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The Lois Lerner Defense (Mark Steyn)
SteynOnline ^ | 3-11-2014 | Mark Steyn - Commentary

Posted on 03/11/2014 8:20:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing

March 11, 2014

The Lois Lerner Defense

Mark Steyn

....The IRS is corrupt, and should be abolished, and replaced by an agency with far fewer powers. Instead, Republicans dither ineffectually. In Congress last week, IRS fall girl Lois Lerner took the Fifth again. That's her right, of course, and very prudent given the malicious and selective prosecutions of a corrupt Justice Department. But in my column below I quote Walter Williams observing that every single US tax-filer signs away his Fifth Amendment rights every April 15th. My piece was written last May, when the scandal broke. It ended with some advice that self-respecting American citizens ought to try the Lois Lerner Defense when the IRS comes a-callin'. Ten months on, it's more pertinent than ever: ....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
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1 posted on 03/11/2014 8:20:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

So what’s the story with Steyn and NRO? If they fired him I’m through with them, if they drove him to quit I might be.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 8:31:32 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: smoothsailing

Great BFL


3 posted on 03/11/2014 8:35:21 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: smoothsailing
he BEST way to curb the IRS excesses is to repeal every amendment to the Constitution that was passed in the 20th Century.
One or maybe two could then be revisited. Then we could look at the consequences of the amendment and know if it should be passed again.
4 posted on 03/11/2014 8:40:48 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: smoothsailing

5 posted on 03/11/2014 8:40:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jocon307

The last I read, Mark is still writing columns for NR magazine, but is not doing pieces for NRO. I think that was early February.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 9:07:02 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Huh. That’s because of the fight with that little schmmuck they’ve got working there. That website is falling apart. they didn’t even have the results of that FL special election on the Corner, long after it was posted here.

Well, I think this steyn thing sounds like a big ruse to get people to take the magazine.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 9:12:17 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: JLS

Steyn ping!


8 posted on 03/11/2014 9:12:29 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: jocon307

He is credited for the “Happy Warrior” section in the March 10th issue of the magazine.

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/issues/371540


9 posted on 03/11/2014 9:12:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Man, that is one punishing piece.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 9:21:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Carry_Okie

It certainly is. I missed it when it was first published last May. Glad I stumbled across it today.


11 posted on 03/11/2014 9:26:03 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: jocon307

I think you may be right. I used to subscribe to the magazine. After Lowry took over and then Buckley died, I finally gave up on it. A real shame. NR was something I used to look forward to finding in my mailbox.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 9:31:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tupelo

The 27th should be ok, having been written in the 18th century. The 25th may be ok. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THE 22ND. Do we want Obama shooting for Dingell’s record?


13 posted on 03/11/2014 9:44:33 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: smoothsailing
Guest-hosting for Rush on Monday, I took a call from Patricia in Indiana, who's just received notice from the IRS that she's going to be audited for her 2013 taxes. Which she hasn't filed yet. Because they're not due until April 15th.

So she's being preemptively pre-audited. It's like the tax collector's version of Philip K Dick's "thought crime": Just in case she's thinking of claiming a refund in a month's time, they need to nip it in the bud now. What could possibly set off such alarm bells? Patricia said she and her husband had an entirely normal, boring tax profile - but they had made a small donation to Mitt Romney. Next it will be the TSA showing up at the door for your secondary patdown even though you've no plans to fly anywhere.

This government is breathtakingly lawless.

14 posted on 03/11/2014 9:49:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: smoothsailing
That's her right, of course,

True, but just like 'every single US tax-filer signs away his Fifth Amendment rights every April 15th', once waived, that Right cannot be taken back or retroactively affected.

Lerner could either testify or not, but she has no legal right to take the stand to state her innocence THEN plead the fifth - once on the stand, she was obligated to answer.

Arrest her for contempt of court and toss her in a dark, rat infested hole.

15 posted on 03/12/2014 5:44:03 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

LOCKER UP - THAT'LL LERNER!!!

;-)

16 posted on 03/12/2014 9:03:02 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tupelo; Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...

The BEST way to “curb IRS excesses” is to replace the income tax with the FairTax and ABOLISH the IRS!

When that is done, we can stop complaining! Until then, we have to complain, and VERY LOUDLY!

Go to http://www.fairtax.org to help us replace the income tax with the FairTax and abolish the IRS.


17 posted on 03/12/2014 9:50:05 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman
How do you abolish the IRS without repealing the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, passed in 1913?
Without repealing the 16th, even if we get a fair tax through Congress and signed by some future President, the IRS is still there via the 16th. AND Congress has a Constitutional right to impose an income tax on top of any Fair Tax. As I said, repeal every amendment passed in the 20th Century. Once that is done, we can revisit one or two.
18 posted on 03/12/2014 10:01:11 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: smoothsailing
LOCKER UP - THAT'LL LERNER!!!

LOLOLOLOL!

You seriously just made me regret checking FR while eating a sandwich .... what a mess! :-)

19 posted on 03/12/2014 11:00:31 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

OOPS! 8^)


20 posted on 03/12/2014 11:58:07 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

HANG HER! That’s the sign I am putting on my car.
HANG LOIS LERNER OR DON”T PAY YOUR TAXES!

watch for me in CA.


21 posted on 03/12/2014 12:05:06 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Tupelo

This is an old, and, to my mind, a tired argument.

The 16th Amendment ALLOWS an income tax! It does not REQUIRE an income tax. It does not REQUIRE an IRS. In fact, the IRS existed before there was an income tax. It is a government invention, and is not mandated by the 16th Amendemnt.

So, we can replace the income tax with the FairTax and abolish the IRS with regular order legislation.

Repealing the 16th Amendment requires more votes in each House and positive votes by 3/4 of the states. That will take a bit longer.

It is best to rid ourselves of the income tax and the IRS and then rid ourselves of the 16th Amendment.

Your point that we could wind up with both an income tax and the FairTax is well taken. HST, nothing in present law prevents that FRom happening tomorrow, except taxpayer outrage and rebellion.

BUT, the American people will not react well to such a move by Congress, and would quickly, IMHO, cause such laws to be repealed.

Likewise, when FairTax is implemented, the legislation calls for abolishing the IRS two years after FairTax legislation is signed into law.

The economic and FReedom benefits of the FairTax are so significant that any attempt to reinstate the income tax would be met with massive resistance.


22 posted on 03/12/2014 2:21:17 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman; Tupelo

All that Taxman says above is true but the actual fact is that income taxes have always been legal under the Constitution! If you carefully read the 16th amendment you will see that all it actually did was allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census. It exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in the court case of Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co. (1895).

Text of the 16th amendment:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”


23 posted on 03/12/2014 4:31:53 PM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: smoothsailing

Steyn nails it as usual.


24 posted on 03/12/2014 5:03:50 PM PDT by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Bigun

Thanks for the clarification, Bigun.

As usual, you are RIGHT!


25 posted on 03/12/2014 5:32:13 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Tupelo

I don’t see anything in the 16th that requires an “Internal Revenue Service.” I may have read the readers digest version. If you have a flat or fair tax, just let the IRS monitor that. Get rid of all the law enforcement and Obamacare stuff.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 5:38:12 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

Any type of income tax requires an IRS.

FairTax does not require an IRS — the FairTax will collected and remitted by retailers to their respective state sales tax agency, just like the state sales tax is collected and remitted.

Federal oversight of state sales tax agencies is a given, but that agency will have no contact with any individual about his or her tax situation — it will only deal with state sales tax agencies.


27 posted on 03/12/2014 9:01:30 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

Did not mean to imply it would.

Some one can work the details. I don’t care what they name the agency.


28 posted on 03/12/2014 9:10:14 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

I don’t care what they name it either. What is important is that average, everyday, non-retail business owning US Citizens will have no contact with ANY federal tax agent.

And, retail business owners will only have to deal with state tax collectors. States will deal with the Feds.

The intent of all conservatives should be to get the government off our back and out of out pockets!

FairTax is but one effort to do that and restore a measure of FReedom to all Americans.

There are others.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 3:27:36 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

Let’s roll


30 posted on 03/13/2014 5:48:05 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

Go to http://www.fairtax.org to help us roll!


31 posted on 03/13/2014 8:57:56 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

Thanx


32 posted on 03/14/2014 7:04:57 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

You are most welcome.


33 posted on 03/14/2014 12:38:29 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows


34 posted on 03/15/2014 2:45:39 PM PDT by JLS
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To: smoothsailing

That be an ugly b!+c# right there.


35 posted on 03/15/2014 3:07:59 PM PDT by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: OKSooner

inside and out


36 posted on 03/15/2014 3:44:44 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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