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1 posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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I agree with Paul on this one.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 11:17:33 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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I am in agreement here as well. And I am not a supporter.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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USA should care except our Treasury is near bankrupt, so we should stay out of all foreign conflicts until our country is out of near bankruptcy.


6 posted on 03/18/2014 11:23:30 AM PDT by entropy12 (If you did not vote, you helped elect the community organizer from south side of Chicago.)
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Personally, I believe 'spreading democracy' has been a disaster for this country. It cannot be done with blunt force.

But I do believe we should do everything in our power short of direct intervention to discourage acts of overt aggression against sovereign nations.

We all know how quickly things can get out of hand if there is not a reason for aggressive nations to think twice.

9 posted on 03/18/2014 11:28:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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I think we care if Putin is going to reform a larger Soviet-style expansion. I am pretty sure, our nation has spent a great many lives and fortune to avoid a dominant communist force in the world. We don’t want to face that fight again. Do we care enough to fight now, no, probably not. History tells us that ignoring this type of situation does not end well.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 11:28:29 AM PDT by ilgipper
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I agree. Crimea stood alone. When the Ukraine signed its Constitution, Crimea was not a part of the Ukraine. The next day, they added one line which said Crimea was part of the Ukraine.....Despite it having its own Constitution and government.

Ukraine has been totally irresponsible since it became independent.

There are a lot of Ukrainians in my area. No money...no jobs...

The group that has taken over is the same as in the Orange revolution. It was a coup. Term elections were only a few months away.

Who knows...

19 posted on 03/18/2014 11:34:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/oh-russia-didnt-invade-ukraine-after-all/


26 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Mexico sends troops across the Rio Grande into the southernmost 25% of Texas, because at one time it was part of Mexico, before it became part of the nation of Texas, before that became part of the United States. Mexico then holds a referendum in the occupied area, run by its troops, in which all the people living in “the Tejas” are given the opportunity to vote to secede from Texas and become a part of Mexico—except that there is no option on the ballot to decline the “offer” and stay with Texas, and except that everyone gets to vote including all the Mexicans living in “the Tejas,” and except that the ballot is only in Spanish, and except that the marked ballots can be seen by everyone as they are being placed in see-through ballet boxes, so everyone knows how you voted. 97% of those voting agree with the secession, and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto gives a speech in Mexico City proclaiming how the sovereign people of The Tejas have finally been able to become part of the nation they have always wanted to be a part of.

President Obama sanctions Carlos Slim, then flies to Florida to collect bundles for the 2014 midterms.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 11:49:26 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Nobody cared about the Sudetenland or Czechoslovakia either and looked what happened.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 11:51:47 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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How is this any different than when the USA made Hawaii and Alaska a state? For that matter, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, etc. etc........Crimea is a non story.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 11:55:39 AM PDT by LumberJack53213
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If Ron Paul really, truly believes that this was an uncoerced vote of self-determination then my opinion of The Idjut just went down the toilet.

“Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?”
(Obviously not a fan of John Doone)
Or as Hillary might put it, "What difference does it make?"
Yeah, you're in real solid company, Ronnie.

That said, as an autonomous republic with a lot of Russian occupiers after the Holodomor, Crimea is an area that could be flipped. Just don't kid yourself that the announced "93% in favor" is any more real than Kim Jung-un's "unanimous" election.

And if you consider yourself someone who holds hands with any of Russia's neighbors, don't come crying when the Bear bites your hand off. After all, "treaty" is just Russian for "toilet paper". Get used to it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat.

35 posted on 03/18/2014 12:05:47 PM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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"Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?" Ron Paul about Crimea, 2014

"A quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing" Neville Chamberlain about Czechoslovakia, 1938

37 posted on 03/18/2014 12:06:57 PM PDT by omega4412
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“Catalonia, Scotland and Venice”

None of these regions had a major military power deploy an army to occupy it before the vote.

We should care because Putin is power mad and could try to take over other Eastern E nations.

He could have been contained if we had proper leadership.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 12:09:55 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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Russia Today (New Pravda) and other Russian propaganda outlets really like Ron Paul. I wonder what's in it for them.

Russian network host boasts of 'money bomb' for Ron Paul (2011)

Why is Russian TV Backing Ron Paul? (2011)


47 posted on 03/18/2014 12:20:14 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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“Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?”

...because the PRICK in the White House would love to do the same to YOUR State. Could he...will he? No...but the point is...we know that vote was as fraudulent and as corrupt as Putin himself.

Should we do something about it? Probably not...it’s too late anyway. What could’ve been done should’ve been done before hand making it more than risky for Putin to do what he’s doing right now. But shit-for-brains Obama is no Reagan.

End of story.

BTW...say goodbye to Ukraine, Belorussia and the other old USSR states...short lived was there freedom.


67 posted on 03/18/2014 12:41:58 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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But we might not be dealing with this if we had had stronger foreign policy to begin with.


77 posted on 03/18/2014 1:04:10 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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[RP] “Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?

Because the United States had learned, at the beginning of the 20th century, that war is incredibly destructive and terrible, and senior, responsible people (like Pres. McKinley) who had seen the South during and after the Civil War (in 1870, Shelby Foote told us on Ken Burns's documentary, 20% of the state budget of Mississippi went for prosthesis) decided that it would be worth a lot to us, never ever again to see a major war fought on our territory.

Capiche?

Now Ron Paul has unlearned not only that lesson -- through his bloodymindedness, which will NOT be convinced or swayed -- but also the lesson of the 1930's: Give people like Hitler and Stalin pieces of Poland, the Ruhr, and Czechoslovakia, and sooner or later they'll come to see you.

88 posted on 03/18/2014 1:29:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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Sort of like the old Southern response when a yankee says the War Between the States was fought to “save the Union.” Southerner says “Why?”


108 posted on 03/18/2014 1:54:24 PM PDT by varina davis
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He’s an idiot.


122 posted on 03/18/2014 2:49:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Who cares? People like Soros and the bankers/financiers of Europe care a lot like they have for years at least going back to the days of Wilson when the Fed Reserve was foisted on the USA by the same group of financiers. Putin is giving the USA an opportunity to break away from this group, not that he would intentionally do the USA any favor.


142 posted on 03/18/2014 4:45:59 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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