Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The NRA Wins Again
The Atlantic ^ | MAR 28 2014 | CONOR FRIEDERSDORF

Posted on 03/28/2014 12:06:13 PM PDT by neverdem

The Newtown shooting led gun-control advocates to try the same failed strategies again. And once again, they didn't work.

After the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, many in the American media insisted that the tragedy should prompt a "conversation about gun control." These articles were written as if there had never been such a conversation. In fact, the issue had been debated for decades. Given the results, I argued, there was no reason to presume that a new conversation would end in more gun control.

That conversation has now come and gone. The result?

"Perverse as it may sound, the horrific mass shooting in December 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary produced a burst of state-level gun control bills around the country and then triggered a much stronger pro-gun backlash," Paul M. Barrett reports at Businessweek. "The counter-reaction has now reached its apogee in Georgia. In the past year alone, 21 states have enacted laws expanding gun rights, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. Several states added piecemeal provisions allowing firearms on college campuses or in bars or churches. Georgia’s politicians, egged on by the National Rifle Association, have gone for broke."

He goes on to offer advice to gun-control advocates:

The smart response is not scorn or exaggeration...


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlantic; banglist; conorfriedersdorf; nationalrifleassn; nra
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last
To: I cannot think of a name
Is this your pistol? They are well thought of. They are designed for the 9x21 cartridge, though they are known to be able to function somewhat with the regular 9x19 lugar cartridge, they are not designed for it. I have had a couple and they tend to be pretty accurate. Collectors want them. Unceta Astra 400 Pistol
Astra 400.JPG http://www.9mmlargo.com/400/

21 posted on 03/28/2014 1:57:58 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Renegade
"The NRA sure as hell isn’t winning in New Jersey!"

They and the people of Arkansas won on 16 Aug 2013 when Arkansas became a "Constitutional Carry State".

I strongly recommend anyone living in the Socialist state of NJ move without delay. Oh, don't import any liberal marxist, socialist voting ideas to Arkansas. You'll be run out of town on a rail.

Have a great day and...

"Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed".

22 posted on 03/28/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name

Oops, not 9x21, 9x23, also known as the 9mm Largo. It is a good cartridge, and can be found with a bit of effort. A fair number of the Model 400 Astra pistols that were imported had a slight modification to the bolt face and were marked 9mm/38. They could also fire the .38 ACP (not .38 Super) cartridge.


23 posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:05 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name

Astra 400 pistols in excellent condition go for about $350.

http://www.gunauction.com/shop/guns/pistols-for-sale


24 posted on 03/28/2014 2:11:37 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: All
Fine. But titles like this are missing what is obvious to me and many others. We barely win the most basic and obvious Constitutional issues. This means USConstitution is being and _will_ be discarded entirely.
25 posted on 03/28/2014 2:13:53 PM PDT by veracious
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather; I cannot think of a name
“- In fact, let’s allow guns to be sold through mail order.”

In the mid-'50s, in NYC no less, I ordered, and received via the mail, a 7.35MM Carcano and a 310 Martini cadet from Ye Olde Hunter (who later sold 55 caliber Boys/Boyes anti-tank rifles). Both came wrapped in newspaper and wired to a piece 1x6x36 lumber. Never had any problems.

Same with going to the downtown indoor range to qualify with my M144 Mossberg .22 - put gun in case, board bus, pay my nickel, get off at the stop near the range. Nobody batted an eye.

But . . . God help you if you were caught with even a cap and ball revolver - Sullivan Law reigned supreme.

26 posted on 03/28/2014 2:27:56 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; All

The NRA does NOT win anything...

The “people” win, not the organization...

And at the end of the day, we still have our guns, regardless of actions taken for or against our right to keep and bear arms as WE see fit!!!

No one will get them from me...Period...


27 posted on 03/28/2014 2:47:00 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mosaicwolf

BUT you still have the stain as the home of the First Pervert CLINTOON!


28 posted on 03/28/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by Renegade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Clean_Sweep

Hopefully the rising tide will cover Philly as well.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 3:06:06 PM PDT by Renegade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Yep, that’s it.

No locked breech means it kicks harder than it should for such an anemic cartridge, trigger is hard as a rock, sights are virtually non-existent. Mine is the true 9x21. Ammo used to be (maybe still is) plentiful.

Obviously mine has sentimental value and won’t be sold, but I have seen many of them at gun shows for $150 and less. The guy wanting $375 is probably an optimist. Mine actually came with a holster, but it started growing mold and was discarded decades ago.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 3:27:26 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Oatka

A kid that lived down the street from me was in high school ROTC. Once a month he had to take his rifle home with him. Of course it was a 1903 drill rifle that was non-firing. But you would see this guy marching down our street with a rifle slung over his shoulder. This was after riding a city bus to get to our street.

Nobody thought a thing about it.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 3:44:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Oatka

A kid that lived down the street from me was in high school ROTC. Once a month he had to take his rifle home with him. Of course it was a 1903 drill rifle that was non-firing. But you would see this guy marching down our street with a rifle slung over his shoulder. This was after riding a city bus to get to our street.

Nobody thought a thing about it.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 3:44:22 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

In Connecticut, gun owners published the names, addresses and phone numbers of legislators who passed the Nazi gun laws. That scared the crap put of these Nazis and commies.

That was a good and proper action by the good citizens of Connecticut. Leftists understand only threats of violence, violence and death.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 4:17:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name

When I was a kid, we would be at our uncle’s house. In the basement he set up a target shooting range down the length of the basement. All of us kids—the youngest was nine—got to shoot the gun. There was six of us. When turned 13 we all went to gun training class. Once we passed the gun training class we could go hunting deer and elk with my dad and uncle. My brother became such a good marksman that he would win big stuffed animals at the state fair which always had a 22 target shooting arcade. He always gave his prize to his girlfriend who was with him. And he aced his target shooting test in the Army.

We never had shootings like we have today.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 4:44:16 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name

On the link, that is an auction site where you can see what the guns actually sold for. $350 is not unusual for one in good condition.

Sorry to hear that yours has a hard trigger. Mine have had very good triggers. The cartridge is a bit more powerful than a standard 9x19, in between it and a .38 Super.

The machining on those pistols would make them $1000 guns today. Pretty tight tolerances and significant machining.

The sights are fixed, and they are small. They are no smaller than the Colt 1911 sights made in the same period.

Certainly a collectors gun today. If I would see one for $150, I would grab it in a second. The original box and shipping information makes it even more valuable.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 5:03:29 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Oatka; All

History of the Sullivan law. It was put in place by a ganster for gangsters:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-strange-birth-of-nys-gun.html

Is anyone surprised that corrupt politicians and criminal gangs both want a disarmed citizenry?


36 posted on 03/28/2014 5:06:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Raycpa

GOOD one!


37 posted on 03/28/2014 5:26:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name
That is the environment we grew up in in the '50s, but there are some critical differences. We didn't have the nightly slaughter on television, the desensitizing effects of graphic violence in cinema and video games, nor the cultural callousness toward life which has developed since the SCOTUS found a right to shred and slaughter the unborn in the womb.

We had guns galore, I remember dad stuffing the order form and check in an envelope and getting a gun in the mail. But we also had the proper understanding of the time and place for violent acts, the morality of it all, and the cultural will to send the most egregious offenders to meet their maker without undue delay.

Sadly, those aspects of the '50s are often lacking in modern culture, along with a basic sense of decency and civility.

Granted that an armed society is a polite society, but there would be some object lessons before that effect became sufficiently widespread.

Personally, I'd like to see the laws rolled back past the NFA of '34. At least there would be sufficient firepower to administer those lessons en masse if necessary.

38 posted on 03/28/2014 8:04:18 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MrB
“Leland Yee. San Francisco Democrat. Gun control advocate and major gun runner.”

How better to profit than make the product illegal? That way he could charge more!

39 posted on 03/28/2014 8:06:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
"Perverse as it may sound, the horrific mass shooting in December 2012 at Sandy Hook Elementary produced a burst of state-level gun control bills around the country and then triggered a much stronger pro-gun backlash," Paul M. Barrett reports at Businessweek. "The counter-reaction has now reached its apogee in Georgia. In the past year alone, 21 states have enacted laws expanding gun rights, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Great news - maybe we should welcome the silly one-sided 'conversations' liberals have about gun control... because of the Internet our side gets heard too... Boy I'll bet that p*sses the liberals off.,...

40 posted on 03/28/2014 8:15:54 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-44 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson