Posted on 03/16/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - Speaking on Vatican Radio, the German theologian said that "I propose a path that goes beyond strictness and leniency."
Finding a medium between these extremes "isn't against morality, it isn't against doctrine, but rather, (is meant) to support a realistic application of doctrine to the current situation of the great majority of people and to contribute to people's happiness," he said.
Prayer, fasting and almsgiving.
Referring to a lengthy talk he gave last month entitled "Gospel of the Family," the talk will be published in March in German and Italian by private publishing houses.
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They were married over 10 years. My sister worked hard at it, but was becoming frightened of him. He was getting violent and saying nonsensical things. In addition, she was heading an OSI detachment and when she lead the security team for Roslyn Carter on Carter’s visit to Maine, the Secret Service showed her his letters to the President. We’re talking about two people who carry guns. He was a licensed private investigator.
It was definitely time to go. Luckily, he’d called his father and so worried the elderly man he raced to Maine and had his son committed. I think they’re both fortunate it ended that way.
Well, yes. So. Either take marriage seriously, or don’t.
Adults get married. Either they’re wise in their choice, or they can tell the Church, they weren’t serious about all those vows during their matrimonial mass.
But there are consequences.
A lot of people who are Catholic think they can tell God there shouldn’t be consequences, this German bishop included, so, join them.
But there are consequences.
I think you mean that when people get married in the Church, they shouldn’t be expected to actually live up to it.
If there are legitimate reasons to annul the marriage, the Church will annul it. That has to be easier? In what way? And why?
People just revel in scolding the Church. Take it somewhere else, leave me out of it. Adults can either be adults and make good decisions or live with the bad ones.
Yes that is what I thought when I read the article and the initial “commentary”.
Well. you're right about that…but that's not what the law of the Church says.
Many, many annulments are given because the tribunal believes "suffering with [fill in the blank] is not what God wants for anyone", but, if each party was NOT mentally ill on the day of the wedding and if they both intended matrimony, and presuming the marriage was not illegal (age, consent, consummation, open to children), then, whether or not God wants the spouse of the now severely mentally ill [or whatever] person to suffer, that's what the law says he or she must do.
I always expect anti catholic sentiments on this forum. Keep talking no one cares
1 John 5:16
The text says what it says. Some sins are sins that lead to death, but clearly not all sins lead to death. The text is plain enough.
I am not anti-Catholic in general having tolerated worshipping as a Catholic for 20 years. :-) Dangerous business when Pharisees start judging degrees of sin.
That’s too literal an application about “until sickness and in health.”
There are all kinds of very complicated marriage relationships. Today, according to one study several married couples live apart in the same house since divorce gets the whole family into the poorhouse.
I’m not talking about Alzheimer’s or like that, I’m talking about mental illness that can be cured but the guy won’t go for help and they’re abusive. Some marriages have suffering but koy can be derived
If there’s abuse and denial with no hope, that’s what I’m talking about
Then there are sins that lead to physical death. Like, for instance, disobeying speed limits on an interstate and dying in a fiery, head on collision.
Why not get rid of all those pesky commandments too..they are so restrictive to a progressive society?!
whatever
No
And yes, even Moses talked of divorce.
**People that remarry are no more sinners than you are or anyone else.**
Not what the Bible says:
Gospel Mk 10:1-12
Jesus came into the district of Judea and across the Jordan.
Again crowds gathered around him and, as was his custom,
he again taught them.
The Pharisees approached him and asked,
“Is it lawful for a husband to divorce his wife?”
They were testing him.
He said to them in reply, “What did Moses command you?”
They replied,
“Moses permitted a husband to write a bill of divorce
and dismiss her.”
But Jesus told them,
“Because of the hardness of your hearts
he wrote you this commandment.
But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother
and be joined to his wife,
and the two shall become one flesh.
So they are no longer two but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together,
no human being must separate.”
In the house the disciples again questioned Jesus about this.
He said to them,
“Whoever divorces his wife and marries another
commits adultery against her;
and if she divorces her husband and marries another,
she commits adultery.”
Enough said there!
“Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
She in the first case doesn't commit adultery by re-marrying. He in the second case does not commit adultery. In Matthew he who divorces 'except on the ground of sexual immorality' makes her commit adultery and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
So why Mark instead of Matthew?
Right adultery. Just like you or me commit adultery ever time we look at another woman with lust. Just like you or me commit murder every time we get angry with someone. It goes on and on .. It is all sin and it is a dangerous business when Pharisees play God and start judging how bad one sin is vs another.
I think you need to stuff it pack in the bag for a moment and go reread what I wrote.
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