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The NRA Wins Again
The Atlantic ^ | MAR 28 2014 | CONOR FRIEDERSDORF

Posted on 03/28/2014 12:06:13 PM PDT by neverdem

The Newtown shooting led gun-control advocates to try the same failed strategies again. And once again, they didn't work.

After the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, many in the American media insisted that the tragedy should prompt a "conversation about gun control." These articles were written as if there had never been such a conversation. In fact, the issue had been debated for decades. Given the results, I argued, there was no reason to presume that a new conversation would end in more gun control.

That conversation has now come and gone. The result?

"Perverse as it may sound, the horrific mass shooting in December 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary produced a burst of state-level gun control bills around the country and then triggered a much stronger pro-gun backlash," Paul M. Barrett reports at Businessweek. "The counter-reaction has now reached its apogee in Georgia. In the past year alone, 21 states have enacted laws expanding gun rights, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. Several states added piecemeal provisions allowing firearms on college campuses or in bars or churches. Georgia’s politicians, egged on by the National Rifle Association, have gone for broke."

He goes on to offer advice to gun-control advocates:

The smart response is not scorn or exaggeration...


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlantic; banglist; conorfriedersdorf; nationalrifleassn; nra

1 posted on 03/28/2014 12:06:13 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Americans win again.


2 posted on 03/28/2014 12:12:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: neverdem

Funny stuff, and in the Atlantic.

Too bad we’ve not been this strong on morality issues, the issues God is judging us for.


3 posted on 03/28/2014 12:14:43 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: neverdem

The NRA sure as hell isn’t winning in New Jersey!


4 posted on 03/28/2014 12:16:29 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: neverdem
The smart response is not scorn or exaggeration...

Scorn and exaggeration is the only response Liberals know.

5 posted on 03/28/2014 12:16:31 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: neverdem

“In the aftermath of a gun tragedy, there isn’t anything wrong with proponents of gun control trying to persuade Americans to change their position in light of what happened.”

Why is it that idiots like this will NEVER change their position, REGARDLESS OF FACTS.

I know, why don’t we try this:

- Eliminate most laws regarding gun ownership and purchase.

- In fact, let’s allow guns to be sold through mail order.

- Let’s have most adult males that severed in the military be allowed to bring back their military weapon and keep it fully loaded and unlocked at all times.

- Let’s get rid of all metal detectors and police officers at schools.

Wait a minute - that’s the environment I grew up in the 1950’s. Since guns were even MORE available then - there must have been a school shooting every day!

Except there wasn’t.

And even though we have much more strict gun laws, police and metal detectors in schools - we still keep having such events. So if somebody actually wanted to ‘change their position in light of what happened’ they would come to realized that guns had nothing to do with it. If they did, the ‘50s would have been a blood bath.

But it is better to try to keep the focus on guns, rather than have the sheeple discover the truth. And the truth is, the more and more liberal ideas are accepted in our society, the more dangerous and hopeless our society becomes.

And that’s the REAL cause of what is happening today.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 12:17:20 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: YHAOS

Let us not leave out prevarication.


7 posted on 03/28/2014 12:18:18 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Sure would be nice if the same articles weren't posted multiple times)
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To: neverdem

Too bad we didn’t have an NRA version for climate control or economic policies.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 12:23:07 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: neverdem
egged on by the National Rifle Association

Is "egged on" ever used in regard to anything but a wicked act? I've never heard it used any other way. No bias here.

9 posted on 03/28/2014 12:37:18 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: I cannot think of a name
Why is it that idiots like this will NEVER change their position, REGARDLESS OF FACTS.

Gun grabbers are not unlike pacifists. They are true believers. They are impervious to logic and facts. You may as well argue with glalal warming alarmists.

10 posted on 03/28/2014 12:42:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: I cannot think of a name

“- In fact, let’s allow guns to be sold through mail order.”

In the early ‘60’s you could walk into K-Mart or Sears and buy a hand gun. No wait. I don’t know if they took your driver’s license info, but I doubt it. I do remember buying .22LR ammo as a kid and they required my DL and entered it in a book I had to sign. I recall an episode on Dragnet where somebody was shot with a .38, so they went around and looked at all the ammo logs and caught the guy. What a laugh.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 12:45:52 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Renegade

The NRA sure as hell isn’t winning in Connecticut!


12 posted on 03/28/2014 12:52:36 PM PDT by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: neverdem

The NRA wasn’t involved in most of these fights. It chooses its battles carefully. What came out, not after Newtown, but after several insane people killed others, was very obvious to objective observers.

1) The left, very cynically, stated that it intended to use those tragedies to advance part of its agenda, that being gun control. They actually said this in public, and the public response was some level of disgust, but not support.

In effect it said, “We don’t care that these children were butchered. We only care about our profiting from their loss.”

2) This cynicism and lack of intellectualism was front and center as they argued for gun control. At times they blatantly lied, stated that up was down and night was day, and just expected the public to buy it. Arguing against them, the people who support gun liberty always tried to be very accurate in their facts.

3) Underlying events, such as black on white crime, absolutely hurt the gun control arguments. Even black on black crime is so random and extreme that the public wants to be able to defend itself. Hypocrites like Bloomberg, who wants to protect himself but not for other people to be protected, was the icing on the cake.

Repugnant and repulsive people are not good advocates.


13 posted on 03/28/2014 12:54:01 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: neverdem

The current answer to them is

“Leland Yee. San Francisco Democrat. Gun control advocate and major gun runner.”


14 posted on 03/28/2014 12:54:02 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gen.Blather

“In the early ‘60’s you could walk into K-Mart or Sears and buy a hand gun.”

In 1964 my Dad said if I made all B’s or higher, I could buy a pistol. I made B’s, and bought my first gun. An Astra 9mm purchased mail order through a company called Service Armament.

I filled out the order slip and went to a small local food store to use my hard earned money to buy a money order ($24.38). When I got ready to send in the order, I began to wonder if being 15 years old would be a problem, so my Dad signed his name along the margin of the order blank.

I still have the gun, the box and shipping envelope it came in. Addressed to me, at the home I grew up in.

Did I sneak it school to show off to all my friends - hell no! Back then every home was equipped with this person called ‘Dad’ who was not shy with a belt. There might have been a gun and ammunition sitting on the top shelf of my closet - but you sure didn’t do anything stupid with it.

(And by the way, so much for what 15 year old kids know - that gun is a POS).


15 posted on 03/28/2014 12:57:37 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

“(And by the way, so much for what 15 year old kids know - that gun is a POS).”

Don’t feel bad. At 55 I bought a Kahr 9mm. It will only fire a few brands of 9mm Luger. It turns out 9mm comes as 1”1/16” and 1”3/16”. All my other guns are fine with both. Not the Kahr. I cycle every round through it before putting it away to make sure they’ll feed. It cost $550.


16 posted on 03/28/2014 1:04:04 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: kickstart
The NRA sure as hell isn’t winning in Connecticut!

They can sweep out all the communists if the 400,000 hunters in the state ALL go to the poles in November and vote them ALL out.

17 posted on 03/28/2014 1:08:19 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Renegade

New Jersey isn’t really part of the USA, or shouldn’t be anyway. Maybe the tides will rise from global warming and we wont have to talk about it any more because of the new ocean front in Philly.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 1:09:39 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Gen.Blather

Your gun uses 9x19mm Luger nothing else. You probably bought 9×18mm Makarov.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 1:16:00 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Gen.Blather

9mm short 380, 9x18 mak, 9x19 luger, 9mm x21 largo, 9mmx23

along some other more obsolete 9mm

Lots of choices make the correct one


20 posted on 03/28/2014 1:53:15 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: I cannot think of a name
Is this your pistol? They are well thought of. They are designed for the 9x21 cartridge, though they are known to be able to function somewhat with the regular 9x19 lugar cartridge, they are not designed for it. I have had a couple and they tend to be pretty accurate. Collectors want them. Unceta Astra 400 Pistol
Astra 400.JPG http://www.9mmlargo.com/400/

21 posted on 03/28/2014 1:57:58 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Renegade
"The NRA sure as hell isn’t winning in New Jersey!"

They and the people of Arkansas won on 16 Aug 2013 when Arkansas became a "Constitutional Carry State".

I strongly recommend anyone living in the Socialist state of NJ move without delay. Oh, don't import any liberal marxist, socialist voting ideas to Arkansas. You'll be run out of town on a rail.

Have a great day and...

"Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed".

22 posted on 03/28/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Oops, not 9x21, 9x23, also known as the 9mm Largo. It is a good cartridge, and can be found with a bit of effort. A fair number of the Model 400 Astra pistols that were imported had a slight modification to the bolt face and were marked 9mm/38. They could also fire the .38 ACP (not .38 Super) cartridge.


23 posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:05 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Astra 400 pistols in excellent condition go for about $350.

http://www.gunauction.com/shop/guns/pistols-for-sale


24 posted on 03/28/2014 2:11:37 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: All
Fine. But titles like this are missing what is obvious to me and many others. We barely win the most basic and obvious Constitutional issues. This means USConstitution is being and _will_ be discarded entirely.
25 posted on 03/28/2014 2:13:53 PM PDT by veracious
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To: Gen.Blather; I cannot think of a name
“- In fact, let’s allow guns to be sold through mail order.”

In the mid-'50s, in NYC no less, I ordered, and received via the mail, a 7.35MM Carcano and a 310 Martini cadet from Ye Olde Hunter (who later sold 55 caliber Boys/Boyes anti-tank rifles). Both came wrapped in newspaper and wired to a piece 1x6x36 lumber. Never had any problems.

Same with going to the downtown indoor range to qualify with my M144 Mossberg .22 - put gun in case, board bus, pay my nickel, get off at the stop near the range. Nobody batted an eye.

But . . . God help you if you were caught with even a cap and ball revolver - Sullivan Law reigned supreme.

26 posted on 03/28/2014 2:27:56 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: neverdem; All

The NRA does NOT win anything...

The “people” win, not the organization...

And at the end of the day, we still have our guns, regardless of actions taken for or against our right to keep and bear arms as WE see fit!!!

No one will get them from me...Period...


27 posted on 03/28/2014 2:47:00 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: mosaicwolf

BUT you still have the stain as the home of the First Pervert CLINTOON!


28 posted on 03/28/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Clean_Sweep

Hopefully the rising tide will cover Philly as well.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 3:06:06 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: marktwain

Yep, that’s it.

No locked breech means it kicks harder than it should for such an anemic cartridge, trigger is hard as a rock, sights are virtually non-existent. Mine is the true 9x21. Ammo used to be (maybe still is) plentiful.

Obviously mine has sentimental value and won’t be sold, but I have seen many of them at gun shows for $150 and less. The guy wanting $375 is probably an optimist. Mine actually came with a holster, but it started growing mold and was discarded decades ago.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 3:27:26 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Oatka

A kid that lived down the street from me was in high school ROTC. Once a month he had to take his rifle home with him. Of course it was a 1903 drill rifle that was non-firing. But you would see this guy marching down our street with a rifle slung over his shoulder. This was after riding a city bus to get to our street.

Nobody thought a thing about it.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 3:44:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Oatka

A kid that lived down the street from me was in high school ROTC. Once a month he had to take his rifle home with him. Of course it was a 1903 drill rifle that was non-firing. But you would see this guy marching down our street with a rifle slung over his shoulder. This was after riding a city bus to get to our street.

Nobody thought a thing about it.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 3:44:22 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: neverdem

In Connecticut, gun owners published the names, addresses and phone numbers of legislators who passed the Nazi gun laws. That scared the crap put of these Nazis and commies.

That was a good and proper action by the good citizens of Connecticut. Leftists understand only threats of violence, violence and death.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 4:17:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: I cannot think of a name

When I was a kid, we would be at our uncle’s house. In the basement he set up a target shooting range down the length of the basement. All of us kids—the youngest was nine—got to shoot the gun. There was six of us. When turned 13 we all went to gun training class. Once we passed the gun training class we could go hunting deer and elk with my dad and uncle. My brother became such a good marksman that he would win big stuffed animals at the state fair which always had a 22 target shooting arcade. He always gave his prize to his girlfriend who was with him. And he aced his target shooting test in the Army.

We never had shootings like we have today.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 4:44:16 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

On the link, that is an auction site where you can see what the guns actually sold for. $350 is not unusual for one in good condition.

Sorry to hear that yours has a hard trigger. Mine have had very good triggers. The cartridge is a bit more powerful than a standard 9x19, in between it and a .38 Super.

The machining on those pistols would make them $1000 guns today. Pretty tight tolerances and significant machining.

The sights are fixed, and they are small. They are no smaller than the Colt 1911 sights made in the same period.

Certainly a collectors gun today. If I would see one for $150, I would grab it in a second. The original box and shipping information makes it even more valuable.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 5:03:29 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Oatka; All

History of the Sullivan law. It was put in place by a ganster for gangsters:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-strange-birth-of-nys-gun.html

Is anyone surprised that corrupt politicians and criminal gangs both want a disarmed citizenry?


36 posted on 03/28/2014 5:06:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Raycpa

GOOD one!


37 posted on 03/28/2014 5:26:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: I cannot think of a name
That is the environment we grew up in in the '50s, but there are some critical differences. We didn't have the nightly slaughter on television, the desensitizing effects of graphic violence in cinema and video games, nor the cultural callousness toward life which has developed since the SCOTUS found a right to shred and slaughter the unborn in the womb.

We had guns galore, I remember dad stuffing the order form and check in an envelope and getting a gun in the mail. But we also had the proper understanding of the time and place for violent acts, the morality of it all, and the cultural will to send the most egregious offenders to meet their maker without undue delay.

Sadly, those aspects of the '50s are often lacking in modern culture, along with a basic sense of decency and civility.

Granted that an armed society is a polite society, but there would be some object lessons before that effect became sufficiently widespread.

Personally, I'd like to see the laws rolled back past the NFA of '34. At least there would be sufficient firepower to administer those lessons en masse if necessary.

38 posted on 03/28/2014 8:04:18 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: MrB
“Leland Yee. San Francisco Democrat. Gun control advocate and major gun runner.”

How better to profit than make the product illegal? That way he could charge more!

39 posted on 03/28/2014 8:06:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: neverdem
"Perverse as it may sound, the horrific mass shooting in December 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary produced a burst of state-level gun control bills around the country and then triggered a much stronger pro-gun backlash," Paul M. Barrett reports at Businessweek. "The counter-reaction has now reached its apogee in Georgia. In the past year alone, 21 states have enacted laws expanding gun rights, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Great news - maybe we should welcome the silly one-sided 'conversations' liberals have about gun control... because of the Internet our side gets heard too... Boy I'll bet that p*sses the liberals off.,...

40 posted on 03/28/2014 8:15:54 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Hugin
Is "egged on" ever used in regard to anything but a wicked act?

I'll bet CONOR FRIEDERSDORF - the guy who wrote this - is a puffed up liberal elite who hates conservatives and middle class Americans...

41 posted on 03/28/2014 8:20:32 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This was part of a reply I posted to another thread, and it IS the complete cause of the violence in our society today:

“And the truth is, the more and more liberal ideas are accepted in our society, the more dangerous and hopeless our society becomes.”

That is what is to blame for MOST of what is wrong today. And until it is reversed, nothing will get better.


42 posted on 03/28/2014 9:10:09 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

I just saw that same scene less than a week ago.


43 posted on 03/28/2014 9:25:33 PM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: I cannot think of a name

No argument here, FRiend.


44 posted on 03/28/2014 9:56:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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