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Fighter jet shot down near Ukraine’s city of Kramatorsk, witnesses say
ITAR/TASS ^ | 4/15/2014 | ITAR/TASS

Posted on 04/15/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by Dallas59

KIEV, April 15. /ITAR-TASS/. Shots are being fired at the airdrome near the city of Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, and one fighter plane has been shot down, witnesses report from the scene. As follows from what the people say four fighter planes, presumably Sukhoi-27 were hovering over Kramatorsk. At a certain point they opened fire at the local airdrome. Who commanded the planes and who downed the fighter remains unclear.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.itar-tass.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; donetsk; kramatorsk; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine
Of course this is TASS...
1 posted on 04/15/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Wait for a real media outlet to see if there is any truth to it. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if it was a mechanical problem or if Spetsnaz fired a manpad at a Ukrainian plane.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 10:00:35 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Dallas59

Given the state of the Ukrainian Air Force, it is entirely possible that it fell out of the sky on its own.

There has been no photo evidence of the pro-Russian protestors having any AA capability, at all.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 10:02:30 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Dallas59.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 10:03:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dallas59
four fighter planes, presumably Sukhoi-27 were hovering over Kramatorsk

Something lost in translation, I suspect.
SU-27 is not VTOL and wouldn't use it that way if it were.

5 posted on 04/15/2014 10:03:29 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: grobdriver

Probably meant loitering.

There is video of these jets flying at just a couple of hundred feet over the fields. Definitely low enough for ground fire to create some havoc.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 10:05:14 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre
I'm staying at my son in law and daughter's house until our new one is ready

Because we're gone a lot ( dieing today from some kind of flu ... killer flu !) .. all we have is a TV that has two PBS channels.

BBC and Asian TV is covering this extensively and I wouldn't know how extreme it is if I relied on American TV or radio.

Even FR can't quite transmit the impact these other outlets are having with their live news reports

This is serious


And btw`.... does anyone ELSE get a hint of Bush/Blair with Putin/obama ?

7 posted on 04/15/2014 10:07:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m still trying to figure out how they got an Su-27 to hover ... o.O


8 posted on 04/15/2014 10:09:47 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: grobdriver
"SU-27 is not VTOL..."

Apparently it now has that capability. Well, at least the land part, anyway...

9 posted on 04/15/2014 10:10:18 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Dallas59

I bet it was a drone that was shot down just for instigation purposes.................


10 posted on 04/15/2014 10:10:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Dallas59

Feces here is your fan.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 10:11:01 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tcrlaf
There has been no photo evidence of the pro-Russian protestors having any AA capability, at all.

I imagine Russian Spetznaz would have SA-18's.

12 posted on 04/15/2014 10:12:48 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf
Given the state of the Ukrainian Air Force quality of Russian jet engines, it is entirely possible that it fell out of the sky on its own.
13 posted on 04/15/2014 10:15:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Hatteras
at least the land part, anyway

Heh.

14 posted on 04/15/2014 10:15:46 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Dallas59
a Russian warplane "buzzed" a US destroyer
15 posted on 04/15/2014 10:16:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Zhang Fei

“There has been no photo evidence of the pro-Russian protestors having any AA capability, at all.”

“I imagine Russian Spetznaz would have SA-18’s.”

If they had SA-18’s, there would be four jets down, not one. In the vids, they are flying too low and slow not to get hit by them.

I’d lean to mechanical failure, or local ground fire. They were flying REALLY low. That is a lesson they will have to learn about the hard way, I guess.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 10:16:57 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Dallas59

well if it is Tass then it must be right ;)


17 posted on 04/15/2014 10:17:25 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Dallas59

Earlier reports refered to and had a pix of 1 jet not 4 active over the area. Sounds like it might be a chopper.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 10:18:13 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Given the state of the Ukrainian Air Force quality of Russian jet engines, it is entirely possible that it fell out of the sky on its own.”

Of the Ukrainian aircraft in Crimea that the Russians released last week, only ONE SU-27 could fly home, after maintenance. The rest were going to have to be trucked out.
Doesn’t say a lot for the Ukrainian readiness, does it?


19 posted on 04/15/2014 10:19:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
If they had SA-18’s, there would be four jets down, not one. In the vids, they are flying too low and slow not to get hit by them. I’d lean to mechanical failure, or local ground fire. They were flying REALLY low. That is a lesson they will have to learn about the hard way, I guess.

I expect they were instructed to scare the rebels. If ground fire brought an aircraft down, they'll probably send ground troops to take the airport rather than risk bombing it into rubble.

20 posted on 04/15/2014 10:23:01 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Dallas59
rt.com are saying that the reports on Twitter that a Ukranian helicopter has been shot down are fake as the pics are actually from Syria last year.
21 posted on 04/15/2014 10:23:22 AM PDT by Mr Radical
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To: Nifster

Obammys “flexible” network...


22 posted on 04/15/2014 10:23:57 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Hatteras

Sounds like what used to happen when the road runner ran off the cliff. He would hover there. For a second....


23 posted on 04/15/2014 10:25:14 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“I expect they were instructed to scare the rebels. If ground fire brought an aircraft down, they’ll probably send ground troops to take the airport rather than risk bombing it into rubble.”

Twitter pics show smoke rising from several locations, and state the airport was bombed.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 10:27:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Nifster
well if it is Tass then it must be right ;)

TASS stands for T(elegrafnoye) A(genstvo) S(ovetskovo) S(oyuza) - aka Telegraphic Agency of the Soviet Union. Isn't it kind of weird that the Russians haven't changed the name of the news agency? Imagine if the Germans had kept using the Nazi-era name for their news agency, DNB (Deutsches Nachrichtenbüro).

25 posted on 04/15/2014 10:29:13 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Dallas59
As follows from what the people say four fighter planes, presumably Sukhoi-27 were hovering over Kramatorsk

Hovering? The Sukhoi-27 is a pretty decent aircraft... but they hover??? Really?

26 posted on 04/15/2014 10:31:07 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Bikkuri
I’m still trying to figure out how they got an Su-27 to hover ... o.O

They can hover, but only for about 1 or 2 seconds. After that.....

27 posted on 04/15/2014 10:34:15 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Hatteras

Ha!


28 posted on 04/15/2014 10:42:09 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: GreenHornet

hehe ;^)


29 posted on 04/15/2014 11:08:53 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Dallas59

There are some truthful news organizations on the left? Rumor says there are some on the right but they do not receive coverage from the left. I would research my question but would be a waste of time. Thanks Dallas59 for stating a truth.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 11:15:38 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Dallas59

There was a red moon last night...


31 posted on 04/15/2014 11:53:22 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Zhang Fei

Its a bit of sarcasm considering that Pravda is their ‘official’ paper and means truth....


32 posted on 04/15/2014 12:40:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Hatteras

LMAO! It is hovering over the terrain at zero inches.


33 posted on 04/15/2014 2:45:32 PM PDT by SgtHooper (I lost my tag!)
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To: Dallas59

"I say, I say now we's got us a shoot'n waar"
34 posted on 04/15/2014 3:20:19 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: grobdriver
it can hover, just not very long... 8^)

35 posted on 04/15/2014 3:41:51 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Dallas59

“Israel and Russia are getting along. Have the neocons noticed?

http://theweek.com/article/index/260033/israel-and-russia-are-getting-along-have-the-neocons-noticed


36 posted on 04/16/2014 9:11:55 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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