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NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine
Euronews ^ | 02/03 14:09 CET

Posted on 03/02/2014 3:10:12 PM PST by annalex

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To: annalex

10-4. No worries.


181 posted on 03/04/2014 2:39:58 PM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Paul R.

Ukraine was pressured by the US and Russia to give up its nukes. To US, the country was an unknown entity at the time and Nuclear non-Proliferation was/is word of the day.

Last twenty years, Ukraine was allocating pennies to the military budget, it has some capability but would be badly outnumbered against the Russians.


182 posted on 03/04/2014 4:56:12 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Paul R.; pierrem15; Repeal The 17th; Ivan Mazepa; All

The previous governments probably stole everything that was not bolted down. And yes, in the post-Soviet space, no oil == no money; people forgot how to work.


183 posted on 03/04/2014 7:05:45 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Paul R.
depends on the King being benevolent

No it doesn't. Preserving the national infrastructure and staying out of debt is in the king's self-interest.

184 posted on 03/04/2014 7:07:28 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Ideally, yes, but some Kings (or the equivalent) do neither. Or, if they abuse their people, the whole thing eventually crashes violently, in most cases.

I’m not saying it (monarchy) can’t work, I’m just saying that giving rulers immunity, or perceived immunity, is more often than not a sure recipe for big trouble. Immunity corrupts, and those “outside” the power circle feel they have no voice and no hope, therefor they usually turn to violence. 1776.


185 posted on 03/04/2014 8:06:09 PM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

Who said anything about immunity? The monarch has an obligation to the people. The people have an obligation to the monarch. His “immunity” is a set of contractual obligations, not unlike what you have with your colleagues and neighbors.

Monarchies go bad, usually when an infant succeeds to the throne or the elderly king becomes incapacitated, and the regents form a little democracy around him. But monarchies go bad due to something extraordinary; democracies go bad because they are designed to go bad.

King George III was a remarkable king for his country, Britain, which he lead to dominance through very turbulent times. In fact his reign was quite illustrious: he really was the first national king in the line of Hanovers; he formed a union with Ireland; successfully outmaneuvered the Parliament — which gave him great popularity among the people; he, ahem, ahem, defeated Napoleon. He was loved by Britons for his exemplary family life and piety. It is a cruel twist of history that on American continent he is only known as a mad tyrant.

1776 was a birth of the American Nation (very similar to the Maidan today). Monarchy does not work very well across distance, precisely because the intimate bond between the king and the people cannot form. American independence was a natural consequence of this; to elevate it into some universal social principle of republicanism is illogical. All colonies sooner or later reach independence because they become nations. Then they choose their form of government; typically they call in a prince not unlike when a young woman finds a husband. American experience is not a universal pattern, and given the Revolutionary War, the 1812, and the Civil War that attended our birth, it was not particularly bloodless one.


186 posted on 03/05/2014 5:53:04 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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