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Kenyan polygamy law: Female MPs storm out of parliament
BBC ^ | March 21, 2014 | Unattributed

Posted on 03/21/2014 7:05:51 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Female MPs in Kenya have stormed out of a late-night parliamentary session in a row over the legalisation of polygamy.

The law is intended to bring civil law, where a man is only allowed one wife, into line with customary law, where some cultures allow multiple partners.

But male MPs voted to amend the new marriage bill to allow men to take as many wives as they like without consulting existing spouses.

Traditionally, first wives are supposed to give prior approval.

The women walked out in disgust over the matter.

'This is Africa'

MP Samuel Chepkong'a, who proposed the amendment, said that when a woman got married under customary law, she understood that the marriage was open to polygamy, so no consultation was necessary, Kenya's Daily Nation newspaper reports.

Mohammed Junet, an MP representing a constituency from the western Nyanza province, agreed.

"When you marry an African woman, she must know the second one is on the way and a third wife… this is Africa," Kenya's Capital News website quotes him as saying.

Plans to ban the payment of bride prices were dropped - although a person must be 18 to marry and this will apply to all cultures.

Proposals to ensure equal property and inheritance rights were also watered down - a woman will be entitled to 30% of matrimonial property after death or divorce.

Kenya's marriage bill: Specifies that marriage is between a man and a woman, but does not explicitly ban custom of an infertile woman marrying a younger woman.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; kenya; naturalborncitizen; obama; polygamy
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Did Obama's brother, Malik Obama, help write this bill? Obama's daddy would have loved it.
1 posted on 03/21/2014 7:05:51 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

‘This is Africa’

NOT to be confused with Sparta.


2 posted on 03/21/2014 7:06:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; Fantasywriter; ...

Ping to eligibility activists interested in Kenyan marriage law and tribal customs that have possible implications for Barry and possible bigamy of the “marriage” of his claimed parents.


3 posted on 03/21/2014 7:08:05 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
"When you marry an African woman, she must know the second one is on the way...
4 posted on 03/21/2014 7:09:21 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Seizethecarp

I have to wonder how “proud” Barry and Mooshelle will be that his “homeland” has kicked women to the curb in marriage rights.

IIRC, Christian marriages were legally protected against polygamy, but it doesn’t look like Christian women can prevent their husbands from adding a wife to the marriage without even prior notice much less permission.


5 posted on 03/21/2014 7:15:03 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: BenLurkin

I just love the 7th century.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 7:17:46 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: Seizethecarp

So, Obama’s Kenyan . . . too bad Helen Thomas is no longer available, but any other ideas who he might want to add to the First Wookie in his Presidential harem?

Nancy Pelosi
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Rosie O’Donnell
Shiela Jackson Lee
Reggie?


7 posted on 03/21/2014 7:23:34 AM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: Seizethecarp

War on women. Africa style.


8 posted on 03/21/2014 7:27:12 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Seizethecarp

“But male MPs voted to amend the new marriage bill to allow men to take as many wives as they like without consulting existing spouses.”

Their coffee is superior to their reasoning. This is like Russian roulette with an automatic.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 7:36:03 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Seizethecarp

‘Did Obama’s brother, Malik Obama, help write this bill? Obama’s daddy would have loved it.’

I saw a similar article posted in The Daily Nation, Kenya’s largest newspaper. Then I went into the archives and read an older feature piece on BHO Sr. He claimed Luo customs applied not only to multiple wives but also to one night stands. He brought a succession of women to the house he shared with Ruth and had sex with them there. She wasn’t supposed to mind...but she did.

According to the piece, everyone on their street knew they had a horrific marriage, and even knew the details. In between the beatings, BHO Sr. did a lot of yelling and screaming. Given the level of abuse, it’s no wonder David turned to alcohol and eventually died an alcohol-related death. [He’s mentioned at several key junctures in the Daily Nation piece.] The more amazing fact is that Mark is still okay. He’s a true survivor.

Btw, the second largest Kenyan paper, The Standard, mentions David too. It cites his death from the motorcycle accident.


10 posted on 03/21/2014 7:42:56 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Seizethecarp

Don’t mock them too much, this is coming to the US very soon. Homo marriage has opened Pandora’s box and polygamy will be the first thing out, most likely followed by a whole host of other things.


11 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:09 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

You are correct. Much whoopee will be made in certain “conservative” quarters.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 7:47:46 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: Seizethecarp

So, did the female MP’s run out to find husbands?


13 posted on 03/21/2014 8:06:52 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks for the ping!

Good info; got some reading to do ...


14 posted on 03/21/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Homosexual marriage did not open anything.

No fault divorce killed the baby.

Homosexual marriage, polygamy, polyandry, bestiality...all of those are just dirty bathwater.

Before no fault divorce, Homosexuals with extremely few exceptions wanted nothing to do with marriage. Because despite any posturing to the contrary they know they will be promiscuous and the financial consequences of that in a divorce was way to big a risk.

To fix things, focus on where society veared off course. Don’t try to be broken but in a lesser way.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 9:16:43 AM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Fantasywriter

“Given the level of abuse, it’s no wonder David turned to alcohol and eventually died an alcohol-related death. [He’s mentioned at several key junctures in the Daily Nation piece.]”

I know that BHO Sr. died in an alcohol related crash but I don’t remember David being associated with alcohol or mentioned in a Daily Nation article.

The Mal-Val cult would be hard pressed to explain this Daily Nation coverage.

Can you provide a link? I would search for it myself, but have some pressing issues today. Thanks


16 posted on 03/21/2014 11:40:25 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: MrEdd

“No fault divorce killed the baby.”

Amen! Nothing has been so destructive in the US and western countries than the divorce industry that encourages women to blowup their families for cash and prizes. That weakened family structure then gave rise to the rest.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 12:16:00 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m just now on my way out the door to try to catch a couple of apts. before it’s too late. I will plan to post the links ASAP upon, God willing, arrival back at home.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 12:24:39 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Seizethecarp

http://www.nation.co.ke/page/search/DailyNation/-/1148/1148/-/view/asSearch/-/r4tvx4z/-/index.html

I’m sure you’ll be able to figure it out.


30/7/2011
How Obama father’s dream was ruined
Ruth tried half-heartedly to turn him away. But Obama charmed her with an onslaught of entreaties. He loved her to the core of his being. He adored their son and had yearned for them every day they...

Section News

9/4/2010
Book challenges Obama claims
Barack Obama’s depictions of his Kenyan father and grandfather are challenged in a new biography of the American president...


19 posted on 03/21/2014 2:04:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp

Kenya: How Obama Father’s Dream Was Ruined By Nairobi’s Happy Hour And Ethnicity
30 July 2011 The Bold and Reckless Life of Barack Obama’s Father Obama, the Bright Economist Who Lived On...

Excerpted from “The Other Barack: The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama’s Father,” by Sally H. Jacobs:

Ruth tried half-heartedly to turn him away. But Obama charmed her with an onslaught of entreaties. He loved her to the core of his being. He adored their son and had yearned for them every day they had been gone. If she would only return with him, he vowed that everything would be different.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201107310007.html


20 posted on 03/21/2014 2:18:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp

Sorry about my errands/delay. Here are the links:

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/How-Obama-fathers-dream-was-ruined/-/1056/1210630/-/m5j3b7/-/index.html

http://www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/DN2/Obama—the-bright-economist-who-lived-on-the-edge-/-/957860/1211042/-/lkp22l/-/index.html

http://standardmedia.co.ke/m1/story.php?id=2000092553&pageNo=2

The third link is the one that mentions the motorcycle accident/death.

But don’t imagine this will slow the Mal-Valers down. They’ll just say Kenya’s two largest newspapers are in on it. Also in on it are all the people who knew Mark Ndesandjo and his family when Mark was growing up. All the neighbors, all the classmates, all the teachers, administrators, principals, etc. All these ppl wd have known there was never any David, but they’ve never uttered a word, not even a post or two on an anonymous blog.

You see, everyone plays along. When the Daily Nation mentions David over and over, and The Standard (of Nairobi) does the same, readers who know better just shrug and move on. It’s no big deal.

Just as it wouldn’t be any big deal here, if Obama had suddenly added a brother to his own family. Suppose in ‘95 Obama had announced he lost his twin brother, Stan, in ‘87. He said it was a family tragedy, and that’s why they didn’t talk much about it.

You’d think some of the ppl who went to Hi Schl w Obama wd say something. Something like, ‘But except for his sister in Indonesia, he was an only child’.

But no. Nobody would say anything. If Obama decided, in ‘95, that he needed the mythos of a heretofore unknown brother, ppl wd simply accept it and move on.

Right?

This is precisely the problem w Mal-Valism. Nobody ever steps forward to confirm any part of it. Not one person has mentioned Stanley Ann being absent her senior yr at Mercer Island. Instead, the school raises money on the basis of their most famous *graduate*, Stanley Ann Dunham. Hmm.

You’d think a Mal-Valer wd pen them a letter, and mention that it’s fraudulent to pretend a person graduated who didn’t. But this is what’s so weird about Mal-Valism. They never confront the liars. Never.

For a while Kapiolani Medical Center had posted, and was raising $ based on, that hokey letter Obama sent them, claiming he was born there. Then WND sent the hospital a letter and pointed out that if Obama wasn’t born there, they were committing fraud. Boom; the letter disappeared and hasn’t been seen since.

Why won’t the Mal-Valers do similarly w Mercer Island? If they actually get results, the way WND did, they could throw that in the face of the doubters. Still they make no move. Hmm.

I could go on. Nobody at UoW has ever contested the fact that SADO went there a semester. No one who participated in the ‘forged’ transcript has ever blown a whistle. The forged LFBC has a whistleblower, a prominent one. But not one soul has ever said a word about ‘forging’ SADO’s transcripts. Nor has any prof who is listed as having taught her denied it. Profs deny having taught Obama at Columbia. But none have ever questioned SADO’s HI or WA transcripts/class attendance. Hmm.

Nothing about Mal-Valism makes sense. Yet some ppl cling to it. & don’t think a prominent article in Kenya’s largest newspaper will change that. It won’t. Nothing will. Ever. Sad but true.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 4:55:56 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

One more thing. Ppl will say SADO’s profs are all dead. I don’t know; some no doubt are, but I doubt they all are. Nevertheless, let’s go w classmates. One of Obama’s classmates at Columbia swears Obama wasn’t there. He’s gone on record, & isn’t shy a bit.

How about SADO’s classmates? Well it was her actual classmates, from the graduating class at Mercer Hi, who suggested starting the scholarship in her name. They had all gotten together for a reunion, and it bothered them that SADO couldn’t be there. So they brainstormed the idea of the scholarship.

Thus, far from remarking on SADO’s absence in her senior year, her classmates actively affirm her presence.

If her Hi Schl classmates are still alive & kicking, so are quite a few of her college classmates. David Maraniss talked to some of them. They recall her at the UoH. So far, none of them has pulled a Wayne Root and claimed she wasn’t at, for instance, Washington in the fall semester of ‘61.

Why not even a single college-age SADO whistleblower?

Well maybe, in fact, likely, because SADO, unlike her shyster son, actually attended her classes and made her grades. That is the big difference.


22 posted on 03/21/2014 5:10:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
The Kenyan 'articles' are sourced from 'Dreams' and the book by Jacobs. You could have saved yourself a lot of blah blah blah.

Page>>2 Obama Snr died in a car crash in 1982, and in 1987, his son David was killed in a motorcycle accident in Nairobi. Mark now lives in Hong Kong, adopting his Tanzanian stepfather’s name Ndesandjo.

It's proof of what? That they can read?

23 posted on 03/21/2014 6:04:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks for the links. No one in Kenya has objected to Barry’s Muslim half-brother, Malik, and Barry’s Jewish half-brother, Mark both claiming that David existed. Both Malik and Mark have posted pictures of David on their own web pages.

I suspect that Mark has been following the Mal-Val cult claims on Free Republic, which he would have seen if he had searched his name on the web, and he may have directly intended to refute Mal-Val by placing his own adult picture on the front cover of his book. Mark has squeezed his adult picture as close as possible to his picture circa age 9 next sitting next to David circa age 6.

The new book cover picture of the two brothers shows normal aging of both boys from the prior family picture and studio pictures circa 1970 when they were circa age 5 and 2.

In the 1970 family picture, Ruth is lovingly cupping Mark’s face in her hand while holding an obviously maternally-bonded David in her arms.

The Mal-Val cult would have us believe that the 1970 family shot and the studio pictures were of two entirely different boys named Roman Obama and Barry and was taken in Boston in 1964 right before BHO Sr. and Ruth left for Kenya. Also on the cover of Mark’s new book is a circa early 1965 picture of his mom, the party girl, obviously younger less matronly as Rush in the circa 1970 picture...that Mal-Val cult says was from 1964.

The Mal-Val cultists also claim that the two boys are only about 6 months apart, when anyone who has had sons can see they are about 3 years apart, as were Mark and David.

I suspect that these claims enraged Mark and to show that he is the “darker boy” and not the unrelated “Roman Obama of Moscow” in 1980, Mark showed his adult face right next to his childhood face circa 1974 with the obvious gradual aging from the circa 1970 pictures.

The fact that David has aged normally from the circa 1970 photo to the circa 1974 photo and is still in Kenya refutes any claims that it is Barry and not David in the studio pictures of the two boys published so often in eligibility threads by Mal-Val cultists.

Slam dunk for Mark against the Mal-Val Cult!


24 posted on 03/21/2014 6:42:38 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Forgot to say, you need to enter NDESANDJO into Search on that Daily Nation site:

http://www.nation.co.ke/page/search/DailyNation/-/1148/1148/-/view/asSearch/-/r4tvx4z/-/index.html

to bring up the links which will give you the headlines to the articles, which are available elsewhere. Don’t thank or bless me, I’m happy to be helpful. /s


25 posted on 03/21/2014 6:50:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp
...In the 1970 family picture, Ruth is lovingly cupping Mark’s face in her hand while holding an obviously maternally-bonded David in her arms.

Only one problem with that - the dark boy isn't Mark. Funny how little space one needs to write the truth.

26 posted on 03/21/2014 6:54:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp

That is excellent analysis. Thank you.

It really is an interesting choice of images for Mark to use. Maybe you’re right, and he picked it because the younger boy is (1) so obviously David, and (2) so obviously not anybody else.

I can’t add anything to your comments on the age of those involved. There is definitely a two to three yr difference between the ages of the boys. I never realized the Mal-Valers claimed it was only a few mos. Not even close to the right ballpark.

Btw, is it generally known that in 2010 Roman Obama was appointed to the Washington DC embassy for Equatorial Guinea? He remains there to this day:

The Embassy of Equatorial Guinea

2020 16th Street, NW, Washington DC 20009
Phone: (202) 518-5700
Fax: (202) 518-5252

Chief of Mission: Mr. Roman Obama Ekua, Second Secretary, Charge d’Affaires ad interim

Consular and other offices of The Embassy of Equatorial Guinea in the United States.

http://www.embassy.org/embassies/gq.html


27 posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:50 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Seizethecarp

Try coming straight to the point:

You are using an image of two young boys which appeared on a book cover - but you have no way of knowing who they are, because they are not identified. You are using an image of UNIDENTIFIED children in your rebuttal. How does that work?

I’m sure you can use a lot less words if you try.


28 posted on 03/21/2014 7:01:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred, this idea that everyone in the world gets all their info from Dreams is absurd. The writers of the two Nairobi articles didn’t need or use Dreams for the Kenyan side of their piece. No doubt they used it for the HI bit, but fortunately that bit was small and nonessential. All the vital info is in the Kenyan part. And no, it didn’t use Dreams because the info in it was not in Dreams, not even close.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 7:04:44 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I hope you have a happy, blessed day and continue to enjoy patting each other on the back.
You’ve both gone right off the deep end.


30 posted on 03/21/2014 7:06:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fantasywriter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3135727/posts?page=19#19

your Daily Nation link leads all the way to Sally Jacobs book and the rest of it is straight out of the myth of ‘Dreams’. You can’t get away with making it sound as if a Kenya website has confirmed anything, when they ATTRIBUTE what they write to a SOURCE. Are you conscious?


31 posted on 03/21/2014 7:11:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

The playing field has shifted. And all for the better. You are fighting yesterdays battles, Fred. Can’t say I blame you, but times have changed. The largest and second largest newspapers in Kenya have weighed in, and w info found nowhere in Dreams. Face it, the writers & editors there kow things you don’t.

Or are you now claiming to know more about doings in Nairobi than the writers and editors at both The Daily Nation and The Standard combined?


32 posted on 03/21/2014 7:17:04 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fred Nerks

Apparently in your mind Dreams has become a 1,000 p treatise on Nairobi from the early sixties through 1982.

Except in reality...it’s not.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 7:19:17 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

The ‘information’ you are quoting is ATTRIBUTED by the Kenyan publication to THE BOOK BY SALLY JACOBS.

http://www.nation.co.ke/page/search/DailyNation/-/1148/1148/-/view/asSearch/-/r4tvx4z/-/index.html

Enter NDESANDJO into Search. (your link was dead, I had to go to WAYBACK to find it) and then this appears:

30/7/2011
How Obama father’s dream was ruined
Ruth tried half-heartedly to turn him away. But Obama charmed her with an onslaught of entreaties. He loved her to the core of his being. He adored their son and had yearned for them every day they...

Section News

8/4/2011
In the footsteps of her brother, Obama
Dr Auma Obama has written her autobiography, Das Leben Kommt Immer Dazwischen (Life Happens). The book is written in German, and the English translation is not yet available...

Section News

9/4/2010
Book challenges Obama claims
Barack Obama’s depictions of his Kenyan father and grandfather are challenged in a new biography of the American president...

Now follow the headlines, and you’ll find the BOOK REVIEWS.


34 posted on 03/21/2014 7:24:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fantasywriter

Kenya: How Obama Father’s Dream Was Ruined By Nairobi’s Happy Hour And Ethnicity
30 July 2011

The Bold and Reckless Life of Barack Obama’s FatherObama, the Bright Economist Who Lived On... The Life And Times of the Bold But Reckless...

Excerpted from “The Other Barack: The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama’s Father,” by Sally H. Jacobs:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201107310007.html


35 posted on 03/21/2014 7:29:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Wait a minute. I thought you said the entire three articles came straight out of Dreams. Now you’re saying Sally Jacobs.

Are you telling me Sally Jacobs wrote Dreams?


36 posted on 03/21/2014 7:29:33 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fred Nerks

‘Obama flew to the U.S. not as part of a larger student airlift, as is generally believed, but only because Mooney mentored his admission to the University of Hawaii and persuaded fellow literacy advocate Frank Laubach to help defray Obama’s expenses. This significant discovery is just one of many notable revelations in Sally Jacobs’s “The Other Barack,” but the cumulative effect of her thoroughly researched biography is deeply depressing. Jacobs, a reporter for the Boston Globe, has far outstretched all previous journalists in unearthing an impressive array of new information about Obama’s life, but her richly sourced account of how a promising young adulthood quickly descended into daily alcoholic binges and serial domestic violence paints an even more dramatically downbeat portrait than did Obama’s namesake son 16 years ago in “Dreams From My Father.” Indeed, although “The Other Barack” greatly enriches our knowledge of the elder Obama’s life, it is such a painfully disheartening narrative that some interested readers — and certainly one in particular — should avoid Jacobs’s tragic account.’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-the-other-barack-by-sally-h-jacobs/2011/07/11/gIQAKAKuAI_story.html


37 posted on 03/21/2014 7:30:34 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I have nothing more to say. You obviously have a major reading comprehension problem, and I have a cat to take to the vet. Bye.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 7:31:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

You obviously have a major reading comprehension problem’

If only it were as bad as you wish it were, you’d be in clover.

‘I have a cat to take to the vet.’

I hope all goes well.


39 posted on 03/21/2014 7:33:59 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Seizethecarp

Africa is a hellhole.


40 posted on 03/21/2014 7:37:06 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Africa is a hellhole.

Pretty soon, we'll have little room to talk.

41 posted on 03/21/2014 7:37:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

?


42 posted on 03/21/2014 7:40:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Fantasywriter

You supplied dead links and I had to go and find them through Wayback Archives, I located the articles you used in your comment, I followed the headlines to the sources, I posted excerpts, I identified where they came from and showed the links, and you haven’t woken up yet that what you used as some sort of ‘African/Kenyan’ confirmation of your assertions CAME FROM BIOGRAPHIES written by US authors?

And I’m out of date? LOL!


43 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fantasywriter

You’ve now shown TWO book reviews of the same book from two different sources.

Book review: ‘The Other Barack’ by Sally H. Jacobs
By David J. Garrow,


44 posted on 03/21/2014 7:48:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

First you said it all came from Dreams. Then you said it all came from Sally Jacobs. I’m saying the writers and editors of the largest and second largest Kenyan papers use many sources. I’m also saying they’re not as dumb as sacks of hammers. They are capable of using multiple sources. They are able to evaluate their sources. Being not merely in Kenya, but actually in Nairobi, they are in a WAY better position than you to fact check the sources they use.

They all agree David Ndesandjo was a real person. No, Fred, you are not a greater authority than all the writers and all the editors, not only of these two newspapers but of many more, that all agree David is Mark’s younger brother. Many of these writers actually went to Nairobi. They interviewed people who knew the Ndesandjos. They did more than internet research. And their conclusion is unanimous.

And so is Mark’s. & if you were just a shade more circumspect, you’d realize Mark is in a better position to know if he had a brother named David than you are.


45 posted on 03/21/2014 7:55:13 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You quoted this website which I had to find in the archives:

http://web.archive.org/save/http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/896442/-/vsglbc/-/index.html

When I entered ‘NDESANDJO’ into search, one of the articles listed was the following:

30/7/2011
How Obama father’s dream was ruined
Ruth tried half-heartedly to turn him away. But Obama charmed her with an onslaught of entreaties. He loved her to the core of his being. He adored their son and had yearned for them every day they...

I then entered ‘How Obama father’s dream was ruined’ into Google Search:

And that provided the article on AllAfrica com, which showed the review of SALLY JACOBS BOOK.

But you’ll have to subscribe to read more of that review.

Do you follow? YOU quoted THE PUBLICATION. I looked for, and found the article itself.

Now I must attend to my errand.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 7:57:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Seizethecarp

If you follow this, please set your buddy straight, I’m giving up. She quotes from a book review and attributes that to some sort of purely Kenyan sourced knowledge. I give up. I’ve posted about as much as I can in an effort to explain.


47 posted on 03/21/2014 8:02:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred, you are the master of triviality. I found all three of the articles before you did. I read them all. Now you want some kind of badge/trophy for finding them after I found them originally.

If you got a big shiny medal, what difference would it make? You still haven’t been to Nairobi. You still haven’t interviewed a single person who knew the Ndesandjos. You haven’t interviewed a single Ndesandjo. You haven’t looked at any of the local records. You are a continent away, claiming to know more than those who have worn the leather off the soles of their shoes doing actual research.

Well you don’t. You have a crazy theory that is dead wrong. And that’s really all you have.

Well, you also have snark. But I wouldn’t brag on that. It’s overrated.


48 posted on 03/21/2014 8:06:06 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

http://standardmedia.co.ke/m1/story.php?id=2000092553&pageNo=2

Page>>2
Obama Snr died in a car crash in 1982, and in 1987, his son David was killed in a motorcycle accident in Nairobi. Mark now lives in Hong Kong, adopting his Tanzanian stepfather’s name Ndesandjo.=============

and that is confirmation of nothing other than what is written in ‘Dreams’


49 posted on 03/21/2014 8:09:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Are you sure you’re not racist? It sounds like you are giving these African newspaper men/women about as much credit as third grade children, copying lines off a white board.


50 posted on 03/21/2014 8:11:59 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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