Posted on 04/10/2014 10:35:30 AM PDT by bimboeruption
Nope!
Not as long as there are mortgages, cars, trucks and boat payments to be made as well as the soccer, baseball, hockey and football practices that have to be attended......
Maybe next month......
Unfortunately there will be no revolution.......
Yes, I am agreement with you as you post it here.
There is always a revolution, eventually.
And cows don’t file lawsuits.
To take it? Absolutely not. To buy it from another country? Yes.
Article 1, Section 8 item 17:
17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;(there’s an and here that leads into the next item)
The 10 mile square IS the District of Columbia. One is allowed as the national seat of government.
The ONLY other land ownership legal for the fed gov is:
Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-yards and other needful buildings.
Is this land under discussion a fort? no.
Is this land under discussion a magazine for the storage of military munitions? no.
Is the land under discussion a dock-yard? no.
Is this land under discussion an “other needful building”? no.
So, how is it legal to demand rent on land that can not be legally owned by the authority demanding the rent?
“would make the last civil war look like a church choir practice!”
Humans have perfect the art of bringing pain, death, and misery since then.
Of course, to buy it from another country, but for what purpose?
To incorporate it into the United States of America. First as a territory, then as a state. Once statehood is achieved, all rules, limits and obligations become limited to ONLY what the Constitution allows the fed gov.
The fed gov originally taking possession of the land by purchase, rather than conquest, makes no difference what-so-ever.
The fed gov is limited by The Constitution and any acts, actions or possessions that lay outside the restraints placed upon the fed gov by The Constitution are illegal and illegitimate.
It is not only our right, but our duty as citizens to force the fed gov, by whatever means necessary, to keep its damned self within the limits set by The Constitution.
“Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to “protect” lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake “endangered species” du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself”
Here’s something to think about. We have debated, won elections, been lied to by our pols. We’re debating while our rights are being taken by brute force. Maybe this guy unilaterally decided to take out the stinking trash that no one else would touch.
I agree with the text and your discussion in this post - thanks. But I would like some clarification.
You have also stated that “The FedZilla can and has bought lands... which become territories.”
But you have also quoted Article 1, Section 8 item 17, “The ONLY other land ownership legal for the fed gov is: Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-yards and other needful buildings.”
Here is my disconnect (and others.) Article 1, Section 8 item 17 states clearly what land FedZilla can own. But we also know that FedZilla can own other land, which we call territories.
Is it your premise that once FedZilla turns those territories into states, that “the limits on land ownership by the fed gov come into play,” are now specifically governed in Article 1, Section 8 item 17?
“exercise exclusive Legislation” is legally interchangeable with “own”?
I don’t know.
Oops, my post 211 was during your post 209, which you have answered my question.
“That being said, this thing stinks. It screams of a set up. You don’t graze for free on BLM land for 20 years. Back home they come looking for you if you are 30 days late on a payment.”
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It is quite bizarre. Look at the Harry Reid - Neil Kornze involvement here:
http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/obama-picks-neil-kornze-as-next-blm-head
http://www.doi.gov/whoweare/blm-dir.cfm
These people are neighbors of sorts. I bet this thing has deep and old roots.
Agreed. This is tinderbox. Imagine if the Katrina gun confiscation happened now.
the territory aspect is in another article... 4 I think. It was quoted earlier by another poster.
The original poster of that article claims it means territory in general. My contention is that it means areas possessed by the US but are not states. Otherwise, there’d be zero reason to list those things allowed specifically in Art 1, Sec 8, Item 17.
“exercise exclusive Legislation” is legally interchangeable with “own”?
The exclusive legislation is in ref to the 10 mile square, ceded by other state(s) in which the seat of federal governance is located. Ie: Wash DC.
Thanks..
Your premise is strong. If we assume it be correct, then they way in which FedZilla created the state of Nevada is certainly unconstitutional - there should have been no strings attached, no continuing FedZilla authority within the state. And those that agreed with the creation should not have!
But they did.. and now, as you “It is not only our right, but our duty as citizens to force the fed gov, by whatever means necessary, to keep its damned self within the limits set by The Constitution.” Which I always agree with!
Nah. Probably kicked in the teeth a few times, but you'll heal. Heh.
(I so far agree with BuckeyeTexan.)
Now yer playin' with fire. ;p
I think he may be right. Not sure we need “the court of public opinion.” Public opinion elected Obama. He lacks vision. If the Feds continue to escalate, this won’t be Waco or Ruby ridge (if the feds play the child abuser white supremacist card, we know it’s on). Patriots in this country won’t allow 10-30 other patriots to be slaughtered, whether they agree with the Bundy’s or not. Others will join the fray and 30 dead will turn into 100, then it’ll go into autopilot, and we’ll have a full scale civil war withing a month. If the feds back off, one inch, we’ll learn something very valuable about them.
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