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To: Ghost of SVR4; WilliamofCarmichael; DollyCali; joanie-f; Dukie; Squantos; JohnHuang2; RobFromGa; ...

Yes, I was at Klamath and very heavily involved there for months.

Let me say a thing or two here.

1st, when I went to Klamath, I emailed several contacts I had in various militias from the Clinton years (Montana, Texas, Ohio, etc.)and told them I was going unarmed and for them not to send anyone down there unless the Federal government committed violence against us. They never did...but it was close on several occassions and there was a lot of talk at night about fighting. I could not blame them....their livelihood and property was being destroyed and taken from them by people who were in their face and using a preposterous reason to do so...that the Sucker Fish...trash fish...in their particular eco-system were endagenered. Anyhow, we were blessed to have been able to get through that back then and get the water turned back on for the farmers at that time for the next season.

2nd, this rancher’s case is not as clean as the farmers in Klamath. He paid a lease to the Federal government for years and years, and then stopped. I understand that the Federal Government should not control or own that land in the first place, but they defacto do, and when you go along with it and lend them legitimacy by paying their lease...you put yourself in a much harder position, both leglally and from a public relations standpoint.

3rd, I believe the thing that may turn this is that the BLM LEOs have started perptrating violence against citizen protestors. I saw the video of the tazing and that is not going to play well. That will bring (and probably already is bringing them) other people from around th country into it, like the militias, who will come down there with a bit in their mouth...who are already spoiling for a fight because ot the unbelievable travesties of this administration...which are more direct and in your face than even the Clintons were.

So...it is a very dangerous situation. If it goes down, and a bunch of people somehow get through over there to stand with the rancher (and you can bet that the feds are already putting in place assets to keep that from happening, including drones, surveillance, and all sort of technology to identify armed people heading that way and stop them...but, as I say, if enough people get around that and in place, you could easily see it spin out of control, go over the edge, and turn into a very seripous armed conflict between citizens and the feds which will force people to choose sides.

God guide us...God give us the wisdom to get through this according to His will and not our own. And God bless and preserve the Constitution and our liberty.

The tree is thirsty in any case, and is due for a watering. Let it be in God’s time.

America at the Crossroads
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


240 posted on 04/10/2014 3:01:19 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

It is indeed a dangerous situation. It’s not the hill I would pick to die on.


243 posted on 04/10/2014 3:03:24 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Jeff Head

Liberty tree....the blood of tyrants.....and patriots.
One thing though, the video capture and dissemination
of what ever happens, has been facilitated like never
before.
Interesting times my friend.


247 posted on 04/10/2014 3:07:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


249 posted on 04/10/2014 3:08:56 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Jeff Head
>>as I say, if enough people get around that and in place, you could easily see it spin out of control, go over the edge, and turn into a very seripous armed conflict between citizens and the feds which will force people to choose sides.<<


You know that 'if we have to go house-to-house, we will' stuff? Do you think they know that crap works both ways?

Those BLM G-men and their sniper teams had best be walking very lightly, using force very, very judiciously. Sir, now is not the time to be making enemies of your neighbors!

264 posted on 04/10/2014 3:49:12 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Jeff Head

I’d say you nailed it.

FReegards!


265 posted on 04/10/2014 3:50:27 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff - I’m uneasy about this one too... Thanks for the update.


276 posted on 04/10/2014 4:17:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (When fascism comes it will come..with promises of a better world.The jackboots come later..-Shapiro)
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To: Jeff Head; Ray76
Good evening. I hope you are doing well.

Ray 76 found this little tid bit...

Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/renewable_references.Par.48679.File.dat/Regional%20Mitigation%20Strategy%20for%20the%20Dry%20Lake%20Solar%20Energy%20Zone,%20Technical%20Note%20444%20%28March%202014%29.pdf

Methinks Harry Reid has his paws on this.

5.56mm

282 posted on 04/10/2014 4:38:23 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jeff Head

Violence might be what Obama and democrats want... we need to tread very softly - especially with the mixed ethics on this one... Klamath was blessed with being clean cut... our side was right. This doesn’t have that advantage.


284 posted on 04/10/2014 4:41:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (When fascism comes it will come..with promises of a better world.The jackboots come later..-Shapiro)
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear Jeff!


319 posted on 04/10/2014 8:16:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping, and level-headed analysis. I fear the left will push this as far as they can to distract from their lawlessness, right up till the elections. God save our republic.


321 posted on 04/10/2014 8:19:06 PM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: Jeff Head
God bless you, sir! I well remember your involvement at Klamath, and how proud we Southern Oregon Freepers were of the good fight that was fought there.

And now we really do need to pray that those on the "front lines" of both sides in this potentially disastrous confrontation yield to God's guidance, and NOT just act in accordance with "what seems right to a man".

336 posted on 04/10/2014 11:14:53 PM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: Jeff Head
2nd, this rancher’s case is not as clean as the farmers in Klamath. He paid a lease to the Federal government for years and years, and then stopped. I understand that the Federal Government should not control or own that land in the first place, but they defacto do, and when you go along with it and lend them legitimacy by paying their lease...you put yourself in a much harder position, both leglally and from a public relations standpoint.

I agree with you, Jeff, which isn't unusual at all.

The federal Taylor Grazing Act was passed in 1934, and required grazing contracts and the payment of grazing fees for use of federally owned land. In 1934, the first year it was required, the Bundy family entered into a grazing contract and paid grazing fees for the old Bunkerville allotment. This is inconsistent with a claim that a great-grandfather purchased permanent grazing rights to the Bunkerville allotment in the 1880s.

The Taylor Grazing Act contracts had ten-year terms.

The first contract expired in 1943, and subsequent contracts expired in 1953, 1963, 1973, 1983, and 1993. The Bundy family entered into each new contract and paid the grazing fee.

In 1993, the BLM changed the terms of the new grazing contract it offered Cliven Bundy. That's when he quit paying grazing fees. As long as the family agreed with the terms, they paid the grazing fee.

362 posted on 04/11/2014 9:25:32 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, God is already in charge of this. How many of us have asked on our knees for His help. I pray that no one gets hurt, but I also pray that America wakes up to what is happening.


384 posted on 04/11/2014 8:38:36 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff I miss your wisdom. I am so blessed by your impact on my life Sir.


393 posted on 04/19/2014 12:30:41 AM PDT by griffin
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