BREAKING: ATF Raids Ares Armor In Direct Violation of Court Issued Restraining Order

Gunssavelives.net ^ | MARCH 15 2014 | Dan Cannon

[South40]

We’ve always said that a restraining order is just a piece of paper. Usually we’re referring to defensive gun uses when we say that. However, in this case we have the government violating a restraining order issued by… the government.

As we reported earlier this week, the ATF has demanded that Ares Armor, along with some other vendors, turn over their customer records in relation to an 80% lower that may have actually been a firearm under law. Ares agreed to stop selling the product in question as well as turn over their stock to the ATF, however they refused to provide their customer records.

Fearing a raid by the ATF after the refusal, Ares sought a restraining in order against the ATF in court. They were granted a restraining order, and both sides were supposed to show up in court next week. However, the ATF didn’t like that one bit. So, what did they do? Oh, just violated the crap out of that restraining order and raided Ares anyway.

[Psalm 144]

Actually they went to FEMA. This is a new crop of einsatzgruppenfuhrers.

[Psalm 144]

Be bound tactically. Otherwise...

[LachlanMinnesota]

I read somewhere that the ATF went back into court for a clarification of the order, and that thereafter, they were permitted to execute a search warrant.

I read that the hearing for same was ex parte.

What gives when counsel is known? Not even a telephone conference for a clarification?

[Still Thinking]

I thought it was National City as opposed to Oceanside.

[Still Thinking]

I think the ATF will contend that the receiver is more then 80 percent complete because the void space for the trigger/safety was already complete and filled with another polymer plastic.

1) I believe that is in fact what they're contending.

2) According to Ares, EP foresaw that ATF might say that, and molds the receiver AROUND the plug, so that there is never a moment that the receiver exists as a standalone entity. According to Ares, ATF was made aware of their misconception and forged ahead anyway, as if their idea were correct, as opposed to bullshit.

[logi_cal869]

I read that somewhere, too, but their website lists their address as ‘Oceanside’.

208 N Freeman St
Oceanside, California 92054

So does Google. I think it was a erroneous headline here on FR...that’s all that comes up in a search of Ares Armor National City.

[Still Thinking]

I had read that Ares had some facility in Oceanside, but supposedly the friction over the sign and the municipal Nazis telling them they “didn’t approve” of them or of guns and that they should cease business or risk jail (how’s that for muni megalomania — their whims and preferences can be enforced just like actual laws!) was the city of National City. A fight with that city could certainly have led to a BATF raid of another facility owned by the company.

[RginTN]

Holder was one of the leaders of the Waco debacle,

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that explains the fast and furious debacle!

[Mark17]

Holder was one of the leaders of the Waco debacle

In other words, Holder is a walking debacle. He is also a POS MoFo.

[I want the USA back]

Who will prosecute them? The “justice” department which has deliberately broken the law and continues to do so?

[logi_cal869]

Then I’m confused, as I’d swear Mayor Jim Wood was the one that went to the facility with the sign. I’ll have to go double check when I have time tonight.

[jospehm20]

I used to hope we, the people, could straighten government out with no violence.

[Rodamala]

illegaly obtained evidence cannot be used as evidence...

Not anymore

[usmcobra]

I believe one is the head of the Justice department these days...

Eric Holder...

[Atlas Sneezed]

I think the ATF will contend that the receiver is more then 80 percent complete because the void space for the trigger/safety was already complete and filled with another polymer plastic.

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Except that the frame is molded AROUND the pre-existing plugs.

[RandallFlagg]

Yup.
Fishing expedition.

[logi_cal869]

Eh...I hadn't read that they had 2 locations. It's obvious in Google street view. Whatever I was watching/reading last night got me sidetracked on 'Oceanside'.

National City, CA Councilmembers:

MAYOR RON MORRISON
VICE MAYOR LUIS "Louie" NATIVIDAD
COUNCILMEMBER JERRY CANO
COUNCILMEMBER MONA RIOS
COUNCILMEMBER ALEJANDRA SOTELO-SOLIS

I took a quick look (no time today):

Alejandra Sotelo-Solis had a failed bid for Mayor and has the support of many progressive orgs & unions. My $$ would be on her and that, had she won, National City would be on the MAIG member list.

[Bogey78O]

What prevents him from making fake sales receipts? What if he shows 10 receiver blanks shipped to Adam Gadahn at Dianne Feinstein’s house?

I think at that point it would be only fair they raided the premises to ensure that a known terrorist did not receive them.

[RandallFlagg]

David Codrea emailed me while I was at the Tanner Gun Show this morning.
He’s going to be updating folks on Tom Gresham’s GunTalk Radio (At 3:30 Eastern), and Mark Walters’s Armed American Radio (Later that afternoon/evening).

http://www.guntalk.com/site39.php
http://armedamericanradio.org/

[Redcloak]

There are two lessons to be learned here:

1. Don't buy an 80% lower without a copy of the ATF letter stating that the hunk-o-plastic or hunk-o-7075 is not a firearm. Why not? Because...
2. The government doesn't follow its own rules.

The ATF letter and a restraining order are only government issued pieces of paper; but, the former is a government issued piece of paper saying that you can do something, not one saying that they can't do something. When the tell themselves "don't do that", they have no problem changing their minds and saying to themselves "oh... all right... go ahead". This wouldn't be a problem except that their courts will look the other way and let them. In the case of the ATF letter, the courts are a little less flexible. For reasons that I really can't explain, they still take the issue of entrapment seriously.

So now that I think about it, there's a third lesson:

3. Whenever someone tells you "Get the government issued letter for that first", pay cash.