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Air Force removes Bible from POW-MIA display
Fox News ^ | March 31, 2014 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 03/31/2014 6:23:46 PM PDT by DaveMSmith

On March 14 Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh told members of the House Armed Services committee that there was no war on religious liberty.

“The single biggest frustration I’ve had in this job is the perception that somehow there is religious persecution inside the United States Air Force,” the general told lawmakers. “It is not true.”

Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) told me the Air Force seems to be the worst offender when it comes to attacks on religious liberty.

If that’s true, perhaps Gen. Welsh could explain why a Bible was removed from a POW/MIA Missing Man Table at Patrick Air Force Base in Florida. The removal of the Good Book was first reported by the Gannett-owned newspaper Florida Today.

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Ron Crews, the executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, told me he hopes the Air Force will restore the Bible to its rightful place. He called it a symbol of hope and courage for military personnel and their families.

“It is sad when military traditions honoring our POWs and MIAs are trumped by pursuits to remove any vestige of the faith that has sustained our warriors since Valley Forge,” Crews told me.

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The following is the Air Force’s explanation of what happened:

"The 45th Space Wing deeply desires to honor America's Prisoners and War (POW) and Missing in Action (MIA) personnel. Unfortunately, the Bible's presence or absence on the table at the Riverside Dining Facility ignited controversy and division, distracting from the table's primary purpose of honoring POWs/MIAs. Consequently, we temporarily replaced the table with the POW/MIA flag in an effort to show our continued support of these heroes while seeking an acceptable solution to the controversy. After consultation with several relevant organizations, we now intend to re-introduce the POW/MIA table in a manner inclusive of all POWs/MIAs as well as Americans everywhere."

1 posted on 03/31/2014 6:23:46 PM PDT by DaveMSmith
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To: DaveMSmith

No doubt Obama is thrilled - as are all the countless Moslem enemies of America, and the nation’s atheists as well.

Personally, I find it a little strange that some air force boffin somewhere, despite all the facile and specious excuses, went along with this, but apparently in an age of declining expectations, you have to expect these things.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 6:27:41 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: DaveMSmith

SICK


3 posted on 03/31/2014 6:28:27 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: DaveMSmith
..., we now intend to re-introduce the POW/MIA table in a manner inclusive of all POWs/MIAs as well as Americans everywhere."

Wonder how they will do that? Maybe a little statue of satan on the table, Buddha, too, and maybe drawing of mohammed fondling Aisha.

4 posted on 03/31/2014 6:29:19 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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5 posted on 03/31/2014 6:29:32 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: DaveMSmith

What a bunch of crap. Once again our military gives in to a few loud voices. We truly are in the dumper.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 6:29:34 PM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: DaveMSmith

Who told the general to move it? Who approved the move?

How much controversy is created by moving it?

Our country is in dire need of patriotic, military leadership....not gutless pansies.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 6:32:04 PM PDT by jch10 (The Democrat mascot shouldnÂ’t be the donkey; it should be the tick.)
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To: certrtwngnut

Mikey Weinstein is at again.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 6:33:39 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: DaveMSmith

Drudge Report today had a story about Valerie Jarrett going to healthcare.gov today to join. She tweeted that it was “easy peasy.”

Anyway, I went to looking into the photos on her twitter page. I was hoping to find some diversity .... well that’s another story.

Anyway, here is a pic of her (I believe at the White House) celebrating Nowruz. Nowruz? Nowruz is partly rooted in the religious tradition of Zoroastrianism.

The men and women of our services cannot be exposed to the Bible but the clowns running (and ruining) our nation can have their twisted religious holidays there?

https://twitter.com/vj44/media


9 posted on 03/31/2014 6:35:07 PM PDT by boycott
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To: certrtwngnut

Another mark down for Satan. I wonder when they will convert The Pentagon into The Pentagram?


10 posted on 03/31/2014 6:35:11 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: DaveMSmith

Shameful.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 6:36:53 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: DaveMSmith

When I joined the USAF back in 1966, we had a Master Sergeant tell us that he feared that within five years, chapels would no longer be allowed on the military bases.

He was off by quite a few years, but it is now happening.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 6:37:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: DaveMSmith
On March 14 Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh told members of the House Armed Services committee that there was no war on religious liberty. “The single biggest frustration I’ve had in this job is the perception that somehow there is religious persecution inside the United States Air Force,” the general told lawmakers. “It is not true.”

There is absolutely no war on Christianity and no religious persecution in Obama's military. The removal of divisive symbols such as a Bible in this display, crosses in many military chapels, the American flag in areas where that might give offense, the Ten Commandments, the Bill of Rights, and other symbols of bitter clingers all have nothing to do with a war on Christianity.

The fact that Obama promised to stand with the Muslims if things got ugly is irrelevant. I'm confused on why only 343% of Americans can correctly identify Obama's faith as Christian even after innumerable mainstream media stories confirming that report.

13 posted on 03/31/2014 6:37:51 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: DaveMSmith
On March 14 Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh told members of the House Armed Services committee that there was no war on religious liberty.

General Welsh, in the footsteps of his CIC, is a liar.

14 posted on 03/31/2014 6:38:31 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: DaveMSmith

I emailed my dad this story and he said he’s going to find a decal of a Bible and put it on his POW/MIA sticker he has on his car.


15 posted on 03/31/2014 6:40:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

How about two men on a wedding cake, and a barbie doll with a man’s head?


16 posted on 03/31/2014 6:42:56 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: DaveMSmith
Please indulge me as I post this graphic that I post periodically on the FR Canteen. The Bible is not only a religious Testament - it is the seminal work of Western Civilization. Without the Judeo-Christian Tradition, as formed by the Old and New Testaments, there is no Western Civilization. There is only hedonism, materialism and relativism. Our Founding Fathers kept its principles close to their hearts, and our society's retreat from those principles in recent decades has wrought substantial damage to our basic Freedoms, our security, and our way of life.



Welcome To All Who Enter This Canteen, To Our Serving Military, To Our Veterans, To All Military Families, To Our FRiends and To Our Allies!



Missing Man Setting

"The Empty Chair"

By Captain Carroll "Lex" Lefon, USN (RET), on December 21st, 2004

"In the wardroom onboard the aircraft carrier from which I recently debarked was a small, round table, with single chair. No one ever sat there, and the reasons, both for the table being there, and for the fact that the chair was always empty, will tell the reader a little bit about who we are as a culture. The wardroom, of course, is where the officers will dine; morning, noon and evening. It is not only a place to eat – it is also a kind of oasis from the sometimes dreary, often difficult exigencies of the service. A place of social discourse, of momentary relief from the burdens of the day. The only things explicitly forbidden by inviolable tradition in the wardroom are the wearing of a cover or sword by an officer not actually on watch, or conversation which touches upon politics or religion. But aboard ships which observe the custom, another implicit taboo concerns the empty chair: No matter how crowded the room, no matter who is waiting to be seated, that chair is never moved, never taken.

The table is by the main entrance to the wardroom. You will see it when you enter, and you will see it when you leave. It draws your eyes because it is meant to. And because it draws your eyes it draws your thoughts. And though it will be there every day for as long as you are at sea, you will look at it every time and your eyes will momentarily grow distant as you think for a moment. As you quietly give thanks.

AS YOU REMEMBER.

The small, round table is covered with a gold linen tablecloth. A single place setting rests there, of fine bone china. A wineglass stands upon the table, inverted, empty. On the dinner plate is a pinch of salt. On the bread plate is a slice of lemon. Besides the plate lies a bible. There is a small vase with a single red rose upon the table. Around the vase is wound a yellow ribbon. There is the empty chair.

We will remember because over the course of our careers, we will have had the opportunity to enjoy many a formal evening of dinner and dancing in the fine company of those with whom we have the honor to serve, and their lovely ladies. And as the night wears on, our faces will in time become flushed with pleasure of each other’s company, with the exertions on the dance floor, with the effects of our libations. But while the feast is still at its best, order will be called to the room – we will be asked to raise our glasses to the empty table, and we will be asked to remember:

The table is round to show our everlasting concern for those who are missing. The single setting reminds us that every one of them went to their fates alone, that every life was unique.

The tablecloth is gold symbolizing the purity of their motives when they answered the call to duty.

The single red rose, displayed in a vase, reminds us of the life of each of the missing, and their loved ones who kept the faith.

The yellow ribbon around the vase symbolizes our continued determination to remember them.

The slice of lemon reminds us of the bitterness of their fate.
The salt symbolizes the tears shed by those who loved them.
The bible represents the faith that sustained them.
The glass is inverted — they cannot share in the toast.
The chair is empty — they are not here. They are missing.

And we will remember, and we will raise our glasses to those who went before us, and who gave all that they had for us. And a part of the flush in our faces will pale as we remember that nothing worth having ever came without a cost. We will remember that many of our brothers and sisters have paid that cost in blood. We will remember that the reckoning is not over.

We many of us will settle with our families into our holiday season, our Christmas season for those who celebrate it, content in our fortune and prosperity. We will meet old friends with smiles and laughter. We will meet our members of our family with hugs. We will eat well, and exchange gifts and raise our glasses to the year passed in gratitude, and to the year to come with hope. We will sleep the sleep of the protected, secure in our homes, secure in our homeland.

But for many families, there will be an empty chair at the table this year. A place that is not filled.

WE SHOULD REMEMBER."

Many Thanks To Alfa6 For Finding Capt. Lefon's Chronicle Of "The Empty Chair."

"Träumerei"
Robert Schumann
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Never Forget The Brave Men And Women Who Gave
Their Lives To Secure Our Freedom!!






"Riamh nár dhruid ó sbairn lann!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

17 posted on 03/31/2014 6:43:05 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: DaveMSmith

wouldn’t want the muslim and wiccan POW’s to feel offended now, would we?


18 posted on 03/31/2014 6:45:54 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: DaveMSmith

Wow, typical Air Force pandering BS.

That statement says nothing other than “Whoops”


19 posted on 03/31/2014 6:46:13 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: DaveMSmith

I don’t freakin believe this!


20 posted on 03/31/2014 6:47:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: DaveMSmith

Wonder if Mikey Weinstein had anything to do with it.


21 posted on 03/31/2014 6:47:39 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: DaveMSmith

it’s getting to a point where I wouldn’t defend this country, as it’s no linger my country or one I even like

I’m already ok with anyone flushing San francesspool and detroit.

I’m just getting more disgusted by the day


22 posted on 03/31/2014 6:48:35 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Jack Hammer

It is obvious that our foot soldiers have balls, while our generals do not.

‘Twould be interesting if it is one of our female generals who gives the Obamadork the finger.

I really think that sooner or later, it will be our military standing between us and our gubmit.

And which way they point their guns will determine their honor.


23 posted on 03/31/2014 6:50:10 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ConorMacNessa
Thank You for that.

Blessings

24 posted on 03/31/2014 6:51:25 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Gays and Leftists do not practice tolerance, they simply wasn’t others to surrender. Same with Islam.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 6:55:19 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: kaehurowing

Drag shows are fine though


26 posted on 03/31/2014 6:57:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Chode; SgtBob

GGRRRRRRRRR!!!


27 posted on 03/31/2014 6:59:14 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Jack Hammer

I just emailed the Air Force and asked for a name of who made the decision. I won’t hold my breath waiting for a response.

http://www.af.mil/ContactUs.aspx


28 posted on 03/31/2014 6:59:28 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: onedoug

It is obvious that their careers are more important than their country.

I am sickened by what is happening to America under Obama. We can no longer trust our military.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 7:01:44 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: DaveMSmith

30 posted on 03/31/2014 7:01:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: DaveMSmith

And the hits keep on coming. Dollars to donuts this comes all the way from the top.


31 posted on 03/31/2014 7:02:01 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: DaveMSmith; All

The explanation was weak, unfaithful to a basic belief rooted in a majority of those that serve this country and that honor those that have fallen or suffered in that service...

If this is what the Air Force “leadership” is reduced to, then I hope that their recruiting quotas and their retention levels suffer a tremendous hit...

They deserve what is coming...

And if those who have served in this branch of service are somewhat insulted by my opinion, it was not meant to be personal or disrespectful of those affiliations...

There is a point where you have to draw a (the) line regardless...

Just my opinion...


32 posted on 03/31/2014 7:04:35 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: jch10

its the pensions....its the pensions....when all is said and done, these pansies just want to get their big fat pensions....and that my friends trumps all patriotism, all morality, all spirituality, all common sense...


33 posted on 03/31/2014 7:05:31 PM PDT by cherry
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To: sten

many feel the same as you.....


34 posted on 03/31/2014 7:06:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: DaveMSmith
Scripture and their Christian faith was essential to many of the men surviving their imprisonment.

To remove the Bible from the display not only cuts the guts out of what went on in the prison camps but is an abomination and an offense not only to the men who believed and survived the awful ordeal but to God Himself.

Whoever did this should be ashamed, and the 45th Space Wing should be mortified they caved in to this wickedness.

"Controversy" my a$$! It is an open attack on God and those men who believe in Him. Those who meekly go along with it are as guilty as those who conceived the idea.

35 posted on 03/31/2014 7:07:53 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama is a Caesar at home and a Chamberlain abroad - Richard Goodwin)
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To: cherry

Who do you think can take away their retirement pay? It certainly cannot be taken away by administrative fiat. Whether they quit, are fired, required to retire, it doesn’t matter. Their years of honorable service will be computed and they will begin drawing the retirement pay appropriate for their rank. For most General Officers that means a pay raise since most of them are currently administratively prohibited from drawing their full pay and allowances.

If they are a three or four star, the Service Secretary or the Secretary of Defense could direct that they be retired in a lower grade like Major General, but this would have to be done through due process. They could be denied retirement pay only through the action of a Court Martial.

Their money is not at risk, but their egos are.


36 posted on 03/31/2014 7:18:37 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Jack Hammer
Personally, I find it a little strange that some air force boffin somewhere, despite all the facile and specious excuses, went along with this, but apparently in an age of declining expectations, you have to expect these things.

His only concerns are his promotion and his pension. Another politically correct butt kisser.

37 posted on 03/31/2014 7:21:14 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: BlueYonder; thingumbob; amzgirl; 75thOVI; Ravenstar; June2; LuvFreeRepublic; AdvisorB; 88keys; ...
Hard to believe this is happening in our backyard, Brevard County, Florida ping.

Let me know if you want on or off this ping list.
(not associated with the county government)


38 posted on 03/31/2014 7:22:18 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: mabarker1; Chode

I’ve got a 20’x12’x6’ pile of trees and branches...I’ve a mind to toss my Dress Blues on the pyre shortly after ignition.


39 posted on 03/31/2014 7:24:01 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: DaveMSmith

I am certain that if the AF did a due diligence search of American POWs from WW2 forward to Afghanistan they would find very few, if any, non-Christian POWs.

If so, then there is absolutely no reason to kiss the @$$ of any person or group who complains about the Bible in the display.

Go ahead and ask the remaining survivors of the Hanoi Hilton and other NVA POW camps about the importance of faith in that environment.

One more minor thought - those who want the Bible removed need to go back to Fairchild for a couple of weeks in the compound. Of all my graduation certificates I ever got that is the one I guard the most, January 1972 is the date.


40 posted on 03/31/2014 7:24:29 PM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Expunging tokens of faith even from places where it obviously played a HUGE role.

God is mad.


41 posted on 03/31/2014 7:24:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: gaijin

Traitor!


42 posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:33 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: DaveMSmith

Welsh is terrified of being sued by Mickey Weinstein .
Micky Weinstein needs to have a close encounter with a fast moving bus .


43 posted on 03/31/2014 7:58:03 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: boycott

@vj44 huh.

Now we know for sure who’s the REAL POTUS.


44 posted on 03/31/2014 8:18:00 PM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: SgtBob; mabarker1
it's like they are trying to see how much sh!t they can force the country to eat...

if i say anything else i'll simply get suspended or a knock at the door, so on that note, i'll say goodnight, then my PRAYERS, and goto bed

45 posted on 03/31/2014 8:25:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: shove_it

Yep. Valerie is running the show. And she’s no better qualified than a community organizer.


46 posted on 03/31/2014 9:24:35 PM PDT by boycott
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To: certrtwngnut
Then the solution is to be...

LOUDER!!!


47 posted on 03/31/2014 10:25:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith

Tell your kids, nephews and nieces, young neighbors, co-religionists and others of that age to skip the military if and until we get a “Reagan” figure and congress back into national leadership who can reverse this nonsense. Coming from a family who came here in 1690 I don’t say this lightly.


48 posted on 03/31/2014 10:28:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: kaehurowing
How about two men on a wedding cake, and a barbie doll with a man’s head?

We are all too familiar with the stories out of Hollywood of how screwed up some star's kids became and are becoming.

I fear for John's two offspring...

49 posted on 03/31/2014 10:31:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: anyone


50 posted on 03/31/2014 10:42:03 PM PDT by deks
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