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David Jolly defeats Alex Sink in Florida 13th (Early test case of Obamacare)
Politico ^ | 03/11/2013 | By ALEX ISENSTADT

Posted on 03/11/2014 5:46:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republican David Jolly narrowly defeated Democrat Alex Sink in the special election for Florida’s 13th District on Tuesday in an expensive race watched closely by both parties as the midterm election season kicks into high gear.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Jolly beat Sink 48.5 percent to 46.6 percent, according to The Associated Press.

Both Democrats and the GOP plowed millions of dollars into the swing district race in hopes of an election year boost. The results appeared to vindicate the strategy of the GOP, which focused its attacks on linking Sink to Obamacare and managed to win with an untested candidate that many in the national party had grown frustrated with.

Sink was “ultimately brought down because of her unwavering support for Obamacare, and that should be a loud warning for other Democrats running coast to coast,” National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden said in a statement.

Democrats countered that Sink had done fairy well considering the climate, and noted that another vote for the seat is just a few months away.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; alexsik; congress; davidjolly; fl2014; florida
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To: sten

Social liberalism leads to big government, so libertarian = big government.

Social decay creates liberal voters who vote for what they want, and can take.


41 posted on 03/11/2014 7:41:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Jolly and Sink. This all sounds like a bad Bill Clinton re-run.

Mister Mustard in the oral office sink with a cuban cigar.

42 posted on 03/11/2014 7:43:51 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorrist savages, everywhere.)
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To: sten
Take your Libertarian energy into the GOP.

Yeah, the GOPe has failed miserably. So help us take off the "e" and don't use your vote to automatically give the government to the Socialists and Communists ... who are the upper reaches of the Democrat Party.

Think. The Democrat Party in its lower orders is an American Party. However, its leadership and strategy are firmly in the hands of "intellectuals" who are committed to a fundamental revolution against the Republic. Indirectly, and for frankly the best of reasons, the Libertarians are inadvertently helping them overthrow the American way of life. Think. That is why George Soros directly or indirectly funds Libertarian (and other anti-Republican Party) campaigns.

Yeah the GOP is bad, OK? But what GOP fat cat, establishment, RINO, or whateva is going to appoint a Van Jones, or that MF who defended Moumia? (Or live with his catamite in the White House?)

Seems to me that Libertarians and Establishment Republicans are making the same mistake about the Democrat Party. The Democrat ideology is NOT something to get along with as the RINOs do. Much less is it something to help place in power through internecine political struggles.

Ross Perot was right. BFD. All he managed to do was derail George H.W. Bush, replacing a good President with an SOB like crooked, coked-out Bill Clinton.

Think. Had the Libertarian done better today, you would have Sink in Congress tonight. Does that strike you as a good thing?

43 posted on 03/11/2014 7:56:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

What “two party” system? The “hard right” party of W that brought us No Child Left Behind, expansion of Medicare, debtzilla a near collapse of the financial markets and almost amnesty? And I liked/voted W, but let’s be real. Today, we have hardcore leftists, and those that pretend not to be leftists, save a small minority in the House and a few Senators. The “two party” system has failed us, including the millenials. My kids’ generation (early 20’s) don’t want anything to do with establishment Rs. They are conservative and tired of McCain, Romney, Graham, Ryan, Cantor, Boehner, etc., etc. Time the Rs figure out how to take some of the Libertarian ideas and run with them...you know, the ones like freedom, liberty, smaller government, less taxes and restrictions.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 8:49:16 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: SeekAndFind

Fairy well?


45 posted on 03/11/2014 9:46:10 PM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Kenny Bunk
Yes, we agree.

High white turn out, low non-white turn out is traditional in off year elections.

Also, whites have the highest voter eligibility, usually close to 80%.

Hispanics often have less than 40% eligible voters, usually because of citizenship and age issues.

Blacks have around 70% eligibility.

I will speculate that felony convictions play a significant part in that number.

46 posted on 03/11/2014 9:51:03 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SeekAndFind

The fact is Jolly will never, ever vote against ACA, will he?


47 posted on 03/12/2014 12:40:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Kenny Bunk

you seem to think the RINOs aren’t progressives. they are.

the RINOs along with the GOPe and a majority of the GOP are pro big govt... just like the entire left.

you want the votes of libertarians? then start adhering to the founding concepts of the republican party. mainly, small, de-centralized govt is the best govt.

until then... they’re all the same. working to expand their little empires of other people’s money


48 posted on 03/12/2014 4:49:34 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ansel12

by definition, libertarians require small govt.

if you think otherwise, you’re misinformed.


49 posted on 03/12/2014 4:51:16 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Viennacon

NOT a “lean Democrat” district. Obamacare was on the ballot, remember? And NOBODY is indifferent on that monstrosity.


50 posted on 03/12/2014 5:35:25 AM PDT by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: sten
RINOs along with the GOPe and a majority of the GOP are pro big govt... just like the entire left.

Well duh? Of course they are Progressives, and they make lucrative pacts with those on the Left.

But, IMNVHO, you "Libertarians" are sort of like post-Reformation Protestants, replacing the corrupt establishment church with a plethora of ideological POVs and smaller establishments that can tolerate no other, and just as oppressive as the original establishment, just more chaotic and disorganized, and with fewer resources.

Of course, it is much harder for those trying to reform the corrupt GOP from within, or replace it, when the defection of your votes are placing the forces of "Satan" in charge.

Best be careful we don't kill the Republic for your right to be right.

51 posted on 03/12/2014 7:12:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: ripnbang

ping


52 posted on 03/12/2014 7:15:35 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: sten

By definition the libertarians are at war with social conservatism, conservatism, traditional America, God, politics which makes small government impossible, because the broken culture, broken communities, broken nation, broken people, vote for more government and more liberalism.

If you think otherwise, you really are in capable of seeing reality.


53 posted on 03/12/2014 9:41:31 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Kenny Bunk

So they are like Protestant Christians, and will create the greatest, most free nation that has ever existed, and will even in modern times, vote against the democrat party and always vote republican? You might want to try another approach.


54 posted on 03/12/2014 9:44:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Protestant Christians, .... create the greatest, most free nation that has ever existed,

You and I agree. However, historically you may be overlooking the basic Presbyterian-Anglican theological shootout that was a feature of colonial and post-colonial America.

Never one to sell the Calvinist work ethic short, it is still only fair to point out that the Congregationalists of the Massachusetts Bay Colony were not what I would call tolerant of other schools of theology. E.G., whipping Quakers naked through the streets, pillorying the odd Anglican, and exiling the Baptists and Unitarians to Maine. Check out Roger Williams, Anne Hutchison, etc. They maybe had a 10% difference with the Congregationalists and were exiled. Thank goodness America had at least graduated from burning heretics at the stake ... still happening on all sides of the theological divides in contemporary Europe!

In the Bay Colony, you had the choice of toeing the Congo Line, keeping a very low profile, or leaving. In the Protestant world, one can find a church for every shade of thought, opinion, church structure, and biblical interpretation. There is, IMNVHO, a political analogy here. If one wants to be in a political party that adheres 100% to one's school of political philosophy, let me recommend multi-party France or Italy, or some other Euro outfit that has proportional representation in a parliamentary government. In those countries, one can find a political party for every shade of political thought.

As screwed up as the American Two-Party, Win-Lose System* is right now, IMNVHO, it would not be improved by embracing a Three-Party System.

*Again IMNVHO, the problem we both see is that the Two-Party System has left us with what is in effect, a One-Party System, the incumbent government party, with a Center Left Wing, and a Center Right Wing. In this environment, can the Libertarians win an election? I fear the answer is going to be "NO." What they can, and have done (see VA) is tilt the whole rotten cart to the Left, by weakening the Right.

My question: "Is that a good idea?" IMNVHO, it would be healthier to strengthen the Right by staying in the GOP and fighting for better candidates. Your question is probably going to be, "Yabut, given the financial and other strengths of the GOPe, can that actually happen?"

Wish TF I really knew! In the meantime, I truly believe that the country as we know it cannot survive Democrat power and am unwilling to risk handing it to them.

55 posted on 03/12/2014 12:05:28 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

As clear as mud.


56 posted on 03/12/2014 12:13:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Last chance:

Would Florida be better off with Alix Sink in the seat, or Mr. Jolly?

57 posted on 03/12/2014 12:15:43 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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