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Copper Is In Full Meltdown Mode Again In Shanghai (Dr Copper)
BI ^ | 3-12-2014 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 03/11/2014 10:04:27 PM PDT by blam

Copper Is In Straight Up Meltdown Mode Again In Shanghai

Joe Weisenthal
Mar. 11, 2014, 9:22 PM

Copper prices — which are often seen as a proxy for the Chinese economy, if not the entire global economy — have been getting crushed.

And they're in full meltdown mode tonight.

Via Deirdre Wang Morris, here's the chart of Shanghai Copper prices limit down.


(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; commodities; copper; economy
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1 posted on 03/11/2014 10:04:29 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 03/11/2014 10:05:49 PM PDT by blam
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Copper has more to do with weak Chinese exports *and* China’s shadow banking system that will sometimes use copper as collateral, or as a hedge.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 10:08:36 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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Building a Faraday cage in my garage just got cheaper!


4 posted on 03/11/2014 10:18:27 PM PDT by jcon40
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Now what am I going to do with all these pennies??


5 posted on 03/11/2014 10:18:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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China has used copper as lower cost valuable metals substitute for gold and silver .

As such they have created a bubble in copper similar to what we have seen in gold and silver prices.

Copper has no real precious metal value like silver or gold, and it’s value is really as an industrial metal.

The highly inflated cost of copper has had a negative impact economically and the general slowing of the economy is killing industrial demand for copper at any price.

Basic supply and demand is taking over and the inflated bubble price of copper is dropping to economically sustainable prices via classical supply and demand

A lot of people are going to find out you cannot back a currency reserve with copper, much to their dismay


6 posted on 03/11/2014 10:20:04 PM PDT by rdcbn
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Has this large a divergence between DrCop and stock indexes ever before occurred? (I mean over the last year(s)) Stocks would seem to have a long way to go to catch up (or down).


7 posted on 03/11/2014 10:21:09 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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Sucks for me and all that brass I have been collecting.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 10:22:04 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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“Now what am I going to do with all these pennies??”

the real copper ones were at the break even point if you melted them when copper hit 43 cent a pound.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 10:23:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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I’ll still make money on the brass that is loaded.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 10:24:20 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: Kartographer
"Now what am I going to do with all these pennies??"

Ha, ha.
(and my nickels)

Their time will come.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 10:28:41 PM PDT by blam
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I read another article, which I can't find, that the big problem is that serious collaterial on many millions/billions in loans is missing (sold). Now loans are beginning to be defaulted on.

Anyway....

The Nikkei Gets Slammed, And It's A Sea Of Red In Asia

The Nikkei is down 2.1% to 14,902, as a strong yen weighed on stocks, and on profit taking. "The Nikkei is down 2% as risk aversion radiates and propagates from China to Asia," Societe Generale's Sebastien Galy wrote in an email to clients.

12 posted on 03/11/2014 10:38:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Okay. Here's the article about the collateral:

"Magic" Collateral: A Frank Look At The Sheer Credit Horror About To Be Unleashed In China

13 posted on 03/11/2014 10:40:34 PM PDT by blam
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Drill a hole in them and use them as washers. Cheaper than washers.


14 posted on 03/11/2014 10:41:43 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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It’ll likely unleash another wave of short-term currency distortion favoring the dollar, seriously. I’ve been watching this stuff since late 2007 and this will make the fourth time. Flight to safety, part of the reason why Nikkei has done so poorly very recently, they don’t want a strong Yen but are getting a strong Yen, which weighs negatively upon exports.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 10:49:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Maybe now the tweekers will stop stealing all the copper wire out of the streetlights


16 posted on 03/11/2014 10:58:45 PM PDT by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesnÂ’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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To: Kartographer

Doesn’t matter, They are almost all zinc.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 11:01:12 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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"Doesn’t matter, They are almost all zinc."

No Ours.

Melt Value Of Coins

Penny: 1909-1982 = 95% copper.

Penny: 1982-2014 Cent (97.5% zinc) *

18 posted on 03/11/2014 11:07:52 PM PDT by blam
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They won’t go below $1.47-$1.53/lb (depending on wear) :-)


19 posted on 03/11/2014 11:38:42 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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Pre 1982 Cu, or sorted 1982’s of course (Cu ones)...


20 posted on 03/11/2014 11:41:31 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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