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Brace Yourself for Hillary and Jeb
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/dowd-brace-yourself-for-hillary-and-jeb.html?_r=0 ^ | MARCH 1, 2014 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:20 AM PST by Kenny

WASHINGTON — OY. By the time the Bushes and Clintons are finished, they are going to make the Tudors and the Plantagenets look like pikers. Before these two families release their death grip on the American electoral system, we’re going to have to watch Chelsea’s granddaughter try to knock off George P.’s grandson, Prescott Walker Bush II. Barack Obama, who once dreamed of being a transformational president, will turn out to be a mere hiccup in history, the interim guy who provided a tepid respite while Hillary and Jeb geared up to go at it.

Elections for president are supposed to make us feel young and excited, as if we’re getting a fresh start. That’s the way it was with J.F.K. and Obama and, even though he was turning 70 when he got inaugurated, Ronald Reagan.

But, as the Clinton library tardily disgorged 3,546 pages of official papers Friday — dredging up memories of a presidency that was eight years of turbulence held steady by a roaring economy and an incompetent opposition, a reign roiled by Hillarycare, Vince Foster, Whitewater, Webb Hubbell, Travelgate, Monica, impeachment, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Marc Rich — the looming prospect of another Clinton-Bush race makes us feel fatigued.

Our meritocratic society seems increasingly nepotistic and dynastic. There was a Bush or a Clinton in the White House and cabinet for 32 years straight. We’re Bill Murray stuck at 6 a.m. in Harold Ramis’s comic masterpiece, “Groundhog Day.” As Time’s Michael Crowley tweeted on Friday, “Who else is looking forward to potentially TEN more years of obsessing about Hillary Clinton’s past, present and future?”

The Clintons don’t get defeated. They get postponed.

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a major Romney donor told The Washington Post that “if Jeb Bush is in the race, he clears the field.”

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The Clintons don’t get defeated. They get postponed.

That pretty well sums up all Democrats.

1 posted on 03/03/2014 8:03:20 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Kenny
“if Jeb Bush is in the race, he clears the field his opponent wins.” - fixed
2 posted on 03/03/2014 8:05:57 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Kenny

Maureen Dowd is still alive?


3 posted on 03/03/2014 8:06:56 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Kenny

This would certainly be a good time for conservatives to locate and support a truly conservative candidate.


4 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:06 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Kenny

2016: The projectile vomiting election. The true believers with nurse aides crawling to the polls to vote....


5 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:07 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Kenny

STAY OUT DA BUSHES!...................


6 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:25 AM PST by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Kenny

How on EARTH can anyone reasonable think that we would ever nominate Jeb? Now I am one that thinks we can be a bit too myopic and believe that others wee what we see and like what we like and that our favorites will be the next POTUS (Ted Cruz comes to mind). But even old cynical me can’t imagine a world in which we nominate Jeb Bush.


7 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:26 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Kenny

Bracing myself to stay home and hunker down on election night if all the GOP can do is cram Jeb freekin Bush down our damned throats....


8 posted on 03/03/2014 8:07:33 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kenny

Jeb is a RINO, so no, I can’t support him


9 posted on 03/03/2014 8:08:35 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Kenny
"Brace Yourself for Hillary and Jeb"

No, and no- ain't gonna happen.

10 posted on 03/03/2014 8:08:57 AM PST by matthew fuller (We desperately need a Commander in Chief, not a Coward in Chief.)
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To: GeronL

I smell a permanent break from the Republicans coming for a lot of Conservatives.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 8:09:16 AM PST by North Coast Conservative (God created man, Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: Kenny

Bush and Clinton. I am not a real big fan of remakes.


12 posted on 03/03/2014 8:09:31 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Kenny

Don’t tell me the GOPe is stupid enough to give us another party-death-wish candidate. That is certainly what Jeb Bush would be.


13 posted on 03/03/2014 8:09:41 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Sgt_Schultze

If Jeb even wins he will do nothing but continute Failed Big Government Republican ideas that will further discredit the Republican party as a viable contrast tot he Democrat party leading to the rise of a Republican party that nothign more than the mere tails to a coin that faced with the democrat part and an opposition party in name only.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 8:12:20 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kenny

15 posted on 03/03/2014 8:13:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Kenny

If those two are the nominees, I’ll be sitting this one out. I’ve held my nose and voted republican too many times since 1972. Not anymore.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 8:14:11 AM PST by dainbramaged
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To: Kenny

If GHWB and GWB had not happened, Jeb would be a decent option. Unfortunately, history tells us that even if we win with Jeb, we lose in the long term. Both Bush’s - for whatever merits each have (and both do have positives) - we ended up a party in decline during their leadership.

Bush 43 did some very good things as President, but he also lost the country and evolved into a go-along-get-along guy with the left which completely diluted the Republican brand. If the Bush family had any designs on a Jeb presidcny in the future, they should not have folded up their tents and gone home during the second term in their press/public relations efforts.

Jeb was a good governor here in FL, and well liked across the spectrum (other than the wacky left). That is meaningless at this point, though as it is ancient history.

No to Jeb. and if our party does not start managing their brand like a business (which they have failed to do since 2005), then no to the GOP, too.


17 posted on 03/03/2014 8:14:56 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Kenny

Nope.

If that is all Lolmerica can muster, then I think I’m just going to leave.


18 posted on 03/03/2014 8:16:13 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Kenny

If the GOP manages to force Jeb down our throats, that will be the signal to me that they have no intention of defeating Hillary. That means that I will have no qualms about sitting out the election, or writing in the candidate of my choice in protest.


19 posted on 03/03/2014 8:17:07 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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20 posted on 03/03/2014 8:17:27 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: RIghtwardHo
But even old cynical me can’t imagine a world in which we nominate Jeb Bush.

The big issue here is how "we" is defined. With the number of open primaries that we face early in the election year, I'd be surprised if we didn't get stuck with another weak candidate.

21 posted on 03/03/2014 8:18:41 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kenny

We have had one Clinton President and two Bush Presidents. I don’t see how that makes it a Monarch. FDR had more time then all of them put together.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 8:20:00 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Kenny

A conservative populist would beat them both in a 3-way race.


23 posted on 03/03/2014 8:22:40 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: ilgipper

[ If GHWB and GWB had not happened, Jeb would be a decent option. Unfortunately, history tells us that even if we win with Jeb, we lose in the long term. Both Bush’s - for whatever merits each have (and both do have positives) - we ended up a party in decline during their leadership. ]

The more I look back at history the more it seems that George Herbert Walker Bush’s presidency was the “Regime of Revenge of the Rockefeller Republican” and a slow lethargic dismantaling of a great many things that reagan did, both in policy and in destroying perception of the good reagan did for the party 8 years before that.

GHWB was a very very nasty man, the perception of him as a “wimp” almost seems to me to be facade the liberal media put up in order to somewhat protect him so he could do his job in dismantling reagan’s legacy. A consolation prize because they so badly lost tryign to get “Tank Boy” in there they settled for a behind the scenes dismantling...

I have no doubt that if GHWB had won a second term, while it would have been better than clintoon’s first term, it would have been horrible as well as the 1994 republican revolution would have turned into the Dems remaining solidly in control of congress...


24 posted on 03/03/2014 8:23:53 AM PST by GraceG
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“If the GOP manages to force Jeb down our throats, that will be the signal to me that they have no intention of defeating Hillary. That means that I will have no qualms about sitting out the election, or writing in the candidate of my choice in protest.”

If it looks that way in early 2016, you will have another choice.


25 posted on 03/03/2014 8:25:04 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
if Jeb Bush gets in the race, his opponent wins

Maybe not. Just as with McCain and Romney vs Obama, if it's Jeb vs hillary, the puppet masters have already won.,

26 posted on 03/03/2014 8:25:13 AM PST by grania
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To: RIghtwardHo
There has been a Bush or Clinton in power for three decades now.

Jeb is being groomed to run. I expect him to be in Iowa this summer.

27 posted on 03/03/2014 8:26:50 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jim Noble

[ A conservative populist would beat them both in a 3-way race. ]

We had one, or one that pretended to be in 1992, his name was H. Ross Perot. In the summer of 1992 he stood a great chance of winning, then he withdrew all of a sudden, for some reason, then when he got back in the damage had already been done and the democrat won..

Either he was paid off or his family was threatned...

I dare say ANYONE who runs as a 3rd party populist should commit themselves 10000% to winning and ignore ALL threats even if their threaten EVERYONE in their family, and record tyheir phone calls in case somethign happens to them and make sure they can Identify WHO made the threat should it be carried out.

The Perot Example brings two possibilites.

1. Either he was in on sbaotaging his campaign from the begining...

2. He scared the crap out of the establishment and the establishment felt they needed to make an example out of him by destroying his electoral responsibility.


28 posted on 03/03/2014 8:29:29 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kenny

Hillary really does not look well.

And Jeb will still lose to her.


29 posted on 03/03/2014 8:29:35 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

At least unify around a protest candidate.


30 posted on 03/03/2014 8:30:38 AM PST by DManA
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To: grania

[ Maybe not. Just as with McCain and Romney vs Obama, if it’s Jeb vs hillary, the puppet masters have already won., ]

Even if you don’t beleive in “Puppet Masters” the “D.C. Establishmenmt” clearly wins either way.


31 posted on 03/03/2014 8:31:16 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kenny

If there is one thing that I know for certain, it is that I will not be voting for a Bush or a Clinton in 2016 Presidential. I just won’t.


32 posted on 03/03/2014 8:31:55 AM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Kenny
Doesn't anybody ever follow rules around here anymore? :-)


33 posted on 03/03/2014 8:32:58 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: GraceG

Perot is a very encouraging example. An amateur (and more than a little strange) got 19 million votes.

To win a 3 way race, the conservative populist will have to be an experienced politician and candidate. Preferably a former governor.


34 posted on 03/03/2014 8:35:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Can’t stand the Bushes, can’t stand the Clintons.


35 posted on 03/03/2014 8:35:32 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Kenny

Alex, I’ll take “Things that could make me pick-up and move to Costa Rica tomorrow” for a thousand.


36 posted on 03/03/2014 8:39:32 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: napscoordinator

Bush sr 4 years
WJC. 8 years
Bush jr 8 years

FDR. 12 years 1933 to 1945

You teaching Common Core math at Annapolis now?
;>)


37 posted on 03/03/2014 8:40:03 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: ilgipper

With the election of daddy Bush in ‘88 the GOPe started the war with conservatives in their ranks. He couldn’t win a second term on his own. The 1994 mid-terms were entirely a conservative victory. Then we watched as the RINO elitists gradually buckled, became corrupt and spent like Democrats.

Dubya barely won in 2000 and if it wasn’t for the Swift boat vets in 2004, he would have lost.

With this family at the helm, the Republican party has sunk into virtual oblivion. They are corporatist RINOs of the highest order. They detest conservatives.


38 posted on 03/03/2014 8:40:17 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: grania
"the puppet masters have already won"

Pretty well sums it up.

If it's a Jeb vs. Hillary race, it doesn't really matter who wins, and it's a message to the "little people" that they need to learn their place.
39 posted on 03/03/2014 8:44:30 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Yes, you did.

Good job.


40 posted on 03/03/2014 8:54:04 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: RIghtwardHo

I remember, in 2008, thinking: How on EARTH can anyone reasonable think that the republicans would ever nominate John McCain?

And then, in 2012, I thought: How on EARTH can any reasonable republican support nominating Mitt Romney?


41 posted on 03/03/2014 8:59:11 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
If the GOP manages to force Jeb down our throats, that will be the signal to me that they have no intention of defeating Hillary.

I agree.

42 posted on 03/03/2014 9:02:12 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Red Badger

Much as I believe the GOPe would like Jeb, I don’t seriously think they are going to get away with it this time.

Oh, I do think they will manage to ram another RINO down our throats, but it won’t be Jeb.

I lived in FL when he was governor. Not impressed. However, when you’ve suffered through a loon like Bob Graham, you are willing to accept it.


43 posted on 03/03/2014 9:04:01 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: GraceG

I always thought that Ross Perot ran because he hated Bush and wanted to stop his election. He succeeded in that.


44 posted on 03/03/2014 9:04:20 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Kenny

What’s the Difference?


45 posted on 03/03/2014 9:06:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: napscoordinator

Your point is taken.

However, the two Bushes and one Clinton represent 5 full presidential terms.

Mr. Roosevelt did not complete his fourth term.


46 posted on 03/03/2014 9:06:33 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: ZULU

Bushes and Clintons are two sides of the same coin.

Their business dealings go way back, see Mena Airport.


47 posted on 03/03/2014 9:07:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Costa Rica, eh?

I’ve also been looking in to Costa Rica a bit.

If they lightened up on their gun laws I would be sorely tempted.


48 posted on 03/03/2014 9:16:36 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Kenny

I will not be voting. I voted for my last RINO in Romney.

No More!


49 posted on 03/03/2014 9:17:53 AM PST by Artcore
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To: headstamp 2

I agree.

I’ve recently begun to wonder if she had Addison’s disease or something.


50 posted on 03/03/2014 9:18:26 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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