Ukraine crisis: Nato warns Russia against further intervention

BBC ^ | 8 April 2014

[McGruff]

Nato has warned Russia that further intervention in Ukraine would be a "historic mistake" with grave consequences.

[AndyJackson]

Does this mean NATO has accepted Crimea is gone?

I guess I missed something. When was the Crimea NATO's in the first place?

[demshateGod]

They just waited until it looked like Russia was done to issue their warning.

[Samogon]

I think your outline is realistic and even orcs of Mordor get it, that is why they are still festering near the border. But also, Ukrainian Army picked up the slack and won’t let them have it easily. Russians rely on overwhelming superiority, otherwise they are clumsy cowards, ready to play dead at any harsh sound.

[tumblindice]

I think I saw him in “Iceman.”

[Samogon]

Small side issue, but I've never spoken with a petulant person with Down's.
Do you know any Russians?

[Samogon]

BTW, the ability is there, we are lacking will to use it.

[SampleMan]

I get petulant, but if the Russians are retards, then what are we, as they are outsmarting us at every turn?

They look petulant and smart. It may be an old playbook they are using, but at least they understand it.

[SampleMan]

BTW, the ability is there, we are lacking will to use it.

Ability without will is a meaningless distinction. A person willing to use a knife is dangerous, a person unwilling to use a nuclear weapon is harmless.

[Samogon]

Looking smart? From which side? Turning just barely accepted as almost civilized nation back into an isolated mob of neanderthals with a bomb doesn’t look too smart to me.

[Tzimisce]

....demands are only good if one can back them up....

[duckln]

Stalin was from Georgia, Kruschev was from the Ukraine. They have been part of Russia for centuries.

We should recognize this. Pull NATO out of east Europe, and stop our 25 yr shad en war against the new democratic Russia just so the world can seize and plunder their resources.

Russia is pro family, anti abortion, pro christian, flat tax,etc. They are heading the right way, we're heading for the dumps. For the sake of future generations, the world needs Putin as a leader over the likes of Obama.

[tcrlaf]

“Limited air strike in case of further aggression will drive them to panic. For example, a 2-hour long operation could reduce their Black Sea fleet to a pile of rubble,”

Leading to a Nuclear exchange, and the end of life as we know it.

Attacking the Black Sea Fleet would justify an IMMEDIATE Nuclear response, most likely against US Forces in the Red Sea or Indiana Ocean.

It would be the hallmark of stupid.

[tcrlaf]

“My opinion is that any Russian invasion of Ukraine must lead to a protracted war using asymmetrical warfare.”

And that is a fantasy that simply is not going to happen. Crimea already proved that.

[nomad]

And they retaliate against western European infrastructure with cruise and intermediate ballistic missiles while cutting off their gas, WWIII. OR attack one of our carrier groups with their diesel electric subs and supersonic cruise missiles, WWIII. What about handing over live nukes to Iran to use against Saudi Arabia and other pro Petro-Dollar oil countries to collapse our suicidally over extended currency, WWIII. We can do this all day but what`s the point.

[nomad]

I hope those new generals OBozo replaced are not that scatter brained.

[nomad]

Personally, my gambit would be to secretly issue nukes to Iran for them to use against Israel and the pro Petro-Dollar Saudi oil alliance. That`d obliterate the dollar, yet still leave a glimmer of hope that WWIII wouldn`t take out the whole world.

[Grampa Dave]

[Grampa Dave]

[Psalm 144]

So, help me out here. Is this an illustration of Ukrainian security or Ukrainian discourse? Or both? Good thing there were no molotovs handy! The smoke damage would have been prohibitively expensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEdV8aWnu1g

You state the guy being beaten is a Communist. Is he a Marxist Leninist or Trotskyite? A Maoist? Shining Path? Exactly what makes him a Communist? Were the ones trying to protect him Communists too?

Now I get really confused. Was the crowd beating the Communist composed of the faction which whacked the fat Chechen freedom fighter guy? Remember, the brave fat patriot guy who boldly faced down the dangerous law clerk? This fat guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5vSCGSvf3U

Or were the beaters the ones who vowed to avenge the fat guy on the other putschists? You know - these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LZduChpyM

Or were the Ukrainian Communist beaters the ones who -whacked- the fat guy? You know, the police? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtK0uIx5GI

And if the faction which killed the fat guy are the same ones beating the Communist, does this mean the fat guy was a Communist too?

Oh, one final question, and I appreciate your patience. Is this Ukrainian - Moscow trash - tv guy a Communist too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GeBpZ5VHY

What a vivid and vibrant culture! I am impressed. I’ve certainly made up my mind how very much America needs to commit gold, blood, time, energy, fuel and advanced weapons in support of this nation.

[SampleMan]

Looking smart? From which side? Turning just barely accepted as almost civilized nation back into an isolated mob of neanderthals with a bomb doesn’t look too smart to me.

When they are standing on your neck, you can point that out to them.