Skip to comments.US to send combat troops to Poland
Posted on 04/19/2014 11:24:30 AM PDT by neverdem
Poland will breathe a little easier because at the very least, American troops in Poland will be an effective trip wire and hedge against Russia making a move to reclaim the former Warsaw Pact country.
Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.
But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.
“The idea until recently was that there were no more threats in Europe and no need for a U.S. presence in Europe any more,” Siemoniak said, speaking through an interpreter. “Events show that what is needed is a re-pivot, and that Europe was safe and secure because America was in Europe.”
How likely is such a reversal on defense spending? Siemoniak said there was widespread support at a recent meeting of European defense ministers. “Now they’ll go back to their presidents...
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Not so good.
But better than sending them to the Bundy Ranch in Nevada.
“Poland will breathe a little easier....”
Not only Poland will breathe a little easier but also the rest of the Europukes who will not have to send their troops.
Money saved can be spent on all those social programs like 30-day vacations, etc.
I know, I know, American troops are a tripwire and all that BS.
When do the girly men of Europe - as the EU likes to call itself - take care of their own problems?
Which if they had managed the fall of the Soviet Union correctly, instead of humiliating Russia in the 1990s, would have meant this entire episode and the rise of Putinism would not have happened.
Don’t worry, soon they call for the oh-so-fearsome blue beret battalions.
That’ll scare Bad Vlad.
Next the crack JAG corps will be negotiating terms of surrender. At what point will the Army have more JAG officers than Infantry?
What combat forces?
Poland is the only NATO country that decided to maintain her forces and modernization. Her defense budget as a percentage of GDP is equal to the rate Israel spends on her defense. Poland is the only NATO nation preparing for a large land war on her soil while the rest of the NATO nations reduced defense spending.
In a mulitpolar world the first superpower fight will lose. We have five major superpowers or superpowers to be. US, EU, China, Russia and India. Putin move for Crimea has set things in motion. He won the first stages but in the long run he may have undermine Russia’s status. A limited arms race between US/EU and Russia is costly. Granted Russia has gas and oil, but her GDP is only 2 trillion at best. In her alliance with China, Russia is the junior partner. Even though China utter support for Russia, an arms race undermines Russian economic development (a mistake the Soviet Union made). This means Russia will be more dependent on China for consumer goods and financial deals while resources are needed for military build up.
Conclusion is a conflict between the debt ridden US/EU, and Russia will benefit China and India.
The poles are definitely not girly men. Badasses for the most part. But they do not have the state of art c&c or weaponry. They still remember. Unlike France and Britain.
Favorite polish joke - Germans are comming in the front door and Russians in the back. Who does the pole shoot first? The German of course - business before pleasure. (Told to me in Gdansk)
Reagan had 435,000 of us in Europe.
“When do the girly men of Europe - as the EU likes to call itself - take care of their own problems?”
You know the answer: NEVER.
Gay, straight, transgendered or all three?
When JFK was starting the Vietnam war, he sent in 16,000 troops, I don’t recall the Wash Post ever calling them “combat troops”.
That was 30 years ago. Since then, the Europeans all loudly demanded that we “Yankees” go home, and we so did. This therefore is a European problem. Let them deal with it.
Meanwhile, gays, lesbians, and transgenders are demanding the honor of being on the front lines when the shooting starts.
Poland + Ukraine = potential real superpower
It wasn’t 30 years ago, Russia is still there, and we are still a member of NATO.
And NATO has proven itself worthless in Iraq and Afghanistan and should be disbanded. We did our job and its time to pull up the drawbridge. Therefore, let the Europeans step up and take care of themselves for once.
You wrote a very clear and concise explanation of Poland’s current status of military readiness. I didn’t realize only Poland was smart enough or disciplined enough to maintain most of their weaponry. Now, we need to revert to the Cold War status and spend more on develpoment and maintenance.
If the talk goes to ‘temporarily reviving the draft’ get’s serious, I’ll know we are about to enter a brand new age of Hot Wars.
How's that going to happen when the country is broke and its leadership wholly corrupt and inept?
I’ve been looking at the Socialist world web site and other anti-American sites for the last hour, they seem to agree with your views and analysis of America and NATO and the West.
This is nothing but theater. There is no current threat to Poland.
Regardless, America no longer has either the military or political power to defeat the Russians in Eastern Europe, thanks to our own country's internal decadence and corruption.
Who said anything about war?
Here is more writings from your side.
WORLD SOCIALIST web site:
“Following its support for the coup, the Polish government went immediately over to banging the drums of war against Russia. After the regional parliament in Crimea had decided on March 2 to break away from Ukraine, Tusk said, The only means to stop Russia and avoid tragic conflicts in this region are through massive pressure and persistence on the part of Europe, the United States and Canada. On March 12, during a state visit to Warsaw by Merkel, Tusk called for the EU to become independent of Russian energy exports.
The aggressive policy towards Russia has been accompanied by intensive contacts with the new Ukrainian government, which includes the fascist party Svoboda, with its three ministers and other high-ranking officials. Several mutual state visits and countless phone calls were aimed at supporting the coup cabinet and ensuring it followed the desired course. On 3 April, Komorovski also received Georgian President Giorgi Margvelashvili in Warsaw, and called for the country to conclude an Association Agreement with the EU and NATO accession.
The Polish government is hoping that its aggressive foreign policy in the interests of German and US imperialism will bolster its regional strength. Seventy-five years after the German invasion of Poland, this vassal status leads the Polish government to call for German leadership in Europe and the stationing of German troops in the country.
In 2003, the Polish government had taken the side of aggressive imperialism and supported the US invasion of Iraq. Today, the country has a government that wants to be particularly close to Germany and the US. Since 1992, Foreign Minister Sikorski has been married to the American journalist Anne Applebaum, who strongly advocates an anti-Russian policy.
For the US and Germany, Poland is of key strategic importance in expanding their influence over Ukraine. As early as 2012 in the book Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power, the Polish-American political scientist and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote, Without Ukraine, Russia will not be an empire. Some Eastern European countries, such as Poland and Ukraine, thanks to their size, location and economic and military potential, can have a real impact on the balance of power in Europe.
The vassal service of the Polish government is the logical consequence of the restoration of capitalism 25 years ago. A small group of careerists and bureaucrats sold off the state-owned enterprises to the highest bidders, and placed the country on the drip-feed of foreign direct investment from which these layers live.
This had disastrous consequences for Polish workers. During the years of so-called shock therapy and thereafter, their social rights were declared null and void. The education and social systems were smashed up, millions of jobs destroyed and wages reduced to subsistence level or below.”
Has Putin threatened anyone? When the Ukraine govt. fell. Russia moved to protect her economic interests in the Crimea. That’s the only offensive move I have seen. Our “leaders” seem to be milking this for everything they can get, and there is nothing there. Like you said, pure theater.
Putin has not threatened anyone who hasn't threatened Russia's legitimate security interests. I agree that Putin's annexation of Crimea was a defensive move -- but not just to protect Russia's economic interests there. Crimea, with its long-establish Russian naval and air bases, is absolutely vital to Russia's strategic defense of the Black Sea and its own southern borders. Decades of Cold War against a Soviet Union that no longer exists have made us creatures of habit and blinded us from the existence of the real threat to freedom that now sits in Brussels. It is the European Union and its military arm, NATO, which is now on the march and basing its troops, planes and ships along Russia's borders. The world has changed, but we are distracted from seeing it.
So what would YOU do, keeping in mind that Putin now holds all the cards and knows that America is bankrupt, weakened, and ALL bluff?
LOL - love the graphic. World class defender of freedom - Hairy Reid. I feel so much safer now.
The Socialist left and the international communists don't want any NATO or international pressure applied to Russia either.
They too want NATO to not show any reaction at all, to be afraid to even relocate small numbers of troops from one NATO country to another.
Just heard a report that the deployment will be a grand total of...wait for it...150 men in each Estonia and Poland.
I have fun watching the secrecy and misinformation fly. Amazing to watch. Beginning to think some of putin’s butt boys are fishing for information here ... makes me lol.
I am so sick of defending Eu and securing their oil for them. Let them work on it and take care of their own business.
all he lacks is the Minstrel Blackface...and hes got a whole new career ahead of em/
If they are taking this big step, it had better damn well be a credible military presence, and not a few hundred troops to be used for a photo-op and eventual target practice for the Russians.
Not only would it be a slaughter, it would also be a monumental embarrassment, most likely leading us to WWIII. The potential for a modern day ‘Pearl Harbor’ comes to mind.
So Poland is where we draw the line? Where have I heard this before?
We owe the Polish for standing with our military while the rest of the Europeons bailed on us.
Estonia sent combat soldiers to Iraq. Suffered a few KIA too.
> Estonia sent combat soldiers to Iraq. Suffered a few KIA too.
Thanks, I didn’t know that. They deserve our help if needed, too.
they will pay in their own blood, as they have before.
I suspect that the deployment has more to do with signaling Putin not to misinterpret and move into the Baltics.
Though, I wonder how an invasion of Estonia by Russia could be resisted by Nato without resorting to nuclear weapons.
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