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California's Anti-GMO Hysteria
National Review Online ^ | March 31, 2014 | Henry Miller

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: acapesket

hey Val Pal.
How come UCLA Med Centers stopped serving antibiotic fed meat per the LA Times? They must be REALLY crazy!


21 posted on 04/01/2014 9:47:20 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: acapesket

I don’t think you understand what I said. The EPA has defined the terms and rules so they can declare any and all livestock operations a CAFO anytime they want to, irrespective of reality and reason.

(Do you even know what CAFO means?) Non CAFO doesn’t mean GMO free and GMO Free doesn’t mean non CAFO. Livestock can be neither or both.

I buy meat by the whole live animal. Beef from a local farmer, lamb I raise myself and pork from the local 4H auction. Not because I fear CAFO meats but because it tastes better and costs less.

There is already a non-GMO label. It’s called Certified Organic. There is also a secondary voluntary GMO Free label as well.

What I object to is the movement by the Food Luddites to force a “contains GMO” labeling system. That’s BS. The current voluntary system lets both the farmers and the consumers that want to partake in that specialty market do so without cost to the those who don’t.

Demanding a non-voluntary system is simply trying to socialize the costly culinary choices of the fearful few onto everyone else.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 10:05:52 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: acapesket

It’s sleight of hand by the medical community. The number one cause of antibiotic resistant microbes is the over-prescription of them by doctors.

I also suspect another huge contributor to the problem is anal sex with a revolving door of treatment and re-infection.

Antibiotic use by farmers is merely a convenient whipping boy.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 10:23:25 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: NYAmerican
25 pharmaceutical companies will phase out animal antibiotics
24 posted on 04/01/2014 11:25:53 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: acapesket

You may not have said anything about the EPA, but it is being used by your brethren nevertheless.

Just as the Luddites of old, who claim that they were ‘just trying to save the jobs’ by wrecking the industrial machinery, todays Food Luddites are ‘simply trying to protect consumers’.

Some attack the food production machinery with ‘labeling’, others attack from the angle of ‘saving the environment’, or maybe ‘animal rights’, and any other sabotage that works.

What they all have in common are the tools developed by the Left which they have become so skilled at using over the years. Regulatory agencies comb the countryside, forcing on producers and consumers the costs and burdensome labeling rules, land use requirements, livestock rules, and any number of food production destroying techniques.

Their (including quite a number of Freepers) goal is very simple; Destroy the greatest food producing machine the world has ever witnessed.

Since I may be gone for awhile, the answer to your next question, asked in faked absolute outrage, is ‘Yes’.


25 posted on 04/02/2014 5:20:44 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: neverdem

Which means the cost of meat is going up again. Because now instead of over the counter access, a vet prescription will be necessary.

The big outfits like Tyson’s will have a substandard vet that will do as he is told on staff, no problem for them.

The small producers, however, will see skyrocketing vet bills since they’ll have to call a vet every time a cow or ewe gets mastitis or a bummer calf or lamb gets pneumonia. Not to mention the lost time in arranging appointments instead of dropping by the co-op for the needed medicine.

effing Luddites claiming to be on the side of the little guy, but screwing us over at every turn, because they are STUPID TOOLS.


26 posted on 04/02/2014 7:47:07 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: acapesket
Agreed. Risk expert Nassim Nicholas Taleb (author of The Black Swan, and risk expert) makes the point here.
27 posted on 04/02/2014 7:58:20 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke
What the...?

When you want sound science you turn to a statistician, hedge fund manager, and derivatives trader for the truth? Really?

When you have a scary looking and fast growing mole on your skin, do you go to your car mechanic for advice?

The stupid, it burns.

28 posted on 04/02/2014 11:28:54 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: slowhandluke
Let’s say each GM seed that’s produced holds a 0.1% chance of — somehow, in the intricately interdependent web of nature — leading to a catastrophic breakdown of the ecosystem that we rely on for life. All by itself, it doesn’t seem too harmful, but with each new seed that’s developed, the risk gets greater and greater.

Seeds are mutating everyday in nature. That risk is unacceptable, we need to eliminate that risk.

Let's pave over the rain forest, to start, it's the only way to stay safe.


29 posted on 04/02/2014 12:52:49 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: stubernx98

Genetic engineering refers to pasting genetic code into one species from another It does NOT refer to crossbreeding or any of the various breeding methods used by nature and man over the millennium The artilce is misleadig at best.


30 posted on 04/02/2014 1:13:38 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: stubernx98

Genetic engineering refers to pasting genetic code into one species from another It does NOT refer to crossbreeding or any of the various breeding methods used by nature and man over the millennium The artilce is misleadig at best.


31 posted on 04/02/2014 1:13:48 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: stubernx98

Genetic engineering refers to pasting genetic code into one species from another It does NOT refer to crossbreeding or any of the various breeding methods used by nature and man over the millennium The artilce is misleadig at best.


32 posted on 04/02/2014 1:13:54 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: pacific_waters

but at this point what does it matter?


33 posted on 04/02/2014 2:47:15 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: neverdem

I saw that...that’s great news, as far as I’m concerned. And I don’t believe the companies are doing it because of the FDA, I believe they are making the changes because of the old fashioned, “consumer demand”...it’s what customers are asking for! We don’t need any Federal Agency for that.


34 posted on 04/02/2014 2:50:06 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: Balding_Eagle

I’ve done some reading/research into how the huge “Factory Farms” operate......but I’m no expert, I’ve never actually seen one or known someone who has worked in one. Do you have any personal knowledge of them? I’d be extremely happy to hear from someone who has personal knowledge of them and tells me they are not really filthy at all......please tell me!


35 posted on 04/02/2014 2:50:06 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: pacific_waters

Nature does transfer genetic code between species, it’s called horizontal or lateral gene transfer. It is quite common in the viral and bacterial world.

Interspecies hybrids also occur in nature in both the plant and animal world.


36 posted on 04/02/2014 3:24:50 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: NYAmerican

I had what was once call a ‘factory farm’, raised 15,000 market hogs per year, birth to market. What would you like to know?

BTW one of the feed mixes contained Snickers Bars, others Gummy Worms and Bears.


37 posted on 04/02/2014 6:15:44 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Valpal1

Like zoonosis?


38 posted on 04/02/2014 7:21:59 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: acapesket

Uh, no. Zoonosis is the transfer of an animal disease to humans, like rabies, bubonic plague, Lyme’s disease, various parasitic worms, salmonella being some of the better known ones.

Has nothing to do with genetic transfer.


39 posted on 04/02/2014 7:59:03 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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I know what zoonosis is, that is why I mentioned it. Various parasitic worms lets say from GMO to humans, pests like ticks becoming immune to glyphosate say, rabies and bubonic plaque passed to humans from rats that have eaten glyphosate crops say and then been exposed to glyphosate pesticide say..
Nah…nothing to do with genetic transfer…Nah


40 posted on 04/02/2014 8:27:07 PM PDT by acapesket
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