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The Hitler Model [Victor Davis Hanson]
Hoover Institution ^ | March 18, 2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/20/2014 3:34:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

Why do weak nations like Russia provoke stronger ones like the United States?

An ascendant Vladimir Putin is dismantling the Ukraine and absorbing its eastern territory in the Crimea. President Obama is fighting back against critics that his administration serially projected weakness, and thereby lost the ability to deter rogue regimes. Obama, of course, rejects the notion that his own mixed signals have emboldened Putin to try something stupid that he might otherwise not have. After all, in terms of planes, ships, soldiers, nuclear strength, and economic clout, Putin must concede that he has only a fraction of the strength of what is at the disposal of the United States.

In the recriminations that have followed Putin’s daring intervention, Team Obama has also assured the international community that Putin is committing strategic suicide, given the gap between his ambitions of expanding the Russian Federation by threats of force and intimidation, and the rather limited means to do so at his disposal. Perhaps Putin is pandering to Russian public opinion or simply delusional in his wildly wrong calculations of all the bad things that may befall him.

Do any of those rationalizations matter—given that Putin, in fact, did intervene, plans to stay in the eastern Ukraine, and has put other former member states of the former Soviet Union on implicit notice that their future behavior may determine whether they too are similarly absorbed?

History is replete with examples of demonstrably weaker states invading or intervening in other countries that could in theory or in time bring to their defense far greater resources. On September 1, 1939, Hitler was both militarily and economically weaker than France and Britain combined. So what? That fact certainly did not stop the Wehrmacht over the next eight months from invading, defeating, and occupying seven countries in a row.

Hitler was far weaker than the Soviet Union. Still, he foolishly destroyed his non-aggression pact with Stalin to invade Russia on June 22, 1941. Next, Nazi Germany, when bogged down outside Moscow and having suffered almost a million casualties in the first six months of Operation Barbarossa, certainly was weaker than the United States, when Hitler idiotically declared war on America on December 11, 1941.

Yet all those demonstrably stupid moves did not prove that Hitler himself agreed that that he was weaker than his targets. Much less did Nazi Germany have any good reason from recent experiences to accept the fact that it was weaker than were its enemies. Even Neville Chamberlain did not claim that Hitler had invaded Poland because he was weaker than France and Britain—though again he probably was.

From Benito Mussolini’s invasions in 1940-41 of France, the Balkans, and Greece to Argentine Gen. Galtieri’s attack on the Falklands in 1982 and Saddam Hussein’s entry into Kuwait in the summer of 1990, there are plenty of examples of weak states attacking countries who have alliances or friends far stronger than the attacker. Why then do the Putins of the past and present try something so shortsighted—as the Obama administration has characterized the Ukraine gambit? 

Answer? Strength is in the eye of the attacker.

What might prove to be demonstrably stupid in the future, or even seems foolish in the present, may not necessarily be so clear to the attacker. The perception, not the reality, of relative strength and weakness is what guides aggressive states.

Obama looks to logic, reason, and morality in his confusion over why Putin did something that cannot be squared away on any rational or ethical calculators.

Putin, however, has a logic of his own. American intervention or non-intervention in particular crises is not just the issue for Putin. Instead he sees fickleness and confusion in American foreign policy. He has manipulated and translated this into American impotence and thus reigns freely on his borders.

Red lines in Syria proved pink. Putin’s easily peddled his pseudo-WMD removal plan for Syria. America is flipping and flopping and flipping in Egypt. Missile defense begat no missile defense with the Poles and Czechs. Lead from behind led to Benghazi and chaos. Deadlines and sanctions spawned no deadlines and no sanctions with Iran. Then there was the reset with Russia. Obama’s predecessors, not his enemies were blamed. Iraq was cut loose. We surged only with deadlines to stop surging in Afghanistan. Loud civilian trials were announced for terrorists and as quietly dropped. Silly new rubrics appeared like overseas contingency operations, workplace violence, man-caused disasters, a secular Muslim Brotherhood, jihad as a personal journey, and a chief NASA mission being outreach to Muslims.

Putin added all that up. He saw a pattern of words without consequences, of actions that are ephemeral and not sustained, and so he concluded that a weaker power like Russia most certainly can bully a neighbor with access to stronger powers like the United States. For Putin and his ilk, willpower and his mythologies about Russian moral superiority are worth more than the hardware and data points of the West.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; vdh; victordavishanson; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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To: 1rudeboy

While I certainly don’t mind seeing Obama beaten up over Ukraine, I do hope it doesn’t lead to war, as we will get our BUTTS KICKED, trying to stand up to his soldiers with a bunch of Trannies.

But I think that, overall, Putin is saying that, REGARDLESS OF THE PAST, you little countries better treat Russians there in a reasonable manner.

Remember, Putin has been the Russian president pretty much since 2001, but ONLY NOW did he take on Ukraine. Bottom-line - treat Russia well, they will leave you alone. And this is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the Communist days when they wanted every other country to be “liberated”.


41 posted on 03/20/2014 4:44:12 PM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Fred Nerks
"Obama used CIA and NATO to empower the Muslim Brotherhood, to replace secular regimes with Islamist ones in the "Arab Spring". And utterly destroyed an entire country - which is now in the grip of a bunch of fanatic islamist warlords fighting over the carcass"

... while completly ignoring the respect of "international law".

What mandate did the USNATO get from the UN Security Council? The SC imposed a ban on all flights in the country’s airspace — a no-fly zone - not bombings! "The Council specified that the flight ban would not apply to flights that had as their sole purpose humanitarian aid, the evacuation of foreign nationals, enforcing the ban or other purposes “deemed necessary for the benefit of the Libyan people. The representative of the United States said that the Council had responded to the Libyan peoples’ cry for help. The Council’s purpose was clear: to protect Libyan civilians. The Security Council had authorized the use of force, including enforcement of a no-fly zone".

It ended with a country totally ravaged by USNATO bombs and cruise missiles ...

42 posted on 03/20/2014 4:57:33 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: babygene
Sorry, I was unclear. With regard to broadcast media, you have the choice between FOX and MSNBC. While the former is not "conservative," it is right-leaning and MSNBC is not. The Crimeans are not given that option, making my question relevant and your contention that liberals "control" the media in the U.S. a red herring.
43 posted on 03/20/2014 4:59:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Marguerite

You’re not going to be very popular for pointing that out here. Wasn’t Gaddafi sufficiently demonised for you? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHJw9SpCO4

That should tell you why he was a marked man from that moment on. The hate on the Saudi faces is priceless.


44 posted on 03/20/2014 5:06:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: x
On paper, maybe, but wars aren't fought and won and lost on paper.

I think that is exactly the point. Hitler retrieved the Rhineland with a rag-tag proto-army that only later became the feared war machine of the Wehrmacht. France could have swatted him back to Berlin with one arm. They did nothing. Britain did nothing. The rest is history. Strength comes from a coherent assertive foreign policy based on one's own national interests, with a military prepared to back it up if need be, and the will to use it. Putin has it. We don't. All the rest is faculty-lounge masturbation.

45 posted on 03/20/2014 5:08:12 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: trapped_in_LA

If I was any other country, I would not trust the United States.


46 posted on 03/20/2014 5:11:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 1rudeboy

VDH is usually spot on, but he misses it in this essay.

Strength is a secondary consideration. All of the examples cited are a matter of Will. Putin correctly believes that at this moment in time, neither the US, nor the EU, nor Ukraine has the will to pay the price of stopping him.

Obama’s fecklessness has two roots: 1) he is an indecisive, weak individual (we’re back to a lack of Will); and, 2) his foreign policy is based on the idea that projection of power by the US or the West in general is the main source of conflict and trouble in the world. His Will, such as he has any, is focused on reducing US economic and military strength and avoiding power projection. Obama goes along with limited military action, when it has few immediate consequences (drone attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan). He has not slashed US military spending, because it is a permanent, huge Keynesian stimulus program for the US (and world) economy, intimately linked with too many political interests to touch.

Obama’s policy is wrong-headed, weak, and invites trouble. But it is deliberate and internally rational.

Putin’s policy is opportunistic, for Russia and himself. He is doing what he can get away with, based on a reading of Obama and the EU “powers”. Isolating Russia and his sphere from the West is precisely what Putin wants.


47 posted on 03/20/2014 5:15:31 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: 1rudeboy

Alaska under Russia Colonization 1733 - 1867. Russian Orthodox Church is still present in Sitka
Alaska under America 1867-1884 (department of Alaska)
1884-1912 District of Alaska
1912-1959 Territory of Alaska
1959-present State of Alaska
Interesting Russia was in Hawaii from 1814 - 1817 and Russia was in Northern California 1812-1841 Fort Ross.

spain tried to colonize Alaska
Valdez
Kodiak
and some glacier has a spanish name starts with M
british tried to colonize Alaska
Japan held two Aleutian Islands during WWII

Hope this answers your question
Russia in Alaska 1733 - 1867 134 years
America in Alaska 1867 - 2014 147 years


48 posted on 03/20/2014 5:17:25 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Fred Nerks

“You’re not going to be very popular for pointing that out here.”

I don’t care of being popular or not.
I’m writing about events as I see them.
When I see the members of USNATO gargling themselves with “the repect of international law” mantra, I cannot but recall what they did in Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq and Libya. Bringing “democracy” through the barrel of the gun ... and in the end, instead of democracy those countries either became mafia druglords territories, or hunting fields for islamic terrorists.

The US and EU have not a leg to stand on in Crimea affair.
What a world we live in.
I would have never dreamed to see one day the US defending the violent deposition of a legitimate elected president by “rule of the mob”, and Russia defending the ballot box and the people’s will in a referendum under the observation of OSCE, which found no fault with the rule of international law.


49 posted on 03/20/2014 5:31:08 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: 1rudeboy

Is Russia seeking Lebensrum?

Hitler strived to regain parts of Germany that were surrendered by the treaty of Versailles.

Germany had to pay repartations for WWI till I believe 2009.

Russia is actually taking back territories that it gave up through Perestroika.
Baltic States Estonia, Latavia, Lithuania.
Rumania, Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Finland

Russia is not seeking living space, but it is turning the clock back on its reforms and becoming more westernized.

The History of Russia is one that vacillates. Putin is going after the west because the west is weakened and has the inability to respond. The West(europe) has become dependent upon Russia for Oil, Natural Gas. Russian History will show its hand as the world is more volatile.

Russia to survive will isolate itself and bring the satellites around it to be a buffer.
Look what happened to Russia in history with pacts and treaties with the West Russia lost out.

Napleonic War fought in Russia devastated Russia.
germany signed a treaty with Russia than invaded Russia

A better comparison is Russia and Arab Countries (Oil)


50 posted on 03/20/2014 5:34:55 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: hondact200

Estonia, Latavia, Lithuania, and maybe some of the others on your list were independent Republics before the Soviet Union came into existence.


51 posted on 03/20/2014 5:38:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Marguerite

The U.S. does not need UN approval to go to war. Or do you think the U.S. should be ruled by the UN?


52 posted on 03/20/2014 5:39:35 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: hondact200
Russia is actually taking back territories that it gave up through Perestroika. Baltic States Estonia, Latavia, Lithuania. Rumania, Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Finland"

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. Rumania, Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Finland are sovereign nations. The people's of those countries took back the freedom that Russia stole from them.

53 posted on 03/20/2014 5:44:55 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio

Ukraine has mostly been part of Russia since they voted to join Russia in 1654.


54 posted on 03/20/2014 5:49:17 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Marguerite

You said a mouthful. I’ve said pretty much the same, it wasn’t welcome. The Serbs were monsters, Gaddafi was rehabilitated then demonised and brutally murdered in board daylight in public, did you hear him say what he did about Sadam?
You could be next, he tells them. And he was.

Egypt stood up to be counted. Syria just won’t play dead. Afghanistan will have to learn to live with itself and love the Taliban. The best course of action is stay out of the way, and let islam devour itself.


55 posted on 03/20/2014 5:49:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Parmenio

So US can do whatever they fancy, but other countries cannot?

WHY then invoke, day in, day out, “the respect of international law” if the US doesn’t care a straw about it???

I see.


56 posted on 03/20/2014 5:50:42 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: TexasGator

You are correct in saying that Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire, but I don’t think they “voted” to join.


57 posted on 03/20/2014 5:51:03 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Three things are the enemy of the left:
(true, classical) Christianity,
(original intent interpretation of) the Constitution, and
(free market) Capitalism. “

Thank you for this.... copied, posted to my FB page. Lets see who I can get to sliver outa the woodwork tonight. :)


58 posted on 03/20/2014 5:53:04 PM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: Parmenio

The US bombed Lybia back into the stone-age using NATO as a big stick. Out of all of them, the two I was most disgusted with was Sarkozy and Cameron. Kissy-kissy with Gaddafi one moment, bombing the cities and killing the civilians the next. The US didn’t need approval because they manipulated NATO. Are you proud of that?

I don’t recall the UN giving the US permission to bomb the entire country to rubble. IIRC., any permission was couched in terms of protection for civilians.

This, along with the killing of Serbian civilians and the handover to the muslims of Kosovo, leaves a permanant stain on your pride. If it doesn’t, it aught to.


59 posted on 03/20/2014 5:57:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Marguerite

You have no understanding of what “international law” is. International law is created when two nations sign a treaty. They then treat the terms of the treaty as their respective national laws. Russia certainly had no problem violating international law when it decided to violate the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe in 2007. Incidentally, Putin did that by issuing a decree. It was not done by a vote in the Duma.

The U.S. has the same right to cease complying with treaties it has signed.


60 posted on 03/20/2014 5:57:25 PM PDT by Parmenio
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