Posted on 03/16/2014 8:10:24 PM PDT by progunner
Yes we have and this situation most likely caught a lot of people by surprise. Most probably thought this could not happen and now their perplexed seeing that it really is. Thank you for helping me send a message to the towel throwers.
True! Two of the local gun stores I frequent both have Obama's picture up as "salesman of the month" and have since January, 2009.
I am NOT kidding.
Point of order: acts of one Congress do not have legal bearing on the next. One Congress cannot mandate the next Congress "do something." That would mean Ball-less Boehner (or whoever is Speaker in 2015) would have to impeach Barry again, for the new Senate to act.
BTW: this is also the reason why one Congress can say they "cut spending" in future years -- but it never happens because subsequent Congress' aren't bound to cut the budget unless those budget cuts are enacted in LAW. (Which never happens either. It's all part of the budget shell game Congress plays on the American People.)
Well, think of it this way. The other side did it’s work well. They play a psychological game as well as the political game.
They want you to feel stomped on, down, helpless... the whole panoply of pessimism. And they’ve worked that angle for a long time, together with their media buddies.
pingers
I'm simply resigned to the fact, as I see it, that the time is coming for revolution in this country and it's time to prepare for it.
The flashpoint the first time around was the attempted disarming of citizens, wasn't it?
I'm of the opinion that the flashpoint this time around will be the same, but who can tell how many are prepared to sacrifice all for their principles and their freedom.
I'm also of the opinion that now is the time to make our stand against tyranny. I keep reading that ‘someday you'll need those guns, so hide them for that day’. As far as I'm concerned, when they start attempting to confiscate our arms that day has arrived.
Only because we allow it to happen. Perhaps the time has come to set our affairs straight.
I'm afraid not. There is a problem in the grammatical construction of the Supremacy Clause. Consider the links I offered you in the subsequent post.
And the intention of the framers was?
Again, we allow it to be done. If we were to put our foot on the neck of the Federal Government and force them to adhere to their role, it wouldn’t be a problem. We have allowed the feds to grow into the leviathan it has become. It is all our fault because we did not put a stop to it.
That is the point I’m trying to make. You can quibble over the finer points of grammar and whatnot in a court of law for eternity but in the end, we are responsible for letting them run roughshod over us.
Very possibly bending to the terms of their potential lenders. Read the link. It's not what you think.
If we were to put our foot on the neck of the Federal Government and force them to adhere to their role, it wouldn’t be a problem.
While I agree with you in principle, there has never been an attempt to fix either the Supremacy Clause or the manner of treaty ratification. The people had that within their power all right, but they were never informed of the problem, to which they "allowed" the added insult of the language of the citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment.
The last 80 years of US history show that there will be no sweeping changes. There will be no righting of the System by the System.
This WILL end in violence. Either by the FedGov exterminating large portions of our population in suppression. Or by us taking up arms and mashing the Reset button.
There is no "third way" here.
This isn't despair, but quite the opposite. Even if we only match the Founder's 3%, we win. Period.
Everything is ambiguous to the postmodern mind. The real problem is not the structure of the supremacy clause, as pointed out here by a competent legal analyst:
http://mikenew.com/treaties.html
As for your articles, it cannot be disputed that environmental treaties have been abused to undermine Constitutional protections, though as pox has pointed out there are remedies for this and the time is right to pursue them.
And your historical author makes many other worthwhile points. But the theory that some of our founders were in effect traitors, because they included the specific wording about treaties to intentionally frustrate the rights of the people protected in the remainder of the document, is an outrageous theory which is insupportable at best and certainly has not been helped by supreme court precedent, which still, on the whole, uses rational principles of statutory interpretation, which lead irresistibly to the premise that no single clause of the Constitution can ever be understood as abrogating all the rest, especially so because the grammar of the clause more easily supports treaties as subordinate to the Constitution anyway.
btw, I dont take intelligent discussion as a flame war; intelligent discussion is a good way to get all ideas properly vetted and developed.
This isn’t America. I don’t expect some people to get it. But, this isn’t America. It is America in name only (AINA). The old and original America has metamorphasized into a hideous ugly beast. See my post #36.
Also, anytime a country goes through a revolution, or civil war, the result is that it becomes a new country - for better or worse. The name may or may not change, but it will be different, usually radically different.
Also, the process of what lead up to the conflict could be as a result of a change in the government of the country where the people needed to resist. Just like Germany was a different Germany before Hitler, during Hitler, and after Hitler. They could have just as easily had changed the name because it was a different country, with a different “constitution”, each time during those phases. They may have wanted to keep the name due to an emotional attachment, or to use the name to create a patriotic fervor. “For the fatherland.” Resistance to Hitlers Nazi Germany was a correct behaviour.
For this specific reason and definition, I can say correctly say, that “America” is toast.
America was an entity created on paper - the constitution. That entity is no longer valid.
I believe it is important to realize what I am pointing out. Then way we have an understanding of the proper methods to deal with the hideous fed beast.
I dont disagree in principle with what most of you are saying. I just want to make sure we understand it as fully as we can. So we can make smart decisions. The hideous fed beast wants to create an emotional fervor. They like that. It is part of what they do to continually feed on its people. Get ready, but think it through.
NFHale uses Nazi Germany as a case study, there was appropriately “German Resistance, ..and a Dutch Resistance. And Yugoslavian Resistance. And Finnish Resistance. And yes, a French Resistance.” That entity of Hitlers Nazi Germany, is not the same as the previous Germany, nor is it the same as post Nazi Germany. They are different. The analogy, I believe, would be that in America right now, we are in a Nazi time period at the point where the Nazi’s are just getting started and are slowly turning up the heat.
I am also saying that some of the individual states get what I am saying. Read also the end of my post #32 discussing using the states. Some states will support the fed beast, and some wont. It will be easier for states to roll over and let the feds take complete control. But in some states, the government wont want to let the fed usurp their authority. You can see that happening now. These states will use their government power and “righteous” authority to keep the fed beast away. I believe we need to work with these states as much as possible, encourage them, help them. I believe as individuals we should always prepare just as everyone has described here.
For this reason, I agree with all of you. Be prepared. And, identify and work with the states that want to keep the fed beast away.
Please, I know Mike New. He is no more a "competent authority" than I am.
But the theory that some of our founders were in effect traitors, because they included the specific wording about treaties to intentionally frustrate the rights of the people protected in the remainder of the document, is an outrageous theory,
Nonsense. You cannot interpret Hamilton's choice of language as anything other than deliberate obfuscation.
After the Revolutionary War, the United States was broke. We needed to raise money; else we were sitting ducks for reconquest. The lenders (particularly the French) had terms for loans they would not make with the US under the Articles of Confederation. In that respect, the Constitution contains a checklist: We needed a uniform currency backed by gold. We needed a guarantee that any treaty agreements would be kept as negotiated. We needed national taxing authority. We needed a government capable of securing those loans by means of centralized authority. The Federal government was the answer to those demands. Those who negotiated the terms, including Hamilton, were probably doing so out of what they considered to be patriotism. What was arguably treasonous was that they never disclosed to the people the motive for the obvious snow job and TOTAL ABSENCE of debate on the treaty power during the Federal Convention, which I am certain would have blown the deal. Hence Henry's objection. Hence too, they did what they thought was "the right thing to do," with the kind of condescension typical of the elitists we see today.
BTW, virtually everything I just wrote was agreed to by a truly competent authority who agreed with the above assessment before I even wrote that article: Wayne Hage.
“Hopefully, we WILL NOT need the cartridge box.”
Agreed.
But, in light of that most unpalatable possibility stand
some of Thomas Jefferson’s most beautiful and eloquent words:
Now and again the tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of patriots and tyrants.....it is its natural manure...
Prayers going up.
IMHO
“I don’t expect some people to get it” you say? Oh listen to you! Wow! Aren’t you the smart guy! Not get it? If we do not agree with you we do not get it? Yeah, we FReepers you are writing those words to here are all to slow to ‘get’ your point is that it? Listen up noobie, trying to talk down to other FReepers isn’t looked at very well here, especially when it is coming from some n00b stating, “But this isn’t America, It is America in name only”. BULLSQUEEZE! It is still America, the greatest nation on God’s green earth, and always will be unless we allow ourselves to be over taken by the quitting surrender monkeys and their ilk. This old boy ain’t rollin’ over I can tell ya that!
I have my doubts that the son of a bitch is even an American citizen. For that matter, he could be from the planet Pluto. Hell, not only do we not know where he is from, we do not know what his original name is.
The entire obama presidency is the greatest ‘coup ever perpetrated on the American people and our Country and the globalist controlled main stream media made sure that what had to covered up....was well covered up.
Well, certainly nothing will stop them from taking your guns. Courage and backbone will stop them from disarming the rest of us.
I don't understand the surrender monkey, "America is finished" mindset. Do you people have no b*lls whatsoever? Are you the "summer soldiers and sunshine patriots" Thomas Paine wrote of? If so, why wait for the nightmare to begin? Run away to the Philippines, turn yourself in to the DHS so maybe they'll let you have the first choice of cots in your FEMA camp, or just play with a toaster in the bathtub. Whatever you do, shut up with the incessant hand wringing and moaning that "America is finished"...it's getting boring as hell.
Quit bitching, offer solutions, or just go ahead and surrender to your overlords.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
“Well, certainly nothing will stop them from taking your guns. Courage and backbone will stop them from disarming the rest of us.”
Well said Grasshopper. :-)
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