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America Evolving: Six Californias
Poletical ^ | March 2nd, 2014 | T. Carter

Posted on 03/06/2014 8:09:07 PM PST by PingPongChampion

California's unemployment rate hovers around 10% with over 1.5 million members of the labor force without work. The state's debt sits at an astronomical $419 billion and is expected to surpass $420 billion by the end of 2014. As of today's date, California spends $72 billion more than it takes in. Dividing California into six separate states could also result in the state's current debt being divided into more manageable segments. More importantly, dividing California could alleviate the state's looming tax burden.

One of Draper's intentions is to create a new and competitive environment between the six states. Each region of California has its own priorities, such as the south and its concerns about immigration. A competition and division of priorities could solve California's most problematic situations, like aging infrastructure and declining education. According to Draper, each new state could address the problems that are unique to its residents without bearing the burden of improving the state's other regions.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; conservative; gop; hollywood; sixcalifornias
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To: cloudmountain
I find the Mormon bashing on this forum quite disturbing. As a Jew, I could make an argument that Christians are just as strange and weird in their beliefs as you make the Mormons out to be. Every Mormon I have ever met has been nothing but gracious and kind. They are taught from a young age to be self sufficient, prepared, devoted to family, and have a very keen business sense which is more than I can say for the average American. Who cares if they believe Jesus and Lucifer were brothers? You Christians and Mormons believe in hell, that is silly as there is no such thing as hell. Does this disqualify all Christians from getting my vote? Absolutely not, as whether there is or is not a hell makes no difference when deciding who is POTUS. Is there no room here for minor differences in insignificant religious beliefs. Christians and Mormons have far more in common than maybe you care to admit. Romney was by no means perfect or even a conservative. If he had won, maybe, just maybe, if nothing else we would be on a path to monetary and fiscal policy. This does not disqualify his obvious faults and I'm not gonna make the argument excusing them either. All I am saying is Romney was a far better human being than the sub human piece of garbage we have now.

Just for the record I wanted Palin, Cain, or Bachmann in 2012. Although Gingrich is an incredibly flawed big govt Republican, I wanted him in the debates against Barry Soetero to expose him in front of the entire world as the complete phony and fabricated know nothing fraud we all know him to be as Newt can sound like a true conservative when he wants to.

In all seriousness, those of us that stayed at home in 2012 secured all 3 branches of government to the DemocRATS for the foreseeable future. I predict we will lose the House in 2014 and the White House in 2016. Soetero has succeeded in creating a dependent majority underclass.

Back to the point, all people of faith need to band together to defeat Muslims, atheists, radical homosexuals(obviously I am not one of these), environmentalists, scientologists, communists, nazis, socialists, greens, and democrats. (I know socialists, greens, communists, and nazis all = democrats as there is no difference).

So how about we limit our bashing to those that would subjugate us and not base that assumption on things that don't matter like wearing special underwear.

21 posted on 03/06/2014 10:24:25 PM PST by TheArizona
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To: PingPongChampion

Draper is brilliant but, this idea is looney.

Cept when you think of how he would benefit from the whole thing.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 1:57:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DoughtyOne

We’re number 8 and nuttin’s gonna change dat...


23 posted on 03/07/2014 1:58:22 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Yogafist

I’m checking out as well.

I think I’ll go to Nevada.

I’ll save 9+% in taxes and for the money I make that ain’t chump change and will pay for more toys.

My brother is considering the same thing.

We’ll only be 4 hours, by car, from anywhere I want to be..


24 posted on 03/07/2014 2:00:45 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

If this happens, Odumbo’s going to get his 57 states and more. He can then brag about his accomplishments and say it was always part of his plan for “Change”.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 5:02:49 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Life’s tough but, I just learned that the woman who has damned near killed a good friend is here from Mexico.

Now, it’s trite or gauche to say this but, I just learned that illegal alien made an illegal and hasty U-turn in front of my friend.

Mind you he was wearing a helmet, while riding his motorcycle.

He was pronounced, as of yesterday, to be at Maximum Medical Improvement.

That is: he is awake as much as 35 minutes a day, cannot speak or move, his doctors have diagnosed that he will live like this the rest of his life..

She had no license, her car wasn’t tagged, she is here illegally, she pretended not to speak English afterward and the Pièce de résistance?

NO INSURANCE!!!!

She did receive a ticket for an illegal turn though.


26 posted on 03/07/2014 8:23:39 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Progov

FK’d up.

Any American who did this would be in jail, their car impounded and a lawsuit would ensue.

Nothing will happen to this protected class, who has supra rights over a citizen of the United States.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 8:25:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cloudmountain

Your understanding matches mine. I can’t agree with that.

Jesus was a part of the Holy Trinity.

God the Father
The Son of God Jesus
The Holy Spirit

I may not quite grasp how Jesus was God’s Son, but I am told that He was and I accept it.

There are a number of things I expect to ask about and have explained to me in heaven regarding religion.

My take on all this is that there are probably fine people of many different religions. They may not believe as you and I do on religion, by they have high moral fiber and are living up to what they believe in.

As long as they do have high moral fiber, and don’t believe in something that would destroy Christianity in the process, I could vote for them.

As for Romney, the guy was just too much of a go along to get along guy for me. Having said that, just about 250 million adult humans would have been better than the idiot stick we have in there now.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 2:58:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!! Not worth it to ME.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 6:52:51 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: TheArizona
all people of faith need to band together to defeat Muslims, atheists, radical homosexuals(obviously I am not one of these), environmentalists, scientologists, communists, nazis, socialists, greens, and democrats. (I know socialists, greens, communists, and nazis all = democrats as there is no difference).

Why do ALL PEOPLE of faith have to defeat Muslims? ALL Muslims? Are ALL Muslims to be condemned? I would HATE to see the wonderful Saudi folks I worked with DEFEATED because of your hatred of AN ENTIRE people whose faith you deprecate.

Do we have to defeat AMERICAN Muslims too? The world is now 6+ BILLION people and only a third of ONE billion Arabs in the world, all Muslims of course. So, MOST Muslims are not Arabs, but are THEY also condemned outright? All the women, children, holy men, EVERYONE?

Sounds ... well, never mind, you get my drift. Shame on you.

30 posted on 03/07/2014 7:15:44 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: DoughtyOne
Your understanding matches mine. I can’t agree with that.
Jesus was a part of the Holy Trinity.
God the Father
The Son of God Jesus
The Holy Spirit
I may not quite grasp how Jesus was God’s Son, but I am told that He was and I accept it.

NO ONE can "grasp" Jesus. We accept Him because we have the God-given gift of faith.
I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky to be gifted so.

There are a number of things I expect to ask about and have explained to me in heaven regarding religion.
I have several questions for our Lord as well.

My take on all this is that there are probably fine people of many different religions. They may not believe as you and I do on religion, by they have high moral fiber and are living up to what they believe in.
As long as they do have high moral fiber, and don’t believe in something that would destroy Christianity in the process, I could vote for them.

The high moral fiber is the crux of it all. ALL civilizations have this high moral fiber as their goal. They may not all live up to it, but I acquit those civilizations of deliberate malice.

As for Romney, the guy was just too much of a go along to get along guy for me. Having said that, just about 250 million adult humans would have been better than the idiot stick we have in there now.
"the idiot stick"??
Lol. You have NAILED it yet again. Bravo!

31 posted on 03/07/2014 7:47:11 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Islam demands conversion or death of all non believers. While there may be a few so called “moderates”, the goal of Islam is the same as any nazi, communist, socialist, democrat, or any other totalitarian ideology, the complete subjugation of every man, woman, and child to be exploited to serve the evil purposes of an elite few.

Shame on yourself.


32 posted on 03/07/2014 9:01:54 PM PST by TheArizona
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To: cloudmountain
Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!!

How would you be able to tell?

33 posted on 03/07/2014 9:38:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: TheArizona

Damn well said, that. Thank you.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 9:43:25 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: TheArizona
Islam demands conversion or death of all non believers. While there may be a few so called “moderates”, the goal of Islam is the same as any nazi, communist, socialist, democrat, or any other totalitarian ideology, the complete subjugation of every man, woman, and child to be exploited to serve the evil purposes of an elite few.

You are so wrong. My husband and I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and we worked with Saudis for all five years.

NEVER once was I told to convert to Islam. NEVER once was it EVER suggested to me to convert.

In fact, we had a priest, vicar (for the six Anglicans on camp) and Protestant minister (for all the various Protestant denominations) living on our camp. They were officially called "special teachers." THAT is where I picked up the habit of DAILY MASS....imagine.
My co-worker (Harry, an Indian Catholic) got very annoyed with me for going to Sunday 9:00 A.M. Mass because it cut into my work day...EVEN THOUGH I made up the time during my lunch hour. The "holy day" was Friday so all "Sunday" services were on Friday, except the Catholic one because Catholics have DAILY Mass. So, my co-worker told on me to my Saudi boss. I will never forget what Mohammad Hussein said:

He said: "Harry, God is number one. There is always time for God. Mary (not my real name) can go to pray any time she wants to."

Hah, I don't know WHOSE jaw dropped open farther or faster, Harry's or mine. So I did attend Sunday Mass, and since I was ALLOWED to, I went to DAILY Mass. It's a habit I still have today, 30 years later. Thank you, Mohammad Hussein! NOT ONE SINGLE SAUDI thought I should be a Muslim. We WERE "people of the Book," and were therefore acceptable.

Jews were also people of the Book. We had a Jewish physical therapist in the KSA. The HINDUS weren't welcome in Saudi Arabia because they weren't people of the Book (the Bible, of course), only Indians of the Book.

So PLEASE try not to paint ALL Muslims with your anti-Muslim paint brush! Thanks.

35 posted on 03/08/2014 3:36:28 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Michael.SF.
MY WORDS: Breaking up the state would cause CHAOS!!

YOUR WORDS: How would you be able to tell?

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Lol. My, my, do I detect a bit of an ANTI-California attitude here?
*Snowed in again, are you?
**Having to use your snow bank as a refrigerator again?
***Car won't start?
****Found a hole in your mitten?
*****Hot chocolate too weak?

It's a beautiful day here in California (Bay Area) but then, you probably GUESSED that.

I don't even HAVE a parka, mittens, snow boots, snow hat or cap, whatever you call it, and my cars ALWAYS start. BRRRRRRRR!!!

36 posted on 03/08/2014 3:48:17 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
SF = San Francisco

I am third generation Californian (grandmother from Rutherford, Grandfather from Tulare).

I have lived in the Bay Area for the past 22 years (until six months ago).

Today, I type this pool side, just having planted my tomatoes.

37 posted on 03/08/2014 4:07:31 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I am third generation Californian (grandmother from Rutherford, Grandfather from Tulare).
I have lived in the Bay Area for the past 22 years (until six months ago).
Today, I type this pool side, just having planted my tomatoes.

Well, as they say, YOU HAVE IT MADE IN THE SHADE.

We grew tomatoes (green onions and lettuce) in our back yard in San Francisco, in half barrels. My husband MADE these nifty wire protectors, like a "hat" for the half barrel to protect the tomatoes from ALL living creatures: bugs, snails, birds, skunks, raccoons, and back then, even a few deer in the woods (in our city green belt) across the street.

Our back yard faced DUE SOUTH and had protection from all wind. There was ALWAYS plenty of light.

Any kind of onion is GREAT to grow. There's not an animal alive that will eat onions: PURE human food.

38 posted on 03/08/2014 4:23:35 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I will paint all Islam with a broad brush as their book the quran demands either I convert to Islam or be killed or live under its subjugation. I don’t give a rats ass if individual followers of Islam don’t act upon this on their own. If a mullah or some other Islamic authority figure ordered them to do so they would carry it out.

Lets not forget our light hearted banter began with you painting all Mormons with a broad brush. But no where in their book does it say to execute those unwilling to convert. They do have an aggressive recruiting/conversion program as do most if not all the various Christian sects. Jews do not seek to recruit or convert. Either way the alternative to conversion is not death with Mormons and Christians. The only alternatives to Islam are to become one, be subjugated by them, die, or defeat them. Quran 8:39, 9:29, 9:5, 9:11, 9:56, 9:57. The verses above prove my point

Islam is not a religion, it is a blood thirsty ideology like any other form of totalitarianism.

I find your vigorous defense of Islam troubling and your condemnation of Mormons equally troubling.


39 posted on 03/09/2014 8:53:38 AM PDT by TheArizona
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