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Why Russia No Longer Fears the West
Politico ^ | March 2, 2014 | Ben Judah

Posted on 03/03/2014 7:25:43 PM PST by annalex

Why Russia No Longer Fears the West

By BEN JUDAH March 02, 2014

Western leaders are stunned because they haven’t realized Russia’s owners no longer respect Europeans the way they once did after the Cold War. Russia thinks the West is no longer a crusading alliance. Russia thinks the West is now all about the money.

Putin’s henchmen know this personally. Russia’s rulers have been buying up Europe for years. They have mansions and luxury flats from London’s West End to France’s Cote d’Azure. Their children are safe at British boarding and Swiss finishing schools. And their money is squirrelled away in Austrian banks and British tax havens.

Putin’s inner circle no longer fear the European establishment. They once imagined them all in MI6. Now they know better. They have seen firsthand how obsequious Western aristocrats and corporate tycoons suddenly turn when their billions come into play. They now view them as hypocrites—the same European elites who help them hide their fortunes.

Once Russia’s powerful listened when European embassies issued statements denouncing the baroque corruption of Russian state companies. But no more. Because they know full well it is European bankers, businessmen and lawyers who do the dirty work for them placing the proceeds of corruption in hideouts from the Dutch Antilles to the British Virgin Islands.

We are not talking big money. But very big money. None other than Putin’s Central Bank has estimated that two thirds of the $56 billion exiting Russia in 2012 might be traceable to illegal activities. Crimes like kickbacks, drug money or tax fraud. This is the money that posh English bankers are rolling out the red carpet for in London.

Behind European corruption, Russia sees American weakness. The Kremlin does not believe European countries – with the exception of Germany – are truly independent of the United States. They see them as client states that Washington could force now, as it once did in the Cold War, not to do such business with the Kremlin.

When Russia sees Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal outbidding each other to be Russia’s best business partner inside the EU (in return for no mention of human rights), they see America’s control over Europe slowly dissolving.

Back in Moscow, Russia’s hears American weakness out of Embassy Moscow. Once upon a time the Kremlin feared a foreign adventure might trigger Cold War economic sanctions where it hurts: export bans on key parts for its oil industry, even being cut out of its access to the Western banking sector. No more.

Russia sees an America distracted: Putin’s Ukrainian gambit was a shock to the U.S. foreign policy establishment. They prefer talking about China, or participating in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Russia sees an America vulnerable: in Afghanistan, in Syria and on Iran—a United States that desperately needs Russian support to continue shipping its supplies, host any peace conference or enforce its sanctions.

Moscow is not nervous. Russia’s elites have exposed themselves in a gigantic manner – everything they hold dear is now locked up in European properties and bank accounts. Theoretically, this makes them vulnerable. The EU could, with a sudden rush of money-laundering investigations and visa bans, cut them off from their wealth. But, time and time again, they have watched European governments balk at passing anything remotely similar to the U.S. Magnitsky Act, which bars a handful of criminal-officials from entering the United States.

All this has made Putin confident, very confident – confident that European elites are more concerned about making money than standing up to him. The evidence is there. After Russia’s strike force reached the outskirts of Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, in 2008, there were statements and bluster, but not a squeak about Russia’s billions. After Russia’s opposition were thrown into show trials, there were concerned letters from the European Union, but again silence about Russia’s billions.

The Kremlin thinks it knows Europe’s dirty secret now. The Kremlin thinks it has the European establishment down to a tee. The grim men who run Putin’s Russia see them like latter-day Soviet politicians. Back in the 1980s, the USSR talked about international Marxism but no longer believed it. Brussels today, Russia believes, talks about human rights but no longer believes in it. Europe is really run by an elite with the morality of the hedge fund: Make money at all costs and move it offshore.

The Kremlin sees its evidence in the former leaders of Britain, France and Germany. Tony Blair now advises the dictatorship in Kazakhstan on how to improve its image in the West. Nicholas Sarkozy was contemplating setting up a hedge fund with money from absolutist Qatar. And Gerhard Schroder is the chairman of the Nord Steam consortium – a majority Gazprom-owned pipeline that connects Russia directly to Germany through the Black Sea.

Russia is confident there will be no Western economic counterattack. They believe the Europeans will not sanction the Russian oligarch money. They believe Americans will not punish the Russian oligarchs by blocking their access to banks. Russia is certain a military counterattack is out of the question. They expect America to only posture. Cancel the G-8? Who cares?

Because Putin has no fear of the West, he can concentrate on what matters back in Russia: holding onto power. When Putin announced he would return to the presidency in late 2011, the main growling question was: why?

The regime had no story to sell. What did Putin want to achieve by never stepping down? Enriching himself? The puppet president he shunted aside, Dmitry Medvedev, had at least sold a story of modernization. What, other than hunger for power, had made Putin return to the presidency? The Kremlin spin-doctors had nothing to spin.

Moscow was rocked by mass protests in December 2011. More than 100,000 gathered within sight of the Kremlin demanding Russia be ruled in a different way. The protesters were scared off the streets, but the problem the regime had in justifying itself remained. Putin had sold himself to the Russian people as the man who would stabilize the state and deliver rising incomes after the chaos of the 1990s. But with Russians no longer fearing chaos, but rather stagnation as the economy slowed – it was unclear what this “stability” was for.

This is where the grand propaganda campaign called the Eurasian Union has come into its own. This is the name of the vague new entity that Putin wants to create out of former Soviet states — the first steps toward which Putin has taken by building a Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan, and he had hoped with a Ukraine run by Viktor Yanuvokych. This is not just about empire; it is about using empire to cover up the grotesque scale of Russian corruption and justify the regime.

Russia would rather have swallowed Ukraine whole, but the show must go on. Russian TV needs glories for Putin every night on the evening news. Russian politics is about spin, not substance. The real substance of Russian politics is the extraction of billions of dollars from the nation and shuttling them into tropical Western tax havens, which is why Russian politics needs perpetual PR and perpetual Putinist drama to keep all this hidden from the Russian people. Outraged Putin has built up a Kremlin fleet of luxury aircraft worth $1 billion? Angry that a third of the $51 billion budget of the Sochi games vanished into kickbacks? Forget about it. Russia is on the march again.

This is why Crimea is perfect Putin. Crimea is no South Ossetia. This is not some remote, mountainous Georgian village inhabited by some dubious ethnicity that Russians have never heard of. Crimea is the heart of Russian romanticism. The peninsula is the only part of the classical world that Russia ever conquered. And this is why the Tsarist aristocracy fell in love with it. Crimea symbolized Russia’s 18th and 19th-century fantasy to conquer Constantinople and liberate Greek Orthodox Christians from Muslim rule. Crimea became the imperial playground: In poetry and palaces, it was extolled as the jewel in the Russian crown.

Crimea is the only lost land that Russians really mourn. The reason is tourism. The Soviet Union built on the Tsarist myth and turned the peninsula into a giant holiday camp full of workers sanitariums and pioneer camps. Unlike, the Russian cities of say northern Kazakhstan, Crimea is a place Russians have actually been. Even today over one million Russians holiday in Crimea every year. It is not just a peninsula; this is Russia’s Club Med and imperial romanticism rolled into one.

Vladimir Putin knows this. He knows that millions of Russians will cheer him as a hero if he returns them Crimea. He knows that European bureaucrats will issue shrill statements and then get back to business helping Russian elites buy London town houses and French chateaux. He knows full well that the United States can no longer force Europe to trade in a different way. He knows full well that the United States can do nothing beyond theatrical military maneuvers at most.

This is why Vladimir Putin just invaded Crimea.

He thinks he has nothing to lose.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhorussia; crimea; russia; thewest; ukraine
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In the thread I posted the other day, NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine, I was trying to make the following point: Putin and his environment do not want Russian Federation to become politically isolated, be imposed sanctions and have their personal accounts frozen -- not because they care all that much for the people they govern, but because the RF's political elite is thoroughly westernized on the personal level. They invest in real estate in Europe, educate their children in the West, they have amassed fortunes in foreign banks. Any sanctions regime would hurt them badly, just like the Magnitsky law in the US did, but on a far vaster scale. So, I reasoned, Putin is likely to strike a deal with Ukraine soon, take his chips and go home before the West turned around with the sanctions.

Here is the opposite theory: It is precisely the familiarity with the modern West on the elite level that emboldened Putin. His aggression in Ukraine is likely to go on.

I would put the emphases a bit differently, but I think his is a plausible theory as well. My chief corrective to Ben Judah's piece is that the Putin circle in RF is culturally unable to see past their cynicism, so their conclusion that Europe is all wimps and Obama is incapable of rational action is on a shaky ground because they assume their own cynicism to prevail with everyone else.

What do you think?

1 posted on 03/03/2014 7:25:43 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

Ah , Stalin murdered all the Smart People ?


2 posted on 03/03/2014 7:30:15 PM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; bigheadfred; ...
Given the volatility in Ukraine, I wanted to post this article; it offers a fresh perspective on Putin and his aggression. I realize that hashing the daily news is not what my ping list was meant to accomplish and beg your indulgence in this.

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If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates.

3 posted on 03/03/2014 7:31:06 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

It seems that the longer the article, after a critical legnth, the more propaganda is in it

likely, there’s a one word, one name, answer to the question


4 posted on 03/03/2014 7:31:17 PM PST by stanne
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To: annalex

I grew up in the Cold War so I have an innate distrust for the Russians. I believe Putin, ex KGB, measured the resolve of his enemies and determined it lacking. He / the Russians probably engineered the turmoil in Ukraine as a pre-fab excuse to invade. After seeing how Iran and North Korea BSed the US, he gambled that the worst that will happen to him is a strongly worded statement. I suspect he’s right


5 posted on 03/03/2014 7:32:04 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: annalex
so their conclusion that Europe is all wimps and Obama is incapable of rational action is on a shaky ground because they assume their own cynicism to prevail with everyone else.

Our government can't even balance a budget or control it's own borders...No doubt Russia sees us not only as irrational inept wimps, but now an immoral country which stand for little or nothing except for government insatiable appetite for more punitive control of it's own people.

Just the opposite of what America was supposed to be.

6 posted on 03/03/2014 7:37:35 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Personal Responsibility
I fear that you are correct.
7 posted on 03/03/2014 7:38:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: annalex
It's simple:
THE WEST IS WEAK.

THE WEST IS DECADENT.

"We dare not tempt them with weakness."
John Kennedy
President of the United States

8 posted on 03/03/2014 7:45:54 PM PST by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: annalex

Sanctions against Russia will only be modestly effective if and only if Germany is an enthusiastic participant. Highly unlikely. Germany will tire of subsidizing its debt ridden non productive Western and Southern European partners. It will revive the German Russian economic trade sphere which between 1870 and 1914 was one of the world’s most dynamic. Russia for all its faults still has boundless resources and potential. Russia will reincorporate Crimea the way China took Tibet. The West which is in decline cannot prevent it. Ironically Ukraine and Poland will be at the center of this prosperous Central European economic axis.


9 posted on 03/03/2014 7:52:39 PM PST by allendale
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To: annalex

Because Putin recognizes Obama hates the West more than he does.


10 posted on 03/03/2014 7:53:50 PM PST by G Larry (Did You Like That Better?)
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To: annalex

Add me, please.


11 posted on 03/03/2014 7:56:42 PM PST by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: annalex

I think it sounds like the same trash talk from Russia I heard from them 30 years ago. Maybe it’s just me.


12 posted on 03/03/2014 7:59:20 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: annalex
What do you think?

I think the Russians started to to transition from Rule of Man to Rule of Law in 1993, and have made a little progress.

They must be curious as to why the United states transitioned in 1789 and then back again in 1992.

13 posted on 03/03/2014 8:00:10 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: annalex

Nature abhors a vacuum. And the US (under Obama) has left one within the sphere of global power.


14 posted on 03/03/2014 8:01:27 PM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: annalex

I think it’s possible he will take his winnings and go home in order to make our fearless leader look good. Reform in Ukraine will appear to be working at least for the short term. The levers of control for Russia will remain ready to be picked up when needed.


15 posted on 03/03/2014 8:13:14 PM PST by No One Special
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To: annalex

I’ll be interested to see how this pans out with respect to the European currencies and the Dollar. It appears on the face that this could accelerate divesting from them.


16 posted on 03/03/2014 10:30:11 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: dragnet2

Hear, hear!

You’ve nailed it perfectly.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 1:55:28 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: annalex
Every written word is irrelevant if it ignores the truth and the facts:

One third of Moscow is moslems. They pray in the streets and shut down traffic on holidays. Only one mosque and the fight is on to make sure there are no more. Europe is drowning in moslems which are seen as no real threat by the academic elite who know no religon save $$$$$

The dechristianized west ignores how Orthodox Russia plans to deal with the rising tide of moslems. The Clintons created a hell hole in Kosovo when they destroyed Christian Serbia in the name of social justice for moslems (payoffs to the Clintons are ongoing - old story - corruption at the top to sell out the Christian peasants). Without the Orthodox Serbs allied with Russia, you have an open corridor to Europe for an ancient evil - the moslem hordes:

The Kosovo Liberation Army is an Albanian-based Islamic mujahideen force which is listed by the State Department as a terrorist organization. They are funded by European Islamic charities, the Shi'ite theocracy in Iran, al-Qaeda, and the sale of heroin. According to the Geopolitical Observatory of Drugs in Paris, "The KLA has built a vast heroin network that reaches from the opium fields of Pakistan to the black-market arms dealers in Switzerland. They transport $2 billion worth of illegal drugs annually into the heart of Europe.".

18 posted on 03/04/2014 2:12:50 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: annalex
Meanwhile, in the Oval Office...


19 posted on 03/04/2014 4:09:59 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: x_plus_one
Without the Orthodox Serbs allied with Russia, you have an open corridor to Europe for an ancient evil - the moslem hordes:

Well said.

20 posted on 03/04/2014 4:29:22 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: stanne

In a few words: The Russian Federation ruling class counts of their western counterparts to continue to provide then with visas, banking and properties on the French Riviera because the capitalist will sell the rope to his hangman.


21 posted on 03/04/2014 5:25:50 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Putin, ex KGB, measured the resolve of his enemies and determined it lacking

Here is the problem that Ben Judah overlooks. Putin's thinking can be characterized as "fuhrerism". He thinks that the western elite are leaders and measures accordingly. He discovers that they do not have a fire in the belly for democracy, human rights etc., -- and they don't, -- and then he concludes that he can bend them at will. That does not follow: the West is governed not by leaders but by managers that obey their own rules in their official conduct. He may yet get his comeuppance because Europe is not going to tolerate another cynical anschluss, -- they know their lessons from the first one.

22 posted on 03/04/2014 5:31:48 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: dragnet2
Our government can't even balance a budget or control it's own borders

Yeah, but we fight foreign wars and slap nations with sanctions like bitch, and that should be his concern.

23 posted on 03/04/2014 5:33:19 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Savage Beast

The West is all that; sooner or later someone will come and swallow us up. I just doubt this is the time.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 5:34:52 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: allendale
Yes. If Putin has the wisdom to (1) stop his military with the Crimea, (2) negotiate over Crimea with Ukraine at the same time providing guarantees of no further expansion, and (3) keep his military from ugly excesses,-- everyone wins.

Also provided a clean plebiscite shows the Crimea really wants separation from the Ukraine, and then Putin takes what they want. They may want sovereignty, not autonomy in RF.

But this scenario was more likely to succeed before that idiot staged his invasion. Now no one would consider any plebiscite in Crimea clean as it will by under the barrels of Putin's machine guns.

So I think Germany will huff and puff and figure that they cannot deal with Putin within a few months. Sanctions is not an attractive option for them, but it is better than appeasement.

25 posted on 03/04/2014 5:43:53 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: G Larry

But it is not about Obama. NATO will handle it as a European crisis and ask Obama of nothing, because they know he is useless for any endeavor.

You know these things with bright colored wires and wooden blocks sliding on them? You find them in pediatric offices. In NATO they have one, so when Obama shows up they set him in front of it. Obama practices hand to eye coordination, and they can talk in peace.


26 posted on 03/04/2014 5:47:01 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Cyber Liberty

No, not just you. The pattern is classic USSR: Finland or Khalkhin-Gol in 1939 were played with the same thuggishness.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 5:50:39 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Navy Patriot
Russians started to to transition from Rule of Man to Rule of Law in 1993, and have made a little progress

In 1993 they shot up their parliament from tanks, so at that starting point anything will look like progress. The reality is that 1988 - 1991 - 1993 were all stages of mimicry accompanying an economic collapse, and some adjustment to the new realities. The new Soviet man of 1917 has not been driven back.

28 posted on 03/04/2014 5:54:07 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Axenolith; llevrok; No One Special

I agree that the real loser in this, next to Ukraine, will be the US and you pointed out why. This is our punishment for 2008 and 2012.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 5:56:32 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: x_plus_one
how Orthodox Russia plans to deal with the rising tide of moslems

And how, exactly, does it plan to deal with it? I've watched the RF politics for a while and no one seems to do anything about it there, worse than us.

30 posted on 03/04/2014 5:58:37 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Caipirabob

LOL.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 5:59:18 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Now no one would consider any plebiscite in Crimea clean as it will by under the barrels of Putin's machine guns.

Wrong again, but its nice to see you Maidan fan-bois finally waking up to the value of adhering to the democratic process as opposed to mob rule.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 6:06:55 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: dragnet2

Our country doesn’t even have a budget, let alone nor that balances.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 6:07:39 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: annalex

Excellent — but depressing — analysis. Thanks for the flag.


34 posted on 03/04/2014 6:08:44 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

...Europe is not going to tolerate another cynical anschluss, — they know their lessons from the first one.

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I pray you are right, but I fear you are giving Europe too much credit.


35 posted on 03/04/2014 6:18:24 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

...sooner or later someone will come and swallow us up....

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It is happening gradually in a bloodless invasion from Mexico. Add to that all of the mohammedans, who eventually will force the word “bloodless” out of the description.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 6:21:08 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: annalex

We are fighting like hell to make sure some homo can get a wedding cake while our military is putting on cross dressing caberet shows and the author asks why Russia doesn’t fear the west?


37 posted on 03/04/2014 6:50:29 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: dragnet2

The only people who fear the American government are the American people.


38 posted on 03/04/2014 6:54:27 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: annalex
Russian overseers are like the Clintons but maybe more cynical. They have $$$ and are kicking the can down the road to see what the future will bring. The rebirth of Christian Russia is ignored by the dechristianized west and is regarded as an inconvenient footnote by everyone save Christian masses in Russia.

Asking the same questions that live in the minds of Russian citizens, Kremlin bureaucrats and the Putin entourage is key.

How far will the moslem problem go before a breaking point? What about the Orthodox Church - what can they do to sto pthe destruction of western christianity by moslem hordes?

The loudest wildcard is the evangelical movement in Moscow. Evangelicals have the eyes and ears of the upper echelon military, business and government. Evangelicals are the most likely to start internal movements against the status quo of Orthodox Christianity. So far, there is no protestant class in Russia save the miniscule evangelical church. This info is all first person interviews posted on youtube from Russia in the past 3 years.

Will the Maidan movement topple Moscow from the inside before the moslems vote themselves into a nuclear power stance?

Talking TV heads talk about the past and geopolitical realities that disappeared with the berlin wall. It's all about what is going to happen with the pushback against the moslem payoff to take over the western world.

39 posted on 03/04/2014 8:30:12 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: Let's Roll
The only people who fear the American government are the American people.

and the only person to fear American power is the American president.

40 posted on 03/04/2014 9:09:00 AM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: annalex
The new Soviet man of 1917 has not been driven back.

No, he has been driven out.

41 posted on 03/04/2014 9:37:36 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: mac_truck
Wrong again

Why you haven't seen the machine guns displayed on the steps of the parliament building? By the unidentified thugs in military gear? You don't think that is intimidation of the electorate?

42 posted on 03/04/2014 6:11:28 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Bigg Red
I fear you are giving Europe too much credit.

Well, today something worked somewhere because Putin chickened. That is a good thing about him, he's a coward, like any Sov on a government job.

43 posted on 03/04/2014 6:13:42 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Organic Panic

The author does not ask, he is convinced. But I am not convinced and the events today bear me out: Putin was scared and backed off.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 6:15:23 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Here is what a Ukrainian thug looks like


45 posted on 03/04/2014 6:41:06 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: x_plus_one
How far will the moslem problem go before a breaking point? What about the Orthodox Church?

The "moslem problem" does not seem to concern the RF government at all, and the Moscow Patriarchate supports the government in all it does. The militant Muslims are treated as a case-by-case criminal phenomenon (much like Obama); the Muslim enclaves are bought off with generous budget outlays. The endless supply of low-wage central Asian workers in the big cities makes ordinary life intolerable for the plain folks, but the government refuses to even set up a vise regime. If you think our immigration policy is nuts, wait till you study RF's.

no protestant class in Russia

That is right, they are barely noticeable.

Will the Maidan movement topple Moscow from the inside

It will happen if and when the Russian people shake down their Soviet identity en masse. So far there is no evidence of that. Case in point: all these supposedly Russian patriots in Ukrainian lands bring red flags to their rallies and gather -- where else? -- in front of still surviving Lenin statues. The "nationalistic", -- for lack of better word rhetoric in RF is neo-Stalinist: "Kill the fascists", "Death to Banderovci". So is the level of their passion, -- they are barely awake and few people come to rallies. They are apathetic Sovs that wait for someone to fix their problems.

There were ethnic Russians in the Maidan. There are people of Russian origin that cheered it and are genuinely happy that at least the Ukies broke free. Also, a case can be made that Crimea perhaps needs an honest referendum and self-determination. But the statistical Russian looks like this:


Demonstration in Kharkiv (Kharkov) today, stopped in front of the city hall.

Observe: thin crowd, tired, past their prime looks. The Police Department overestimated them; a dozen cops would have been enough. One icon, one Soviet flag (inscribed: "USSR 2.0"), one Russian flag, two Ukrainian flags. A slogan: "Fascism won't pass". A photograph of the Berkut (Yanukovich's militarized police) inscribed "Berkut is the defenders of Ukraine from Fascists". Do they look like a Maidan material to you? They are still fighting WWII.

Entire blog post

Another demonstration:


In front of the German consulate in St. Petersburg. Feel the passion?

Source

46 posted on 03/04/2014 6:59:18 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Navy Patriot
[new Soviet man of 1917] has been driven out.

Observe the new Soviet Man on the photos in my previous post.

47 posted on 03/04/2014 7:01:08 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: mac_truck

That, in contrast, is the flower of the new born nation. God help them.


48 posted on 03/04/2014 7:02:25 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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No, this is the flower of the new born nation...see the difference?


49 posted on 03/04/2014 7:27:14 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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This is indeed a faceless thug without national insignia striking a pose in front of someone clearly not needing his antics. I see the difference. Do you?


50 posted on 03/05/2014 5:26:49 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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