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Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
Gun Owners of America ^ | 10 April 2014 | Gun Owners

Posted on 04/10/2014 4:20:23 PM PDT by neverdem

Last Friday, Attorney General Eric Holder testified before a House appropriations subcommittee on behalf of his department's proposed budget for FY2015.

Apparently, Holder didn't think anyone would read his written submission, because he all-but-admitted that Obama intends to implement a Universal Gun Registry by executive fiat.

He also asked Congress to help fund so-called “smart gun” technology, which would prevent a gun from firing unless the shooter is wearing an accompanying bracelet or ring.

“Smart guns” are a dumb idea

Given that “smart gun” technology only works about 80 percent of the time -- according to the New Jersey Institute of Technology -- gun owners almost universally consider this a “dumb” idea.

Even police have rejected the “dumb gun” approach for themselves.

Currently, there are no such guns on the market in the United States. One gun store did briefly offer an Armatix .22 caliber earlier this year, but public outrage forced them to pull the handgun from the shelves.

Holder pushes a Universal Gun Registry

This year’s Obama budget shows how the administration is trying to quietly create the infrastructure for a universal gun registry.

In proposed “Program Increases” for the FBI, Holder has this to say:

“This program enhancement will double the capacity of the existing NICS [National Instant Check System] system. These expansions are vital in ensuring that the NICS system can support a Universal Background Check requirement, which is expected to double gross NICS transactions.”

Huh?

It may have escaped the Attorney General's notice, but the Democrat Senate defeated his Universal Background Check requirement.

So, in effect, Holder's asking for $100 million and 524 personnel to implement a program Congress rejected.

But that's not all.

Holder seeking more ATF agents to copy to 4473 forms

In the section on ATF “Program Increases,” Holder demands $51.1 million and 255 agents and other personnel for enforcement and inspections.

In case anyone has forgotten, these are the people who are going to the FFL's in connection with “annual inspections” -- and physically copying all the 4473's and bound book entries. GOA has reported on these efforts before, and one can read first-hand accounts from gun dealers here and here.

So under Holder's proposed budget, many more 4473's would be copied and fed into ATF's de facto registry.

At the same time, Obama's illegal Universal Background Check -- implemented, presumably, by executive fiat -- would ensure every gun transaction would have to go through an FFL. And this, of course, would guarantee that every American gun owner would have a 4473 which can be copied.

Think about it. With Republicans expected to take the Senate this fall -- and Obama stymied legislatively -- he has every incentive to go "full tyrant." And that, apparently, is exactly what he intends to do.

But we have no intention to sit back and let Holder take away our Second Amendment rights. We have drafted legislation to prohibit ATF from copying 4473's -- and to require it to destroy any 4473's it currently has.

UPDATE: GOA recently alerted you that an import ban on certain ammunition could be forthcoming from the ATF. Well, it’s official now -- the ATF just declared that Russian-made 7N6 5.45x39 ammo is armor piercing. This lawlessness represents another reason that Congress needs to cut the ATF’s budget.

ACTION: Contact your Representative. Demand that the Commerce-Justice-Science appropriations bill contain language to prohibit ATF from compiling a national gun registry by copying and retaining the 4473's of every American.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 4473; banglist; firearmregistration; guncontrol; gunregistration; gunrights; holder
The particular 7N6 5.45x39 ammo have steel cores according to one of the links.
1 posted on 04/10/2014 4:20:23 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Wish they could pass a law that all executive orders are vacated after 2 years if not legislated into law.


2 posted on 04/10/2014 4:24:49 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: neverdem

This will be as popular as a fart in a space suit.


3 posted on 04/10/2014 4:28:33 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: neverdem; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; ...
If Obama is even thinking of doing this, he must expect to lose the Senate. If it happens, it won't be until November at the earliest.
4 posted on 04/10/2014 4:31:11 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: neverdem
They actually want a “gun bracelet” for gun owners. Next up, a yellow Star of David to be worn outside for all Jews.
5 posted on 04/10/2014 4:32:51 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: neverdem
It's apparent these guys intend to register every gun and firearms transaction.

I assure you they have, now, a permanent database of every gun transaction they know about (and they been copying the info out of paper records at every FFL, in turn).

And there is a law on the books that specifically prohibits the maintenance of a federal, permanent record. Specifically.

This type of lawlessness can end only one way.

Trials and hangings.

6 posted on 04/10/2014 4:34:51 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: neverdem

By hook or by crook, President Lenin intends to void the constitution, and he’s got three more years to do it.


7 posted on 04/10/2014 4:36:28 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Mariner

“This type of lawlessness can end only one way.”

The problem is that a very large part of the electorate doesn’t think of it as lawlessness but “doing the right thing”.

IMHO


8 posted on 04/10/2014 4:39:30 PM PDT by ripley
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To: Mariner
The Brady law of 1993:

Section 103(i) of the Brady Act specifically bars federal agencies from retaining “any record or portion thereof generated by the [NICS] system,” and it prohibits the “registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions” of those who pass the background check.

That's pretty clear right there, I don't care WHO you are.

Now, if we just had a real Congress they could use that statute (ironic eh? The Brady Handgun Law lol) in the Impeachment trial.

9 posted on 04/10/2014 4:40:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Clintonfatigued; neverdem; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA
RE :”If Obama is even thinking of doing this, he must expect to lose the Senate. If it happens, it won't be until November at the earliest”

Not happening, no chance.

10 posted on 04/10/2014 4:41:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: neverdem

Holder and 0bama are scofflaws. I’ll be a scofflaw.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 4:43:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: neverdem

Nope— not gonna happen.


12 posted on 04/10/2014 4:44:46 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: Usagi_yo
Wish they could pass a law that all executive orders are vacated after 2 years if not legislated into law.

They can already override them, which is just about as good, except that then it becomes political, so of course they shirk their duty to do so.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 4:57:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem

Molon Labe’


14 posted on 04/10/2014 5:03:58 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: neverdem

Gun? What gun?


15 posted on 04/10/2014 5:18:51 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: neverdem

I’m sure my “rep” will agree with me. Yeah, I’ll call first thing in the morning.....
/s

see tagline (SFL)


16 posted on 04/10/2014 5:30:30 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: neverdem

At this point, unless the outgoing Obama gives Holder a pardon for all the crimes he has committed in office, Republicans should start keeping a tally, so that the day after inauguration day, the first appointed federal prosecutor will convene a grand jury.


17 posted on 04/10/2014 5:41:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: All

I swear to God, they’re wanting a shooting war.


18 posted on 04/10/2014 6:04:14 PM PDT by Jim Hill
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; Bender2; GeronL

They have a gun registry in Canada, it’s not even popular there.


19 posted on 04/10/2014 6:29:19 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Even in Canada they did away with the long gun registry a couple years ago. Lots of Canadians never bothered to register their guns anyway.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 6:40:35 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; Bender2; ...

F*** ‘em.

No compliance.


21 posted on 04/10/2014 7:08:09 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; Bender2; GeronL

So the gun-registry thing is anitem in Obama’s budget? The same budget that got all of two votes in the House today? I wouldn’t worry about that thing ever becoming law.


22 posted on 04/10/2014 7:10:37 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: neverdem

Yes, much of that contains steel cores. And 7.62x39 pistols do exist. Hence this applies:

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium

We’ve known this one was coming for a long time. Just when.
Olympic Arms inadvertently initiated the issue, IIRC.


23 posted on 04/10/2014 7:10:55 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: neverdem

I will never, ever register a single firearm. I long ago stopped buying ammo and accessories with credit cards - cash only. I will fight to keep my rights. Trying to take my weapons is more than justification enough for me to use them.


24 posted on 04/10/2014 7:37:26 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Mariner
6 ... And there is a law on the books that specifically prohibits the maintenance of a federal, permanent record. Specifically. This type of lawlessness can end only one way. Trials and hangings.

1. Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act (1968): ATF Form 4473
The Form 4473 contains name, address, date of birth, government-issued photo ID, National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background check transaction number, make/model/serial number of the firearm, and a short federal affidavit stating that the purchaser is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law. Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to 5 years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by the NICS, although prosecutions are rare in the absence of another felony committed with the gun purchased. The dealer also records all information from the Form 4473 into their "bound-book". A dealer must keep this on file at least 20 years and is required to surrender the log to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) upon retirement from the firearms business. The ATF is allowed to inspect, as well as request a copy of the Form 4473 from the dealer during the course of a criminal investigation. In addition, the sale of 2 or more handguns to a person in a 5 day period must be reported to ATF on Form 3310.4.

Given todays smart phone technology, seems to me it wouldn't be hard for ATF agents to scan all the forms at gun stores to create a permanent registry. Just have to have the will to ignore the law.

2. Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993)
The Brady Act requires that background checks be conducted on individuals before a firearm may be purchased from a federally licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer —unless an exception applies. It directed the Attorney General to create the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). In 1998, the 5-day waiting period for handgun sales was replaced by an instant computerized background check that involved no waiting periods, although many states continue to mandate state run background checks before a gun dealer may transfer a firearm to a buyer.

3. Tiahrt Amendments (since 2003)
The Tiahrt Amendment prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) from releasing information from its firearms trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation. Additionally, any data so released is inadmissible in a civil lawsuit. Some groups, including the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition, believe that having further access to the ATF database would help municipal police departments track down sellers of illegal guns and curb crime. These groups are trying to undo the Tiahrt Amendment. Numerous police organizations oppose the Tiahrt Amendment, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association (MCCA) and the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). Conversely, the Tiahrt Amendment is supported by the National Rifle Association, and the Fraternal Order of Police (although it allows municipal police departments only limited access to ATF trace data in any criminal investigation).

The Tiahrt Amendments require the FBI to destroy all approved gun purchaser records within 24 hours of approval - NICS, not Form 4473.

Makes you wonder how a presidential EO could get around the Tiahrt Amendment.

25 posted on 04/10/2014 8:21:58 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Joe Brower

F’em.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 8:41:01 PM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: sickoflibs
Not happening, no chance.

Remember FIST?

27 posted on 04/10/2014 10:16:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: neverdem
There's fixin' to be a few hundred million Federal "felons" in the Nation.

Any bets they are much more organized when it is time to come after us than they ever were in going after illegals?

28 posted on 04/11/2014 4:36:36 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: neverdem

It Is Revealed That Under NY SAFE Act Guns Can be Confiscated Without Warrant or Review
April 10 2014
by Dan Cannon
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ny new york flagNew York’s gun control package that passed under the cover of night following the Sandy Hook shootings keeps revealing itself to be an even bigger turd than anyone ever thought possible.

According to the Washington Free Beacon, a new lawsuit alleges that “under NY law guns can be seized without warrant or review.” The report goes into more detail,

Under the SAFE Act, the New York Department of Criminal Justice (NYDCJ), the overseer of the database, may declare a person ineligible to own or possess a weapon without any type of judicial process.

Furthermore, the suit argues that if the NYDCJ declares a person ineligible, “such a determination makes the person vulnerable to imminent seizure of all weapons, without a hearing or even an arrest warrant.”

The attorneys indicate the state is creating a separate database from the federal NICS database but does not have the NICS protections, such as an appeals process. Their website details all the differences between the state and federal database.

Definitely a disturbing process. It’s no wonder that it is widely thought New York residents will most likely refuse to adhere to the state’s new registration requirements (deadline later this month).

The suit alleges that the process, as outlined, could result in both Second and Fourth Amendment rights violations without due process.

The law firm handling the suit has placed the documents relating to the case online at their website.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/court-cases/it-is-revealed-that-under-ny-safe-act-guns-can-be-confiscated-without-warrant-or-review/


29 posted on 04/11/2014 5:34:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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