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New York the latest state to sign compact to end electoral college
American Thinker ^ | 04/18/2014 | Rick Moran

Posted on 04/18/2014 6:32:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Governor Cuomo has signed off on the National Popular Vote Compact, giving New York's 29 electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

SILive:

Count New York in.

The Empire State has joined the National Popular Vote compact with legislation signed Tuesday by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

States that have signed on to the interstate agreement will award electoral votes for president to the candidate who receives the majority of the national popular vote.

"With the passage of this legislation, New York is taking a bold step to fundamentally increase the strength and fairness of our nation's presidential elections," said Cuomo. "By aligning the Electoral College with the voice of the nation's voters, we are ensuring the equality of the votes and encouraging candidates to appeal to voters in all states, instead of disproportionately focusing on early contests and swing states."

Under the winner-take-all system, candidates for president have taken to ignoring states that are reliably Republican or Democratic, like New York, while focusing their attention and resources on a smaller group of battleground or swing states.

While New York has more than 13 million voters, ranking fourth in the nation, it is last when it comes to presidential spending.

New York joins the District of Columbia and nine states in signing on to the compact -- including California, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

The legislation utilizes New York state's right under the U.S. Constitution to award its 29 electoral votes in any manner it deems appropriate, in this case to the winner of the national popular vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 04/18/2014 6:32:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I am beginning to understand why these liberal states want to cede their electoral sovereignty to the popular vote....

Republicans have LOST 5 of the 6 elections via the popular vote.

Bush lost in 2000 but won in 2004. But that was it.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 6:34:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think this is unconstitutional, but that depends on which flavor judge hears the case.


3 posted on 04/18/2014 6:36:14 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

What will he say when his state votes for the popular vote loser?

New York’s vote didn’t count? We gotta go with Texas?

The Rats are in unknown territory with this one.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 6:36:45 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: SeekAndFind

The Constitution leaves it entirely up to each state legislature how to select its electors.

OTOH, “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State”


5 posted on 04/18/2014 6:38:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Who needs to vote, anyway? Comrades? The central committee knows what is best. Freedom is slavery, slavery is freedom.


6 posted on 04/18/2014 6:38:46 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: SeekAndFind

no taxation without representation


7 posted on 04/18/2014 6:38:49 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, kind of funny! When a Republican wins the popular vote, Cuomo will rescind the law.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 6:39:27 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Gen.Blather

RE: I would think this is unconstitutional, but that depends on which flavor judge hears the case.

Well, somebody has to file suit. Who has the standing to do it?


9 posted on 04/18/2014 6:40:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: TexasRepublic

If the democrats are for it...it must be bad.


10 posted on 04/18/2014 6:40:28 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SeekAndFind

Bad, bad, bad idea. Are we to trust Cuomo over Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al?


11 posted on 04/18/2014 6:40:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republic is almost totally dismantled. Only Article V. can begin to save it.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 6:40:51 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SeekAndFind

As the article points out, New York isn’t ceding its electoral power of Presidential elections, it’s retaking it.

National Popular Vote isn’t a Republican or Democratic movement, it’s a movement of heavily partisan states against “swing states.” The current system disempowers Mississippi and Utah as much as it disempowers California and New York.


13 posted on 04/18/2014 6:41:58 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: SeekAndFind

You better believe when the day comes that the Republican nominee receives the plurality of popular votes, the New York and other Democrat legislatures will meet in emergency session shortly after Election Day and change the law to their favor.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 6:42:32 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Currently dead here in Michigan but I find it funny that the people who used to say it was impossible have now mostly fallen silent.

National Popular Vote

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15 posted on 04/18/2014 6:42:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
New York joins the District of Columbia and nine states in signing on to the compact -- including California, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

Fortunately, these are all in long-conquered territory, so it'll be a wash. When "red" states start going this way is when it's time to be concerned.

16 posted on 04/18/2014 6:45:01 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Procyon

An escape clause was written right into the bill they pushed here in Michigan. They could withdraw from the agreement for any reason (If it looked like a GOP win) 6 months before an election.

Sadly there are republicans who pimp this crap like Fred Thompson.


17 posted on 04/18/2014 6:46:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mob rule, just what the founders wanted to avoid. Benjamin Franklin said we would have “A Republic if you can keep it.”

What would he say if he knew we would only keep it for a little over 200 years?


18 posted on 04/18/2014 6:47:39 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Algore is still eligible...


19 posted on 04/18/2014 6:47:40 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Procyon

Once the Census-derived electoral college apportionment is replaced by popular vote counts, the states will gin up their numbers by reducing the voting age to 12 and granting the franchise to non-citizens. Election night will be an auction-like frenzy as state election boards discover hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots yet to be counted.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 6:48:12 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Unfortunately (or not) it is constitutional...................


21 posted on 04/18/2014 6:49:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: SC_Pete

If this becomes reality, the answer is divorce.
There is no reason for a state to remain in America without proper representation.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 6:49:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, of course.

And, once again, our Founding Fathers prove how intelligent and wise they were.

They knew that city populations tend to attract the newly arrived and those who seek collectivist “protection” (liberals by the modern definition) and that those in the rural areas tend to be far more independent and self-reliant (conservative by the modern definition).

He also knew that the population densities in cities could easily outnumber the population of the rural areas.

They didn’t want a single big city in a state to dictate to the entire state.

So they installed two key rules: proportional representation and the electoral college.

The electoral college was designed to protect the minority from a purely pluralistic majority.

Of course, the left hates the idea of protecting conservatives, thus they are trying desperately to strike down the electoral college so that the country is essentially run by the major cities.


23 posted on 04/18/2014 6:49:59 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This will blow up in their faces like a balloon full of shaving cream.........................


24 posted on 04/18/2014 6:50:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: ScottinVA
Exactly right. However, several more states have current bills in their legislatures.

CT (7 EV) and MN (10) are likely the next to join, giving them a total of 182 (of 270)...
PA (20), AZ (11), and MI (16) would hurt (and hit 229 total)...
but OK (7) and NE (5) would finish off the Electoral College for good, even with just 12 EV's and a total of 241 of 270, because once right-leaning states join, it's over.

(And FL conveniently gives them their last 29 to hit 270 exactly, assuming every state listed above joins the Compact)

25 posted on 04/18/2014 6:51:59 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Red Badger

“Unfortunately (or not) it is constitutional...................”

Well, it practically means the end of Republican presidents. (I almost wrote conservative presidents.) It won’t even take very many states.


26 posted on 04/18/2014 6:52:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Red Badger

Why not just allow the vote in FL Ca and Ny! Those are the three States that would elect a popular vote candidate anyway.


27 posted on 04/18/2014 6:52:34 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: ScottinVA

It’s already time to start worrying.

The blue states enacting this into law will make the red states far more vulnerable far more quickly.

You see, once these laws are passed, the leftists don’t need to worry about those states in the national elections any longer. They will be wrapped up and however the major cities go, that’s how the state goes. And that is hardcore leftist.

The leftists will then have that much more time and MONEY to concentrate on the purple and red states.

As David Horowitz says, the left is engaged in the art of political war. The rest of the country is watching TV and figuring out how to be kinder, gentler, more social.


28 posted on 04/18/2014 6:53:25 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals that are for this that I have talked to think our country is a democracy and don’t understand a republic.

If we went to Nat’l popular vote, candidates wouldn’t have to bother making promises to voters in States that have a majority opposition, just hit the cities where most voters are friendly.


29 posted on 04/18/2014 6:53:58 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: SeekAndFind

oh yeah, it benefits New York to have it gone which is why the thing was implemented


30 posted on 04/18/2014 6:56:42 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, I believe that the numerous independent recounts in FLA showed that Bush would have won the NPV.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 7:00:59 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: Gen.Blather

RRR

Remember Ronald Reagan.

He won every state except Minnesota in 1984........................


32 posted on 04/18/2014 7:03:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: yldstrk

This is how red states should respond.

They will be counting votes by county with each county receiving one point. The candidate that wins the most counties wins the electoral vote of that state.

It keeps the constitution in place and also removes voter fraud and disenfranchisement, since a county only gets one point, the popular vote in that county can be 150% and no one is disenfranchised.

Call it a fire wall to prevent voter fraud disenfranchising an entire state. The rats cannot argue it because it takes away their talking points.


33 posted on 04/18/2014 7:04:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; Gen.Blather

I wonder if any of these laws have any ‘escape clause’ that allows the governor to exit out of the compact if it looks like the other party will win the PV.................


34 posted on 04/18/2014 7:05:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Rusty0604
If we went to Nat’l popular vote, candidates wouldn’t have to bother making promises to voters in States that have a majority opposition, just hit the cities where most voters are friendly.

This basic problem exists in the current system. Ohio (& Florida) elect our presidents. Candidates ignore Texas, California & New York (except for fundraising) because their electoral votes are a foregone conclusion.

35 posted on 04/18/2014 7:06:21 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: Procyon

Voting age of 12 with steak and potatoes in their lunch.


36 posted on 04/18/2014 7:08:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: gdani

That’s true, but I read several report of voter fraud in those States also.


37 posted on 04/18/2014 7:09:00 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Red Badger

“I wonder if any of these laws have any ‘escape clause’ that allows the governor to exit out of the compact if it looks like the other party will win the PV.................”

Funny, I had the same thought. They certainly wouldn’t want to add their votes to the other party and give them a win if they don’t have to. But it occurs to me if they do (a good possibility) then that is the legal attack vector.


38 posted on 04/18/2014 7:13:29 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SC_Pete
The Republic is almost totally dismantled. Only Article V. can begin to save it.

Do you really want to trust this process to the Oprah/We Elected Obama TWICE populace?

Let alone to the spineless legislators without a shred of integrity?

And Hillery's FBI file collection

And the DNC/MSM data mining of IRS tax returns, census data, capriciously unsealed civil court records, etc?

39 posted on 04/18/2014 7:15:58 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Procyon

Of course. Deep blue state never had to do vote cheating like liberal parts of swing states now do. With this scheme, the deeply embedded liberal power structure will mine every cemetery and mortuary for votes. Bad idea.


40 posted on 04/18/2014 7:28:52 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: SeekAndFind

If they thought the “hanging chad” fraud left the 2000 election in limbo, just imagine Florida x 50: “Presidential Candidate X has garnered 10 million votes, Presidential Candidate Y has 10 million 100. Film at 11.”


41 posted on 04/18/2014 7:30:43 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: only1percent

bullpucky. It empowers Miami, L.A., NYC, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philly, and other liberal or undocumented enclaves to decide who will be the next Dear Leader(s).


42 posted on 04/18/2014 7:32:53 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need one state to enact a law requiring their electors to vote opposite any popular vote cabal of states.


43 posted on 04/18/2014 7:33:34 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ScottinVA

maybe we won’t need to even vote at all if the colors on that map line up right. Just do a census and elect the victors.


44 posted on 04/18/2014 7:34:16 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, lets use recent history to see how this will work. How much more important would the vote counts be on the Democrat West Coast if there was a similar close election to 2000? How long would it take to get a mutually acceptable count completed for these States to make their decision? The understated benefit of the Electoral College (EC) is a timely decision on date certain.

Al Gore’s bitter partisan’s constant bemoaning of the US Supreme Court decisions on Florida’s election process lose sight of the fact that time was running out for a decision for the participant selection from Florida. As it stood, Bush43 had a bare-bones transition between the December decision and the January Inauguration.

So visualize a similar election with a squeaking close popular vote and all of the different voting methods and disputable ‘hanging chads’ all over the country. Now remember such localities like King County Washington where sufficient post-election day 2004 ballots were ‘found’ to elect the Democrat candidate for Governor. Multiply this by all of the possible paths to election and then think HOW LONG it would take to find a candidate for these ‘Popular Vote’ states to swing their EC votes to.

Sorry, this is a lawyer’s dream and a nation’s nightmare!


45 posted on 04/18/2014 7:46:21 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I always thought these compacts were unconstitutional-- the Constitution clearly specifies that the Electoral College makes the decision, and once the Electors are chosen they are Federal officials (like a Congressman) and the states cannot control how they vote.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I also know this is mainly an attempt to slant elections in favor of liberal urban areas vs. smaller, more rural states-- doesn't this also strike at the federal structure that has always been at the core of the Electoral College?

46 posted on 04/18/2014 7:46:24 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for the map.
I want to reform the electoral college system too.

I want every county in the country to have one electoral vote. Conservatives would win every time.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2012-election-county-by-county/


47 posted on 04/18/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation
I want every county in the country to have one electoral vote.

The problem with one vote per county is it would be hugely disproportional across the country.

48 posted on 04/18/2014 7:57:06 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: SeekAndFind

1state, 1 vote. That would work.


49 posted on 04/18/2014 7:58:06 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: Red Badger
This will blow up in their faces like a balloon full of shaving cream.........................

Be nice and clean,
Shave every day and you'll always look keen.

50 posted on 04/18/2014 8:48:59 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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