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NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine
Euronews ^ | 02/03 14:09 CET

Posted on 03/02/2014 3:10:12 PM PST by annalex

NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine

The chorus of international voices urging caution in Ukraine, and above all urging Russia to refrain from military action, have been reinforced by NATO’s secretary general.

“Russia must stop its military activities and its threats. We support Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. We support the rights of the people of Ukraine to determine their own future without outside interference and we emphasise the need for Ukraine to continue to uphold the democratic rights of all people and ensure that minority rights are protected,” said Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

An overnight phone call between Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin has reportedly only served to underline fundamental differences of position.

This was reflected as well in an emergency session of the UN Security Council, where Russia maintained it was acting to protect its citizens despite the lack of evidence of any tangible threat. And remember, Russia may be talking to its international partners, but refuses direct talks with Kyiv.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; eu; nato; nwo; soros; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
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1 posted on 03/02/2014 3:10:12 PM PST by annalex
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To: Sidebar Moderator

breaking?


2 posted on 03/02/2014 3:10:41 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Or?


3 posted on 03/02/2014 3:10:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: annalex

Who’s in charge here?


4 posted on 03/02/2014 3:14:45 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: annalex

ooooooooooo scawy


5 posted on 03/02/2014 3:14:52 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: dfwgator

Well, the West has a range of options short of direct military hostilities. It can arm Ukraine, offer logistical and intelligence support (that toppled the putschists in the Kremilin in 1991), certainly block assets of the putinista in international banks and deny them visas.

The latter, by the way, will hurt them like bitch. Their entire existence is predicated on villas in the mediteranean, American college for the kids, and generally acceptance into the Western polite society. Magnitsky law hurt them in the right spot; it should be expanded.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 3:16:53 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
An overnight phone call between Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin

The only thing girly-man Baraq accomplished was to assure Vlad that he could do as he pleases.

7 posted on 03/02/2014 3:18:36 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: annalex

“...the West has a range of options...”
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Including staying the hell out of it.


8 posted on 03/02/2014 3:19:02 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: annalex

9 posted on 03/02/2014 3:20:13 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah.

Somehow I think this formula: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U - is not going to apply this time.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 3:20:14 PM PST by Psalm 144 (1. Sow. 2. Reap. 3. Eat the result.)
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To: annalex

Lol.
“Sthop ith righth now! Or we’ll sthend you obama goatse picth!”


11 posted on 03/02/2014 3:21:21 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: dfwgator

Further, NATO must step up its rhetoric for another reason. Ukraine is out of NATO, — lucky for the Alliance, — but Latvie, Estonia and Lithuania are. All three have a sizable Russian minorities that claimed discrimination in the past. All three therefore can offer Putin the same scenario he is playing currently with respect to Ukraine. It would be wise for NATO to pre-empt any fomenting by the Kremlin of ethnic unrest on NATO territory.


12 posted on 03/02/2014 3:21:30 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Darksheare

Eeeep!


13 posted on 03/02/2014 3:23:18 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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14 posted on 03/02/2014 3:23:58 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: null and void

Yeah.
That was roughly the most credible threat I could imagine them making.
Next up, Chris Crocker crying his mascara off and lisping “leave Ukraine alone right now.”


15 posted on 03/02/2014 3:26:07 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: annalex

We had a discussion about the causes of World War One recently here at FR. Please remember that historically the way that kingdoms, nations, Empires etc. all looked to a war with their neighbors as a way of getting out of economic problems at home. Or to use a war to distract the masses at home away from their perceived problems through national patriotism. Also it was a great way of getting rid of dissidents too.


16 posted on 03/02/2014 3:26:57 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: P-Marlowe
Who’s in charge here?

Yes. I know. If we had a real president in charge here, none of this would be happening in the first place. But remember, this is naturally more of a European crisis than it is a US crisis, and there may be some men left on the Old World. I mean, men and Merkel, God bless her.

17 posted on 03/02/2014 3:27:22 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
HERE'S HOW YOU DETER PUTIN

We could do it...but we have an administration who will not do it, who does not want to do it, and who are happy to see us ineffectual on the world stage.

Part of that fundamental change. Part of being "more flexible," don't you know?

18 posted on 03/02/2014 3:28:07 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: annalex

Oh, yeah. That’ll stop them. Just wait until J F’n Kerry throws down his purse and stomps his foot.


19 posted on 03/02/2014 3:29:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: annalex

This is pretty much a done deal unless the newly installed Ukrainian community organizer really wants to pick a fight.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 3:30:13 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Including staying the hell out of it.

Sorry comrade, but someone has to face down your pal Ivan.

21 posted on 03/02/2014 3:31:03 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: annalex

>>The latter, by the way, will hurt them like bitch. Their entire existence is predicated on villas in the mediteranean, American college for the kids, and generally acceptance into the Western polite society. Magnitsky law hurt them in the right spot; it should be expanded.

It is probably a nice way to improve a Russian economy. Oligarchs would have to invest at home.


22 posted on 03/02/2014 3:31:13 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: annalex
Has anyone detected a "REFRORGER" from CONUS yet? Any movement of personnel or armor vis a vis Germany? NATO et. al.? Anyone, aircraft or missiles being on alert?

Putin has his warm water port.

5.56mm

23 posted on 03/02/2014 3:31:49 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: annalex

A real president would have seen this coming and been at the Olympics to talk to Putin face to face while a team of state department officials worked on a diplomatic solution with both sides.


24 posted on 03/02/2014 3:34:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The Working Man
distract the masses at home away from their perceived problems through national patriotism. Also it was a great way of getting rid of dissidents too.

Right; the aggression certainly helped Putin's credibility at home. Now he has inoculated himself against his country's failing economic performance, because he will write it off on the coming sanctions. That is in the short to medium term.

Would sanctions work for or against Putin in the long run (3-5 years) remains to be seen. Historically, the Russian people rallied to the "king" in tough economic times, except one time when they destroyed the country in the process, in 1917. Maybe this time they can have a 1917 in reverse? The past 15 years or some were generally prosperous, in relative terms, so as that prosperity had generated high ratings for Putin sanctions may turn the population against him.

But I think, if the sanctions take the shape of Magnitsky law, -- denial of visas, plus bank asset freeze, then Putin's own multimillionaire buddies will shoot him.

25 posted on 03/02/2014 3:36:14 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: M Kehoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXMqxuccaHI

Polish military vehicles on the way to Ukraine/Polish border. For what purpose, that’s a good guess.

But they’re on the way for some reason.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 3:37:03 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jeff Head
HERE'S HOW YOU DETER PUTIN

Yes. Not in the cards with Obama in the Oval Office. But sanctions will work.

27 posted on 03/02/2014 3:37:51 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Probably there just in case....but they will not allow Russians to get their former lands in Western Ukraine without a fight.


28 posted on 03/02/2014 3:38:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: annalex

Or what .... We’ll unleash Wesley Clark on em again ?


29 posted on 03/02/2014 3:39:34 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: M Kehoe
Yeah, this is pretty much a done deal. Europe won't stand up for themselves and President Candyass is hiding under his desk.

And Putin, well.....

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30 posted on 03/02/2014 3:39:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL, I think that pic sums up the whole Ukraine situation in a nutshell.


31 posted on 03/02/2014 3:40:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jim Robinson
stomps his foot.

There may be some men left in Europe, and it is primarily a European matter. Also, sanctions will work against the corrupt and greedy Putin's environment and suit Obama's shape of spine.

32 posted on 03/02/2014 3:40:35 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Well, no we don't. If we do nothing, the Baltic states will be next and China will act decisively in the South China Sea.

This sh---- situation is the direct consequence of six years of appeasement by Hussein.

33 posted on 03/02/2014 3:40:45 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: dfwgator
Most likely. Would the Poles do that without consulting NATO command first, I wonder? I mean, sure, it's their national border. But I'd think - and I could be mistaken in this - that they'd at least leave a voicemail saying, "Hey, we're moving some armor to our frontier with Ukraine."
34 posted on 03/02/2014 3:41:15 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Not my problem.


35 posted on 03/02/2014 3:41:32 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

If you’re an American, it’s your problem. Putin is a mortal enemy of the entire country, and of the world.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 3:42:40 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Oh, and by the way, I ain’t yer dang comrade.


37 posted on 03/02/2014 3:42:55 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: cunning_fish
Oligarchs would have to invest at home

Right, win-win.

Generally, prosperous Russia preoccupied with fixing its own home would be best for everyone, including the free Ukraine. Unfortunately the sanctions have a way of hurting the man on the street the most, especially now that Russia imports everyday goods.

38 posted on 03/02/2014 3:43:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Oh, and by the way, I ain’t yer dang comrade.

Don't worry KGB Putin thanks you for your "I don't care" commentary.

39 posted on 03/02/2014 3:44:03 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: pierrem15

“...If we do nothing, the Baltic states will be next...”
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And this effects me and my family ... now how is that again?


40 posted on 03/02/2014 3:44:17 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The Allies weren’t thrilled with the Warsaw Uprising, but they did it anyway.

Remember the movie “The Battle of Britain”...........”Repeat, Please?”

That’s the Poles for you.


41 posted on 03/02/2014 3:44:35 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I just finished commenting on another thread that when a great power acts like a passive, feckless idiot then lesser powers can act in such a way as to draw in the great power if they want to.

The Poles know from bitter historical experience that feeding the bear only leaves you as the last item in the buffet line.

42 posted on 03/02/2014 3:44:50 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Have I told you that “you suck” yet?


43 posted on 03/02/2014 3:45:01 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Obama and the Rats are my enemy. I have more concerns for the future of this country under them than I do Putin.


44 posted on 03/02/2014 3:45:35 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“If you’re an American, it’s your problem. Putin is a mortal enemy of the entire country, and of the world.”

Time will tell, but like I said on another thread, the US has been like a phallus poking around all over the world the last 20 years or so and this is just another country showing they can do the same. They have their interests and we have ours. I don’t think this is the start of WW3 yet. It is what we get for backing a Ukrainian spring.


45 posted on 03/02/2014 3:45:45 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: wonkowasright

I don’t think there is going to be any significant US involvement, which may be good for everyone. American national interest is in respect for the treaties US signed, such as the Budapest Memorandum (not really a treaty anyway) and in shoring up NATO deterrent in the Balt states. It is primarily an European crisis.


46 posted on 03/02/2014 3:47:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

>>Unfortunately the sanctions have a way of hurting the man on the street the most, especially now that Russia imports everyday goods.

LOL. Have you seen any `Made in USA` things lately? And I don’t think China would join any sanctions.


47 posted on 03/02/2014 3:48:31 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Poland wants to keep the Western Ukrainian Bandera Nazis out of Przemysl. They’ve laid claim to that area of Poland, too.


48 posted on 03/02/2014 3:49:18 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: annalex

Poland is also a member and they border Ukraine.


49 posted on 03/02/2014 3:50:21 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: pierrem15

The Poles know from bitter historical experience that feeding the bear only leaves you as the last item in the buffet line.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself. Like I said on another thread, a Czech government official (the former Foreign Minister, and a very well-respected and knowledgeable fellow - Karel Schwarzenberg) flat out said Putin = Hitler.


50 posted on 03/02/2014 3:50:32 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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