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‘Russian forces in Ukraine could be a stabilizing factor in a country with no legitimate govt’
Russia [Propaganda] Today ^ | March 1, 2014

Posted on 03/02/2014 9:37:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy

As President Putin weighs using military forces in a Ukraine plunging deeper into political turmoil, Alexander Mercouris, international law expert, tells RT that the presence Russia’s forces could be a restraining factor for all the parties involved.

RT: From the point of view of international law, from the point of view of that perspective, where does Russia’s approval for the use of armed force actually stand then? If it does indeed send forces to Ukraine?

Alexander Mercouris: The Russian position is based on an agreement which was made between Mr. Yanukovich and the opposition leaders as they were on the 21st February, in which Russia is named and in which in effect it is a kind of co-guarantor. That agreement was torn up. What then happened over the course of the next couple of days is that Yanukovich was illegally overthrown.

Law is like a web. If you start unraveling part of it, then the whole thing basically falls apart. It’s very difficult, it seems for me, for people who want to criticize the Russians for doing what they’re doing to start discovering illegality now, when they have so-far completely disregarded it up to now. It depends in terms of international law, a great deal upon what the Russians do.

But the important thing to understand is that there is no legitimate government at the moment in existence in Kiev.

RT: There’s no decision made of course. They have made it very clear that there’s no decision as to whether those troops will be deployed but your thoughts if they were to be deployed, what sort of impact could that have on the situation?

AM: I think that in the Crimea it would stabilize it. The point to make about this particular resolution is that it’s not in-fact confined to Crimea. It’s about the Ukraine in general. We have to wait and see what would happen in the rest of Ukraine. There’s been a great deal of disturbances in the eastern Ukraine. But in the Crimea itself, I think, essentially it’s an accomplished fact – the Crimea is not obeying decisions from Kiev. It would require force by Kiev to bring Crimea to heel and Russian intervention there would prevent that and that would stabilize the situation.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; crimea; eunwo; pravda; putinsbuttboys; russia; soros; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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To: swamprebel
If you call that “Armed insurgents” then your welcome to spin away.

As I stated previously, an "armed insurgency" is what it is regardless of the choice of weapons.........

Here's a couple videos of the peaceful, unarmed protestors........

Peaceful protestors attempt to make friends with police

Peaceful, unarmed protestors attempt to encourage dialogue

So who's really trying to do the spin here bro?

41 posted on 03/02/2014 1:26:17 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Parley Baer
Who says it does not have a legitimate government. It seems to me it is only missing the Prime Minister who fled the country. Near as I can tell everything else is in place.

Right, and the Parliament was working on stabilizing the situation last I heard.

42 posted on 03/02/2014 1:36:10 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

If your government called out Military snippers to shoot you down in the streets, because you had an opposing view, bet you’d defend yourself too. Protestore in the Maidan SQ. are nothing NEW, they have been there for months protesting, what was NEW was Moscow telling it’s puppet installed President to use force against it’s own people.


43 posted on 03/02/2014 1:40:04 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
If your government

If my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle.........

44 posted on 03/02/2014 1:42:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: swamprebel

I find Putin appologist among Conservatives who believe in the rule of law, to be somewhat in a paradox.


45 posted on 03/02/2014 1:44:33 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
Moscow telling it’s puppet installed President

Now who would that be?

46 posted on 03/02/2014 1:47:45 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I find Putin appologist among Conservatives who believe in the rule of law, to be somewhat in a paradox. Either you believe in law, or you appologize for those who break it. Seems like a liberal concept to me. “Poor little johnny Putin couldn’t help it, look at how he was raised”.
Mr. Yanukovych was impeached, by members of his own party.
All legal and such.


47 posted on 03/02/2014 1:49:06 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
If your government called out Military snippers to shoot you down in the streets, because you had an opposing view, bet you’d defend yourself too.

You seem to forget here bro, there was no intent of a peaceful protest, the insurgents came armed with whatever weaponry they could get their hands on..........

And it wasn't until the armed insurgents got out of control that the police responded in kind with weapons fire........

48 posted on 03/02/2014 1:53:48 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Those armed insurgents had been protesting in the Maidan SQ. for Months. Russia’s Puppet Mr. Yanukovych, elected to bring the Ukraine into the EU, instead tried to take the Ukraine back behind the imaginary Iron Curtain that still lives in Putin’s head. Putin has poisoned past leaders, candidates and general opposition with radiation isotopes, lest you forget Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Berezovsky, or Anna Politkovskaya (Murdered on Putin’s Birthday). And now he breaks international law. Try to spin the low info folks, But it won’t work with me. Bro!


49 posted on 03/02/2014 2:05:54 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
the police responded in kind

Local police my arse, they were paramilitary snippers. Even the UK Telegraph picked up on that.

50 posted on 03/02/2014 2:08:11 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
I find Putin appologist among Conservatives who believe in the rule of law, to be somewhat in a paradox.

So, now I'm a Putin "apologist"?

Tell me, did you approve of the administration's support in Syria and Libya? After all, the MSM told you it was the right thing to do and they gave you all the facts and pictures you needed to know.

If you wish to throw out the "apologist" claim then I could accuse you the same for supporting Obama......

So now you're trusting this administration's condemnation of Russia based on the MSM reports of the current insurgent riots going on in the Ukraine?

If you wish, I'll gladly post the recurring pictures of the dead baby with a pacifier the MSM flooded us with during the invasion of Iraq.........

51 posted on 03/02/2014 2:26:34 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: swamprebel
Local police my arse, they were paramilitary snippers

You've failed to convince me that the armed insurgents were nothing more than peaceful protesters...........

52 posted on 03/02/2014 2:33:34 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: swamprebel
Moscow telling it’s puppet installed President

I'm still waiting for your answer on who that individual was...........

53 posted on 03/02/2014 2:35:22 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: 1rudeboy

In other news from 1939: “German forces in Poland could be a stabilizing factor in a country with no legitimate govt - Says von Ribbentrop: Poland? What’s a Poland? Wasn’t here 25 years ago.” [/sarcasm]


54 posted on 03/02/2014 2:42:33 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
What do you call the Russian troops in Crimea, who have removed their insignia's from their uniforms yet are wearing standard issue Russian fatigues, you know, the ones who have stormed local government buildings and taken local authorities hostage, and raised the Russian flag. I guess there not “Armed Insurgents”, perhaps they are candy stripe nurses.
55 posted on 03/02/2014 4:28:10 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Viktor Yanukovych, you know the guy, President of Ukraine until his removal from power by the Ukrainian parliament. The one who had Viktor Yushchenko poisoned by result of dioxin. He has been a Moscow puppet since his election. "Viktor Yanukovych, was supported by the Russian government and then president Vladimir Putin" according to: Revolution in Orange: The Origins of Ukraine's Democratic Breakthrough, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
56 posted on 03/02/2014 4:54:20 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
"Viktor Yanukovych, was supported by the Russian government and then president Vladimir Putin"

That's a pretty impressive argument. So tell me, how were the Russians able to convince the population to vote for Yanukovych? As you know, it was a free election............

57 posted on 03/02/2014 5:18:15 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco
The Yanukovych team and the outgoing president's administration used their control of the government and state apparatus for intimidation of Yushchenko and his supporters. Local officials in Eastern and Southern Ukraine, the stronghold of Viktor Yanukovych, started a series of actions alluding to the possibility of the breakup of Ukraine or an extra-constitutional federalisation of the country, should their candidate's claimed victory not be recognised. Yanukovych was officially certified as the victor by the Central Election Commission, which itself was allegedly involved in falsification of electoral results by withholding the information it was receiving from local districts and running a parallel illegal computer server to manipulate the results. The election was marred by claims that "Western PR consultants had helped orchestrate this rebellion". On the other hand, Russia's involvement in the election was more direct and heavily on the side of Prime Minister Yanukovych. The extent of this involvement is still contested but some facts are indisputable such as multiple meetings between (hugely popular in Ukraine at the time) Russian president Vladimir Putin, Kuchma the out going President. and Yanukovych before and during the elections. Putin repeatedly congratulated Yanukovych while the results were still contested, which was soon to embarrass both parties. This was stated in The Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics: Ukraine. by Nathaniel Copsey, Routledge Contemporary Russia and Eastern Europe Series (page 30-44) In Ukraine the trust in the Central Election Commission of Ukraine in Ukraine is very low.
58 posted on 03/02/2014 5:43:06 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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