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Ukraine says it can prove that Russia coordinated weekend attacks
KyivPost ^ | April 13, 2014 | Katya Gorchinskaya

Posted on 04/13/2014 11:51:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: 1rudeboy
Later, why did the protests turn violent?

Ukrainian government snipers killing rioters. Of course riot police don't usually use snipers. Maybe Russian "false flag"?

41 posted on 04/13/2014 3:34:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Rashputin
“fyi . . . Some “proof” isn't very convincing. The AK-100 is available in a number of calibers including NATO 5.56 and in fact are inexpensive by comparison to the M-16 family.”

And... ? You mean Soros/NWO purchased them and set it all up to make Russia look bad ?

42 posted on 04/13/2014 4:02:23 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: 1rudeboy
Not to worry Ukraine, Obama is sending help the following week.

Joe Biden

43 posted on 04/13/2014 4:03:11 PM PDT by AU72
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To: AU72
"President Obama personally asked me to relay a message that he enjoys MRE's also, but that they don't meet the First Lady's dietary guidelines for preschoolers."
--Joe Biden
44 posted on 04/13/2014 4:05:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Grzegorz 246

Set it up so their guys wouldn’t look any different than the Russians would be more like it.


45 posted on 04/13/2014 4:22:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: mosesdapoet

Putin wants to reconstruct the USSR...


46 posted on 04/13/2014 4:46:13 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"How many troops has the US or EU sent to Ukraine?"

At this point I'd say several dozen each from the US and whatever NATO country or countries volunteered to help our guys. What's your guess?

47 posted on 04/13/2014 9:04:57 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I think the Ukrainians are playing it dumb. They should be already blowing crap up in Russia. They should be talking to the Turks to liven things up there.

By doing nothing they allow Putin an easy victory.

or maybe they don’t really want to bleed to get their freedom? Maybe they want U.S. to.....in which case I tell em to go to hell.

Show me


48 posted on 04/13/2014 9:32:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Well do you really want to get in a p*ss fight with the Bear?


49 posted on 04/13/2014 9:35:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mike Darancette

They’re the majority only in Crimea. And do you think that Putin would allow areas in Russia where Russians are not a majority to secede?


50 posted on 04/13/2014 9:42:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

It’d be a shame to think that some of these people really would base a foreign policy on Putin’s position on gays. I think he believes that stuff as much as he believed in communism and and now as much as he believes in Christianity.


51 posted on 04/13/2014 9:45:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Rashputin

“Set it up”

Who ? Soros/neo-cons ?


52 posted on 04/13/2014 11:30:23 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Little Bo Peep.

Grzegorz 246

Whoever had enough money at risk to refuse to be outbid by Russia and couldn't risk waiting to see the outcome of an election that was only a few months away.

Of course, maybe Ukrainians just don't like elections without a little excitement in the streets first.

If you say Putin is Satan incarnate and everyone else is as pure as wind driven snow, great.

53 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Yep, better put the tin foil hats on and blame it all on NWO/neo-con/sodomite EU/IMF/Rothschilds/Monsanto nazi conspiracy. You know better, everyone else is a simplistic moron.
54 posted on 04/14/2014 3:42:17 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Oh goodie.

Another twit who figures that if you don't agree with them you're into tinfoil stuff or a Commie.

Have a nice day now, ya' hear?

55 posted on 04/14/2014 10:24:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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56 posted on 04/14/2014 11:17:02 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Hey, Thanks for the Selfie, dude !!
57 posted on 04/14/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: TomasUSMC

At this point, blowing things up in Russia would just give Putin the excuse he needs to move heavy forces into Ukraine. The Turks may have been talked to, but, why would they want to antagonize Russia now? Maybe if Turkey is allied with the Crimean Tatars, that would gain sympathy, but is sympathy alone worth it to Turkey?

A bigger problem now is that the entire Ukrainian security apparatus is heavily infested with pro-Russians, if not out-and-out spies at higher levels. Probably every post of significance outside of the military was occupied by a Yanukovych cockroach, and even much of the military is compromised. It’s pretty hard to rebuild quickly almost from scratch. Kiev can try to bring in military from central and western Ukraine, but then they have to be careful those forces are not TOO vindictive, as that again brings Russia in, full force.

On the other hand, there may be no way for Ukraine to ultimately keep its territory without enticing Russia into a full scale attack / occupation, and fighting a long war of attrition. I believe that war could be won, but as I’ve posted elsewhere, IMO it could cost Ukraine somewhere in the neighborhood of half a million dead on their side, and a devastated country. (It might be even worse, as the added aspect of a civil war vs. some of their own seems to be clearer now.)

Half a million dead is a horrifying figure, but is much lower than the price Ukraine paid in WW2, only to end up subjugated to and purged by Russia.


I was walking all alone thru a side show
With passion and pain on each side.
Something inside me was calling
For a chance to stay alive.

At the time I didn’t know what was calling
As my head was buried in grief.
Today I heard what was crying.
My FREEDOM calling me

(Refrain):
And we all make our choices
Like a blind man feels his way,
And the choice I’ve made is simple:
Passion over pain.

When I got to the end of the side show
And looked back to where I had been,
My eyes filled with teardrops of loneliness
For the ones who will never be free

(Refrain)

I thought of the children in the side show
As they wandered around so confused.
Some day they’ll make their decision
But which one will they choose?

(Refrain)

“Choices” by Uriah Heep (K. Hensley)


58 posted on 04/15/2014 7:36:04 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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