, by extension means nuclear war) or the US backs down.

That's a confrontation that is not in the interests of the USA.

33 posted on 03/02/2014 9:01:59 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: chris37

Exactly.


34 posted on 03/02/2014 9:19:56 AM PST by aquila48
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To: DoodleDawg
What gives the U.S. the authority to suspend Russian membership?

Absolutely nothing. Cruz needs to concentrate on Tuesday and what's happening in the USA instead of something not within his control.

35 posted on 03/02/2014 9:38:43 AM PST by bgill
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To: DoodleDawg

Yeah, but what’s that supposed to do, hurt Putin’s feelings?

I really don’t think that western civ has any idea how pointless and stupid it has become.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 9:47:03 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SoConPubbie

In a reflection of rising anti-Russia sentiments in U.S. political circles, Sen. John McCain and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, overstepped their bipartisan affiliations in November to send a joint, tough-worded proposal to the U.S. Senate, asking President George W. Bush to use his influence and exclude Russia from the G8, the elite club of world’s most advanced industrialized countries, measured by economic output.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1031329/posts


37 posted on 03/02/2014 10:16:53 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Hostage

I highly doubt putin really cares what the west, or for that matter or the rest of the world thinks of him. Putin saw an oppurtunity, and encouraged by a weak America ran by a weak and corrupt government, took it. The Ukraine will fall back under Russian control, and Europe along with the west, are powerless to stop it.


38 posted on 03/02/2014 10:35:11 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes Ted, we need to. Russia is not fit for G8 membership. Never was...


39 posted on 03/02/2014 10:54:30 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: SoConPubbie

No.


40 posted on 03/02/2014 11:10:12 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SoConPubbie

A lot of negativity here however BBC reports:

“Ukraine crisis: Britain pulls out of G8 preparatory talks”

“The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia’s build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.

The summit is due to be hosted by Russia in the city of Sochi.

Prime Minister David Cameron said British ministers would also now not attend the Paralympic Games in Sochi.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26404584

So just reporting, I myself confess not to understand this situation very well.

Good pictures at the webpage.


41 posted on 03/02/2014 11:19:02 AM PST by BeadCounter
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To: factoryrat

That’s short term thinking. Hitler thought the same regarding the Sudentenland.

Ukraine is presently an independent nation. Putin steps in it and he will in time regret it.


42 posted on 03/02/2014 11:26:28 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Mariner

We signed a treaty if I understand correctly.

The Constitution says that Treaties are a part of the Supreme Law of the Land.

Mind you, I don’t think it was the wisest treaty we ever signed, but what does it say to those who are supposed to have our back when we don’t honor our agreements to defend them?

You can help me, but don’t count on me to help you. That message is a catastrophe.


43 posted on 03/02/2014 11:39:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
"We signed a treaty if I understand correctly."

Yes, Clinton signed the treaty but it was so roundly rejected as to never have been presented to the Senate for ratification.

It is not binding in any way, shape, form or fashion until such time as ratified by the Senate.

And for good reason it was so thoroughly rejected. It would have committed the USA to military action to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine...a fools errand.

44 posted on 03/02/2014 11:48:03 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Then we don’t have a treaty, if the Senate didn’t ratify it.

Why was it said that we have a treaty?


45 posted on 03/02/2014 11:49:40 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
"Why was it said that we have a treaty?"

That claim is limited to the interim government in Kiev. They WISH it were the case.

46 posted on 03/02/2014 11:51:38 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The British former ambassador addressed it yesterday.

Sir Tony Brenton, who served as British Ambassador from 2004 to 2008, said that war could be an option 'if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding.' It promises to protect Ukraine's borders, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Kiev has demanded the agreement is activated after insisting their borders had been violated. In response Mr Brenton said in a BBC radio interview: 'If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we're going to go to war with Russia'.

From link: Budapest Memorandum” Treaty Signed In 1994 May Commit U.S., Britain To Defend Ukraine

47 posted on 03/02/2014 11:55:15 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Hostage

We’re currently not in a position to go toe to toe with another nuclear weapon equipped country. We have weak leadership, and putin knows it, and he is exploiting it for all he can, and he will get away with it. These are the things that come to be in obama’s post american world. The US government is more worried about internal revolution than they are external threats.


48 posted on 03/02/2014 12:22:04 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

For now.


49 posted on 03/02/2014 12:27:00 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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