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Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns
NYT ^ | March 20, 2014 | By ANDREW E. KRAMER

Posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

KIEV, Ukraine — In an effort to stabilize Ukraine and extend its authority, the interim government has set a deadline of Friday for turning in the illegal firearms that are now carried openly by so-called self-defense groups in Independence Square, the politically important plaza in the center of the capital.

The order was seconded on Thursday by the French ambassador to Ukraine, Alain Rémy, who said the disarmament of the militias that helped overthrow the former government is a central requirement for the European Union to begin disbursing financial aid, along with the government fighting corruption.

Prime Minister Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, who was a staunch supporter of the protesters but never condoned violent tactics, set the deadline for Friday, the day Ukraine is scheduled to sign the political articles of an association agreement with the European Union.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; banglist; europeanunion; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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Never give up you guns!!
1 posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Good luck with it.

No one in Ukraine is going to surrender their arms.


2 posted on 03/20/2014 10:39:22 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

The common call of the tyrant: “I need your guns.”


3 posted on 03/20/2014 10:40:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Jim Robinson

They deserve to be slaves. I’m done.


4 posted on 03/20/2014 10:40:51 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

The Maidan Revolution created a rush for every one to acquire arms.

And the new regime just dismantled the Berkut.


5 posted on 03/20/2014 10:42:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

BUMP


6 posted on 03/20/2014 10:43:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Lazamataz

The Real Red Dawn.


7 posted on 03/20/2014 10:46:29 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Defiance: “Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second.” -Tuvia Bielski (from the book ‘Defiance’)

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2008/12/defiance-without-rifle-you-are-nothing.html


8 posted on 03/20/2014 10:47:03 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Nachum; Old Sarge; shibumi; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; brucecw; EnigmaticAnomaly; ...
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Article, then # 1, # 8.

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9 posted on 03/20/2014 10:53:20 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hmmmm, let's see, the coup government in the Ukraine, who are not Nazis, are confiscating all guns from the people, and the elected Russian government in Crimea, that is Communist, is not confiscating guns from the people.

I think I understand.

10 posted on 03/20/2014 10:54:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson

John McCain’s buddies at work confiscating guns.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 10:56:22 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah, disarm your populace as you are being conquered. Morons.
12 posted on 03/20/2014 10:56:31 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lazamataz
The common call of the tyrant: “I need your guns.”

Shouldn't the response of the people be: "Come get them?"

13 posted on 03/20/2014 10:58:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Jim Robinson

Time to take those guns out for a boat ride.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 11:00:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Jim Robinson

What illegal guns?

I ain’t seen nutin’.


15 posted on 03/20/2014 11:05:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Jim Robinson

I have been supportive of the new Ukraine up to now. This double stupid retarded move makes me question the intelligence of those now in charge. A smarter thing to do would be to ask for these groups to leave the city and take their arms with them. Thank them for their help and say to them that they need their arms to defend Ukraine proper which is very definitely in jeopardy. Disarming your allies is a very stupid thing to do.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 11:28:07 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: goldstategop

I wonder who are going to enforce it? They have just dismantled their police force and half of the military defected.


17 posted on 03/20/2014 11:39:29 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Jim Robinson
The order was seconded on Thursday by the French ambassador to Ukraine, Alain Rémy, who said the disarmament of the militias that helped overthrow the former government is a central requirement for the European Union to begin disbursing financial aid

The FRENCH Ambassador seconded the order???

Tell the EU, FU.

As if people who just put their guns to good use are going to simply hand them over, anyway.

18 posted on 03/21/2014 12:32:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well,that worked so well for the Jews in the holocaust.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:15 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Lazamataz

In this case the Tyrant is the EU and the IMF..


20 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:29 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Jim Robinson

It would appear the IMF’s dirty little fingerprints are all over this latest piece of legislation in Ukraine. The Ukraine Finance Ministry is proposing to take a very-similar-to-Cyprus approach to bailing in its despositors:

•*UKRAINE PROPOSES NEW TAX ON DEPOSITS EXCEEDING 100,000 HRYVNIA
•*UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS
This would appear a measure designed to stabilize the budget for potential IMF negotiations and fits perfectly with what the IMF has consistently hinted as the next steps for many nations.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/ukraine-goes-cyprus-20-tax-deposits-over-100000-hryvnia-appease-imf


21 posted on 03/21/2014 12:34:58 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Eggsactly....


22 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:54 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Rusty0604

It amazes me how people fly off the proverbial handle over news like this, not knowing who the real culprits are.

Since our government funds the IMF, and others, we and the other funding nations are the ones forcing this action by the new government of Ukraine...

This is how the wonderful and generous nations of the West, fix things..and why they always fail at it unless they are fixing themselves.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 12:41:07 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Interesting how when faced with potential invasion their new government is more interested in seizing firearms from the populace.

Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 1:16:01 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

the disarmament of the militias that helped overthrow the former government


Huh, but I read the Russians were the ones shooting. Oh well, the fog of revolution facts become sketchy.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 1:30:35 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Jim Robinson
Looks like the EU just guaranteed an Asian Ukraine. The EU doesn't want the free armed citizens to be able to oust their new EU boss....who will likely be just as bad as the old boss. Down with bosses. Too bossy
26 posted on 03/21/2014 1:42:05 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: Jim Robinson

So, Jim, is this the government SUPPORTED BY OBAMA???

Hmmm.


27 posted on 03/21/2014 2:12:02 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Cold Heat

We helped.


28 posted on 03/21/2014 2:13:55 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 3Fingas

...I have been suspicious of this government....they have the support of OBAMA.

Remember a few weeks ago when Obama’s Deputy SecState and the US ambassador to Ukraine were caught on a phone call saying “F*** the E.U.”? That was a conversation regarding WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE OVER Ukraine if the Yankuovich guy (I think that was him) was overthrown. Yankuovich was Russian leaning, and the EU and Team Obama were each supporting different successors.

My guess is Team Obama wanted a guy who would OBEY their wishes—which apparently includes GUN GRABBING.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 2:15:55 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jim Robinson

What I’m getting on twitter and other sites is the people are refusing to hand over their guns...and rightly so...there is no order in Ukraine...even the gov. officials are struggling in their positions of authority on how to ‘run’ a nation and failing in protecting the people just from the criminal elements, who are taking advantage of the situation

The streets are full of crime currently...even old ladies carrying bats and wooden sticks to protect themselves. Sad to see that but there is much unrest there now, so the gov. is foolish to require people hand over their guns..not going to happen.

Additionally read today that 72 Ukraine Military Officers along with about 50% of the men have joined with Russia....and those who remained under Ukraine’s gov. are not getting orders and communication unclear at best.

It’s a mess there.....while they watch Putin securing up Crimea with everything they need..from generators to utility vehicles trucks and all in between. ....and it’s not just Putin..the Russian people are sending supplies etc.

For all this I think there will be an exodus of people from Ukraine at least temporarily.


30 posted on 03/21/2014 2:19:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson


From my cold dead hands! (except I would not be holding a musket!)
31 posted on 03/21/2014 3:21:08 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Nachum

Thanks for that link.....added the movie to my Netflix queue.


32 posted on 03/21/2014 3:25:19 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Nachum

There is a great quote over there:

Edmund Burke reconsidered in the light of 20th Century funeral pyres.
“Remember: Evil exists because good men don’t kill the government officials committing it.” — Kurt Hofmann.

And of course if the question is “What evil?” Rummel has the answer.
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


33 posted on 03/21/2014 3:33:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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The people of Ukraine are about to be fleeced if they stand for it. Lets consolidate more countries and saddle them with debt to the IMF/EU. We’ll show them how to fix their economies with top down control.

Oh, please turn in your guns and we will approve your loans.


34 posted on 03/21/2014 3:44:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: All

Whose side are we on again? The new rebel government or the elected government of the now deposed President Viktor Yanukovych?


35 posted on 03/21/2014 3:46:44 AM PDT by Drago
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To: 3Fingas
No disrespect to anyone here on FreeRepublic, but anyone who supports the Ukrainian government in this "conflict" against the Russians is delusional at best. This announcement about gun confiscation has let a dirty little secret out of the bag that should have been obvious to everyone a long time ago: The people driving this are not interested in freedom, liberty, and American values. They are big-government globalists who are building an empire, and tyranny is an absolute necessity for their ambitions.

I hate to say that you've been conned, but you have been.

36 posted on 03/21/2014 3:51:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: RKBA Democrat
Interesting how when faced with potential invasion their new government is more interested in seizing firearms from the populace.

Which leads me to believe that the new government doesn't really fear a potential invasion at all.

37 posted on 03/21/2014 3:53:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Jim Robinson

1st Crimea, next America?
Come and take them baby.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 4:06:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yes some have been conned. This whole situation has set off my alarm bells while freepers call me a communist.

How many more Ukrainians will petition Russia to return?


39 posted on 03/21/2014 4:06:43 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed; I won’t give up my weapons.

What’s happening in the Ukraine should be a wake up call to their immediate neighbors, Europe, and us here.

Look at the pattern, the first thing dictators/power-grabbers et al do is try and disarm the populace.

An armed society is a free society.

Remember Leonidas words to the Persian king: “Molon labe”


40 posted on 03/21/2014 4:14:57 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Alberta's Child

There’s no good guys in this, but Russia is, at the very minimum, behaving like a sane country.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 4:23:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Molon Labe was my first thought as I read the headline. I wonder how you say that in Ukranian?


42 posted on 03/21/2014 4:26:40 AM PDT by Rockhound (My dog ate my tagline)
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To: WildHighlander57

This sure won’t be a wake-up call for the rest of Europe. Europeans have been completely disarmed for decades.


43 posted on 03/21/2014 4:30:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Lazamataz

You’re right about that.


44 posted on 03/21/2014 4:30:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Rockhound
Come and take them doesn't quite translate, but, Приходьте і отримаєте їх is 'Come and get them'.

Приходьте і отримаєте їх!

45 posted on 03/21/2014 4:33:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"There’s no good guys in this, but Russia is, at the very minimum, behaving like a sane country."

You’re right about that.

Further -- what with the behavior of Europe and America -- acting sane is enough.

46 posted on 03/21/2014 4:34:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I hope everyone can now see that the US and the EU ARE forming the New World Order. They will take the guns because they are going to be as bad or worse than the Old Soviets.

They are taking advantage of Ukranians.

Pathetic.


47 posted on 03/21/2014 4:40:57 AM PDT by dforest
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To: goldstategop

First, Russia is opposing the New World Order of Obama/EU/Soros, hence the demonization of Russia in the media.

Second, the EU/US used these neo-Nazis to overthrow the freely-elected (albeit corrupt) prior Ukrainian government. These guys were the foot soldiers. They are not giving up their guns or the ones they seized from the armories.

Third, the EU/US have broken Ukraine and won’t be able to fix it.


48 posted on 03/21/2014 4:56:38 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: 3Fingas
This is part of what some of us have been cyber-screaming about the manipulated coup all along. It's the same playbook as Syria, Egypt and Libya. The protests start peaceful, and they start with locals who genuinely want more freedoms. They get taken over, and probably enabled by, more militant and outside groups who step up to violence. They have a coup.

Then, the powers that be that wanted regime change to go their way, want the power to be theirs, not the group that did the dirty work. In Libya, the violent groups aren't going easily. Remember NATO voted for airstrikes "so the protestors could go home peacefully" and then used that to oust Khaddafi when the protests failed? In Egypt, it took the military to clean up the mess when the Muslim Brotherhood gained control of the gov and over-reached. In Syria, those intent on violent coup won't stop, even if they level the country.

And now, same playbook. The thugs staged a violent coup (those burning tires are something that would've gotten them shot in any US city except a few crazier ones) and the puppet government is saying they should just hand in their guns, go back home, and oh by the way be exploited by globalist bankers and power brokers.

Should it concern us? Of course. Our troops belong on our southern border and the invaders need to be sent home before someone sees advantage in having their protests go violent.

49 posted on 03/21/2014 5:02:03 AM PDT by grania
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To: Lazamataz

Thanks Laz, you command a wealth of information!


50 posted on 03/21/2014 5:16:03 AM PDT by Rockhound (My dog ate my tagline)
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