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Rand Paul Criticizes Feds on Bundy
thehill.com ^ | Timothy Cama

Posted on 04/18/2014 3:53:32 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) criticized the federal response to rancher Cliven Bundy, becoming the first GOP 2016 presidential hopeful to weigh in on the issue.

Paul slammed the federal government’s show of force in the dispute, which culminated in a standoff at Bundy’s ranch between police and his supporters, including armed members of militia groups.

Bundy is refusing to pay grazing fees for his cattle, which for decades have grazed on federal land. Paul sided with Bundy in that fight, arguing that Nevada and local authorities should control the land.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; paulbearers; rand2016; randnesty; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls
Will Reid order the Capitol police to arrest Rand Paul?

If not, he should shut his mouth.

1 posted on 04/18/2014 3:53:32 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3146122/posts


2 posted on 04/18/2014 3:56:45 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Paul sided with Bundy in that fight, arguing that Nevada and local authorities should control the land.

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The situation is that the Feds are violating the constitution and attempting to enforce the unconstitutional situation which is beyond their jurisdiction.


3 posted on 04/18/2014 3:58:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Mega-Dittoes Rand.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 4:01:18 PM PDT by BeadCounter ( Let's hope profanity remains the only stranger here.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I absolutely agree.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 4:06:15 PM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; All

Why am I not impressed???

Rand Paul’s timing sucks...Where was he during the standoff???

Where were ANY of them???

[insert chirping cricket sound effects]

A recall a few showed up for the D.C. park service memorial shutdowns...How convenient.../sarc

Can you imagine what would have happened if the BLM thugs had killed a few politicians??? Wait, don’t answer that yet...;-)


6 posted on 04/18/2014 4:07:02 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: grimalkin
Oh, I guess that makes us "domestic terrorists" or at least sympathizers.

Shove it, Reid.

7 posted on 04/18/2014 4:07:11 PM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: greeneyes

The Feds will never understand the support the Bundy family has in western rural America. Claude Dallas had the support of the majority of Great Basin ranchers and he killed a couple of hated game wardens near Paradise Valley, NV. They were trying to keep Dallas from earning a living as he violated game laws. The Bundys are far more sympathetic than Dallas.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 4:28:35 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: stevie_d_64

‘Rand Paul’s timing sucks...Where was he during the standoff???

Where were ANY of them???’

Agreed. Liberty from the government will be initiated and won by the average, ordinary American; not by our politicians or the ballot box.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 4:31:04 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Le Chien Rouge; stevie_d_64

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3145794/posts


10 posted on 04/18/2014 4:39:19 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Le Chien Rouge; stevie_d_64
Arizona lawmakers pointlessly charge Bunkerville Hill
11 posted on 04/18/2014 4:41:39 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: JimSEA

So it would seem.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 5:08:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Rand Paul’s timing sucks...Where was he during the standoff???


Somehow I missed your on-site report. Which one of the good guys were you? Please post a picture of yourself shaking hands with Mr. Bundy.


13 posted on 04/18/2014 5:10:09 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
LOL!

/johnny

14 posted on 04/18/2014 5:29:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Paul sided with Bundy in that fight, arguing that Nevada and local authorities should control the land.

There is no reason why Paul and Congress can't sell the land to Nevada or Bundy. They alone have the power to dispose of federal property.

15 posted on 04/18/2014 5:31:01 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Right, and in theory, that land should be the property of “We the People”, of course, it is not that simple however, the US Govt. should be more of stewards of the land.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 5:40:50 PM PDT by BeadCounter ( Let's hope profanity remains the only stranger here.)
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To: BeadCounter
Right, and in theory, that land should be the property of “We the People”, of course, it is not that simple however, the US Govt. should be more of stewards of the land.

Shouldn't it be "We the People of the United States" who own the land? Not "We the People of Nevada"? I have no problem with the land being sold to the states or the people in them. In fact with unimproved land like that not being used for a national park or military or some similar purpose, states should be allowed to do sort of a reverse eminent domain and purchase it from the federal government at fair market value and the government should be forced to prove in court there was a valid reason for not selling.

17 posted on 04/18/2014 5:49:11 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Well, Harry Reid, I guess it's time for you to step up, and order the DHS to arrest Rand Paul.

Your move, f***wad.

18 posted on 04/18/2014 6:05:32 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

We will obey the law when obama obeys the law.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 7:10:05 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Most GOP lawmakers have steered clear of the fight

Typical. So far I'm most impressed with Rand. He actually believes in wrenching this country out of the hands of the 6$ trillion mega monster federal government and giving back to the states and us.

20 posted on 04/18/2014 8:43:02 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: stevie_d_64

It’s easy to be a hero after the fact.


21 posted on 04/18/2014 9:17:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: JimSEA
> The Feds will never understand the support the Bundy family has in western rural America.

Fixed it.

Bundy has a lot of support here in rural New Hampshire.

If it wasn't for all the commie transplants from MA, CT, and NY, NH would still be true blue.

22 posted on 04/19/2014 5:14:44 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: laplata; JRandomFreeper

Well, since you obviously know the answer to that asinine question...

The same could be said about you...Where were you, Mr. Keyboard Commando???

I can tell you are somewhat fond of the whole libertarian Ron/Rand Paul axis...

Seek life and libertarianism elsewhere...


23 posted on 04/19/2014 7:25:59 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: MarMema

Thanks for the link...

Gathering up what information we can, and confirming it all, is becoming a real challenge...

There is just not a lot out there you can trust these days...

I was not surprised to see the Paul-Bots showing up (again)and defending the in-defensible...


24 posted on 04/19/2014 7:30:37 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64
I think I'll stay right here where I've been since 1999, and laugh at things I find funny.

/johnny

25 posted on 04/19/2014 7:31:24 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: stevie_d_64

True but at least he’s saying something. The rest of the quislings are MIA. I detest them all.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 8:38:33 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I will be right here with you, brother, where I have been since 2001. For somebody whose tagline talks about “thin skin,” that other guy sure has it, huh? But he wants us to pursue life and liberty somewhere else. Too funny.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 8:47:22 AM PDT by RonPaulLives (I won't be a neo-pawn in the game.)
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To: stevie_d_64

You need to change your tag line. And don’t tell me not to express my opinion.

I don’t like every thing about Rand Paul but he has a lot of positives to offer.

Go Rand!


28 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:37 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You do that...Its a free country...For now...

No problem with laughter...It kinda makes things go a bit easier...


29 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:06 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: riri

Words mean nothing, after the fact...


30 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:57 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: RonPaulLives

Spoken like a true dyed in the wool Paul-Bot...

Symbolism over substance...

Words that almost sound too good to be true, but when you get right down to it, its empty of anything palatable (really conservative) in the long-term...

Go create your own political party...Stop polluting others...

I’m interested in knowing how that works out for y’all...


31 posted on 04/19/2014 9:16:16 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: laplata

Why change my “tag line”...If you don’t get it, fine...If that’s all ya got, then I stand by what I said...

Opinions are like azzholes...Everyone has one...Some are bigger than others...ehem...’scuze me...

I would not dream of telling someone they cannot express their opinion...Like your libertarian buddy stated...

Y’all yern for an “alternative” political philosophy in something similar but not totally conservatism, and that is absolutely your right to do so...

If “I” choose to be critical of Rand Paul, guess what...It has nothing to do with his base “libertarian” political philosophy...

If you understood what I was getting at before you jumped off and did the usual bash the Paul-Bot “basher” routine...And use the playground mentality argument of “where were you during all of this” nonsense...

I’m sure any one of us could have hopped on a bus, forgot about Gus, and shown up there to potentially get shot at...Which would have been ok by me, because I shoot back, with more than just rhetoric...

The same could be said about you...Where were ya at there Kemosabe??? You got pictures shaking the hand of Mr. Cliven???

I would not be going there for a photo-op...I do not believe anyone there was there for that...

Unless you have something substantive to add this other than mis-interpret “tag lines”...And do the usual “Go Rand!” rant...

We’re done here...

See ya on the front lines...Or, maybe not...


32 posted on 04/19/2014 9:32:57 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Yeah, it took Rand long enough to say something. Apparently, no drones were used to harass Bundy, so Rand didn’t find it note-worthy. Hundreds of armed agents evoked nary a yawn from Rand. Bob


33 posted on 04/19/2014 9:36:50 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Now winter moans in old men's bones As the day falls into dark. Al Stewart)
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To: laplata

Why is Rand better that, say, Cruz or Lee? Methinks that Rand has been doin’ a lot of fence-straddling of late. Bob


34 posted on 04/19/2014 9:38:46 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Now winter moans in old men's bones As the day falls into dark. Al Stewart)
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To: MarMema; All

More to what you pointed out...

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp

If what occurred in Nevada is what it finally took to get people onboard with this issue...

I’m all for it...Even Rand Paul should chime in...But I still stand by my original assertion...

“Where were YOU when this was going on?”

Of course you say something like that and Rand Paul supporters come out of the woodwork because you make a valid point...

But I guess since most of us are occupied with other priorities, and make adjustments when we can, who can say that most of us, if we had the chance would have stopped what we were doing and trundled off to go potentially to get shot at...

Somehow that concept is lost upon those who do not think past the noses on their faces...You do not go toe to toe with the Redcoats in open field battle...

There are plenty of substantial things you can do about things (issues) like this right in your own backyard...

But hey...What do I know...I just do not support “foam-at-the-mouth” libertarian leaning politicians...

But this is all just my opinion...


35 posted on 04/19/2014 9:57:12 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: alstewartfan

I didn’t say he was better than Cruz or Lee. Cruz and Lee are better than Paul, IMO. I said Paul has some positives to offer.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 9:59:13 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: alstewartfan

I would not bet on the “no drone” usage...I’m sure the tactical units were deployed to watch things develop...

But what does that really matter??? If the word “drone” is enough to cause Rand Paul to froth at the mouth...Then he and his followers have a heap many bigger problems to deal with...

;-)


37 posted on 04/19/2014 9:59:58 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

I think we’ll be standing side by side along with a lot of other good people.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 10:02:18 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

There, see how much we might be able to agree on???

You say there are “some” positives with Rand Paul...

Ok...If that be a position you take on the matter, then there HAS to be some negatives as well with him, right???

No one is perfect, not a single person on this planet...Sometimes, in my opinion, “alternatives” that sound and wiggle the way you like, can turn against you...More often than not...

Especially in this particular age in our countries political system...

Personally, my opinion is that we need to fire every frappin’ one of them, (including Cruz and Lee and a few others we might all like as well)) and start over with “real” people...Not career or opportunistic personalities looking to make a name for themselves in politics...

Hoping for an “alternative” that quacks like a duck, has bit us in the azz too many times in the last 20 years...

Some of us do not like taking chances we cannot quantify or qualify in an arena like this...

Just my opinion...


39 posted on 04/19/2014 10:07:27 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

I don’t trust ANY of them, either.

Let’s hope when it is all re-built, the Constitution is the blueprint.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 10:12:44 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Opinions are like azzholes...Everyone has one...Some are bigger than others...ehem...’scuze me...

Personally, my opinion is that we need to fire every frappin’ one of them, (including Cruz and Lee and a few others we might all like as well)) and start over with “real” people...

So, if you were in a warzone, you'd just stay in the back with a machine gun, and kill everyone including your fellow troops.

That opinion smells like...

41 posted on 04/19/2014 10:15:26 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: laplata

Yep...I think it needs to be etched in stone, and hung around a few necks as a “subtle” reminder of how things need to be...Not like they ought to be...Non-assuming like my next reply to ROCKLOBSTER’s asinine assumtion...


42 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:55 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Lets look at your choice of words here...

First, what would you know about a “warzone” to begin with???

No Veteran I know uses that kind of terminology, who has actually been in combat...

Of course I can safely say with a degree of confidence, that your particular elected delegation from your home district is above reproach, perfect in every way...Very effective in dealing with the destructive nature of what this government (elected class) has turned itself into...

So your guys/gals should stay put...They are doing a fabulous job...Winning the fight, all by themselves??? Right???

I mean since you feel comfortable putting words in peoples mouths...You know, making assumptions...

So really??? You think what I wrote meant I want to “kill” elected officials??? Is that what YOU believe I want to do???

I remember you from a year or so ago...You have not changed a bit...Not that I would assume you would...

Have you ventured out from the basement, gotten a little sun lately???


43 posted on 04/19/2014 12:01:48 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: laplata

Very true! I like Paul much more than most. Bob


44 posted on 04/19/2014 6:12:46 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Now winter moans in old men's bones As the day falls into dark. Al Stewart)
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To: stevie_d_64
First, what would you know about a “warzone” to begin with???

Well, I know there's likely to be friend and foe, enemies, probably shooting at each other.

No Veteran I know uses that kind of terminology, who has actually been in combat

Who ever said I was a veteran?

your particular elected delegation from your home district is above reproach, perfect in every way...

Don't look at me, I voted against every one of them.

since you feel comfortable putting words in peoples mouths

I didn't put any words in your mouth, I just read yours.

You think what I wrote meant I want to “kill” elected officials??? Is that what YOU believe I want to do?

No, that's stupid.

You want to politically eliminate your only protection from the communists. Who knows what would replace them.

I remember you from a year or so ago...

Funny, never heard of ya. You must be a retread.

Have you ventured out from the basement, gotten a little sun lately?

Where would I get sun? I live in Maine.

45 posted on 04/19/2014 7:05:49 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Spoken like a true dyed in the wool Paul-Bot... Symbolism over substance... Words that almost sound too good to be true, but when you get right down to it, its empty of anything palatable (really conservative) in the long-term... Go create your own political party...Stop polluting others... I’m interested in knowing how that works out for y’all...

Spoken like a true neocon asshat. You run your mouth a lot on FR threads, but don't offer anything of substance.

Thank you for your offer to grant me a new political party (in your infinite wisdom and desire to be a benevolent dictator), but I think I will stay in the Republican Party that I joined when I first registered to vote twenty-five years ago. Hopefully, we can get the party back to a Goldwater-Reagan mentality, rather than the globalist BS that you prefer. Feel free to leave the party if you like, and let me know how that works out for "y'all.""

46 posted on 04/20/2014 9:30:56 AM PDT by RonPaulLives (I won't be a neo-pawn in the game.)
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To: Westbrook

Have Vermonters moved east to NH too?


47 posted on 04/20/2014 1:31:56 PM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: greeneyes
Paul sided with Bundy in that fight, arguing that Nevada and local authorities should control the land.
I think the term, "Bottom Line", goes well here... Rand is correct.
48 posted on 04/21/2014 11:30:01 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

The term “should” does not explain that the Feds are in violate of the constitution. It could just as easily mean that Feds have the jurisdication, but it “should” be different.

Bottom line: The Feds are in violation of the constitution.


49 posted on 04/21/2014 12:07:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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