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Russia, Putin, Ukraine: Some Background

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by varmintman

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To: Marguerite

Nope, we are not the same country anymore.

Demographics is Destiny.


101 posted on 03/18/2014 11:30:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mount Athos

Even yet it’s not quite the same. I don’t see any signs that Crimea was putting up a civil war here, for anyone to take sides in.


102 posted on 03/18/2014 11:34:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mount Athos

“The precedent was set when the USA bombed the hell out of Serbia to strip Kosovo from its sovereign territory.”

Exactly.

USNATO intervention in Kosovo created a precedent in international law, we can see now its consequences.

US supported every secessionist group that wanted to break away from Yugoslavia, they bombed Yugoslavia into smitherness in 1999 for 80 days non-stop, to split it in two, and they declared the Yugoslav Army to be an occupier on its own territory.
The Assembly of Kosovo, a province of Serbia, approved an unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia on 17 February 2008, when foreign troops were stationned on its territory. Kosovo was soon recognized as a sovereign state, first by the United States, and then by Germany, Italy, France, the United Kingdom, and others ...

The West cannot have it both ways. They can’t say that the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo trumps Serbia’s right to territorial integrity, and then turn around and say that Ukraine’s right to territorial integrity trumps the right of Russians in Crimea to self-determination.


103 posted on 03/18/2014 11:38:17 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

I’m not sure what a “smitherness” is, but anyhow this didn’t even rise to the level of a civil war.


104 posted on 03/18/2014 11:40:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Marguerite

Can you find anything about Putin or Russia that’s worthy of criticism, foreigner?

I’m glad you’ve stopped copying and pasting from Alex Jones website ever since I called you out on it, by the way. I’m sure you’ve seen the error of your ways (not), sneaking text here from a site where everyone thinks Bush and Cheney were behind 9/11 and Sandy Hook was a false flag.


105 posted on 03/18/2014 11:46:58 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: dfwgator
He's not Hitler because he's a trained and experienced man, and not crazy.

The comperable trait is his end game. he's going to move to the West, and you just don't see it. I am talking about Europe, not the US.

We will destroy ourselves before he finishes up his plan. he's not playing checkers. He's playing the long game of Chess without the clock.

106 posted on 03/18/2014 11:48:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: dfwgator

Let’s hope Putin is overthrown by someone who realizes that you can have an assertive Russia without waging a covert war on a peaceful neighbor who is no threat to you. The people who are supporting this bully should be happy though since at least one Ukrainian has been killed by his thugs.


107 posted on 03/18/2014 11:59:14 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: varmintman

You should get this history published. You could name it “Putinism Propaganda History for Dummies”


108 posted on 03/19/2014 12:00:22 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: dfwgator

LNG is more expensive.

WE have recently began to build out capacity, but not enough.

Permits are hard to get because they might increase fraking.

But the need to export is obvious...and the price may have to comedown..The cost in elecrical power, and equipment to compress it is very high. and the ships to do it are also very costly.


109 posted on 03/19/2014 12:00:50 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: elhombrelibre

I was thinking the same thing.....


110 posted on 03/19/2014 12:01:58 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: kabar

Pussy Riot is just an example of the way dissent and free speech are treated in Russia. Read the latest State Department Human Rights report on Russia I posted earlier.
Putin is curtailing civil liberties in Russia.


So homosexuals stripping and acting like perverts in public and in churches is “free speech” and okay with you?


111 posted on 03/19/2014 12:09:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kabar

“Pussy Riot is just an example of the way dissent and free speech are treated in Russia.”

“Putin is curtailing civil liberties in Russia.”

Civil Liberties?

Does this look like an exercise of civil liberties to you?

(please watch video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALS92big4TY

Shouting mocking vulgarities in a holy place, disrupting people praying? They also broke into the sanctuary with the altar.

Maybe you think people have a right to do this at your church, your families funeral or wedding?

I guess world sentiment would have been different if they done this in a mosque.


112 posted on 03/19/2014 12:11:09 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Girlene
Russia has bailed our hiney's out of some really awful kind of ****?

Seriously?

Yes. WWII would have been a lot harder to win without the Russians.

Had Hitler not been stupid enough to attack Russia, we might all be Nazis speaking German now, if we were alive at all.

113 posted on 03/19/2014 12:11:14 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger

We gave the Russians a LOT of help.


114 posted on 03/19/2014 12:11:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KOZ.
putin bootlickers

Do you remember the speech Putin gave and the letter he wrote to the same effect the December after Zero was elected?

He warned the USA, "Not to go down the road to communism, because that is what destroyed Russia."

115 posted on 03/19/2014 12:13:50 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: little jeremiah; kabar
Yeah, the media obsession with Pussy Riot was nauseating. For Christ's sake, it was a obscure band who broke the law trespassing and shamelessly pushed anti-Christian slogans while inside.

In other words, not worthy of news and certainly not worthy of sympathy. If anything it showed how petty the MSM was and gave Putin a rare chance to take the moral high ground.

116 posted on 03/19/2014 12:23:59 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: varmintman

A very nice view of the forest. I am sure the Soros Bund faux-cons will attack it accordingly.


117 posted on 03/19/2014 12:32:51 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: varmintman

“I don’t see anything not to like with Putin or the vision of the current Russian government.”

lmao. You have no historical perspective. This article reminds me of the Louis Farrahkan speeches with numerology, which unfortunately, has more logic than this diatribe.

Ukrainians despise the Russians and would have fought against the Soviets had the Nazis realized the intense hatred of the Russians/Soviets.


118 posted on 03/19/2014 12:34:27 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: dfwgator
We gave the Russians a LOT of help.

Yes, we did. And they gave a LOT of blood, far more than we gave.

Did you ever read of the mass charges the Russian Army made against the Germans?

They didn't have enough rifles for everyone.

Everyone would run towards the German lines. Only those in front had rifles.

The ones following each carried a stripper clip of five shells. As those in front were killed the followers picked up the rifles, re-loaded and continued until they were killed, and so on.

The Russian bodies stacked up under the fire of the German machine gunners until they formed a wall closer to the Germans.

As the attacks on the Germans went on, the Germans eventually either ran out of ammo or their machine guns overheated.

The Russians would continue picking up rifles from downed comrades, reload them and charge on upon the Germans until the Germans were either shot, retreated, or were bayoneted.

While not being an expert on Russian history, I have obviously read more of it than many who have commented here.

The ignorance of many is simply pathetic. (I also speak and read Russian, but am now very rusty).

The original poster who started this thread, is overall, mostly accurate in his condensed presentation of Russian history.

With the internet and libraries, there are plenty of historical sources. Read them before making a fool of oneself.

119 posted on 03/19/2014 12:36:57 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger
Heard the same identical stories about the Chinese during the Korean war.

The Japanese during WWII...

120 posted on 03/19/2014 12:43:14 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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