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US to send combat troops to Poland
American Thinker ^ | April 19, 2014 | Rick Moran

Posted on 04/19/2014 11:24:30 AM PDT by neverdem

Poland will breathe a little easier because at the very least, American troops in Poland will be an effective trip wire and hedge against Russia making a move to reclaim the former Warsaw Pact country.

Washington Post:

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.

Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.

But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.

“The idea until recently was that there were no more threats in Europe and no need for a U.S. presence in Europe any more,” Siemoniak said, speaking through an interpreter. “Events show that what is needed is a re-pivot, and that Europe was safe and secure because America was in Europe.”

How likely is such a reversal on defense spending? Siemoniak said there was widespread support at a recent meeting of European defense ministers. “Now they’ll go back to their presidents...


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: drainingusassets; europeanunion; nato; paulbearers; paultardation; poland; putin; selfdefense
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WaPo had no mention of the usual ground combat units: infantry, armored and artillery.
1 posted on 04/19/2014 11:24:30 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Not so good.

But better than sending them to the Bundy Ranch in Nevada.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 11:32:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: neverdem

“Poland will breathe a little easier....”

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Not only Poland will breathe a little easier but also the rest of the Europukes who will not have to send their troops.

Money saved can be spent on all those social programs like 30-day vacations, etc.

I know, I know, American troops are a tripwire and all that BS.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 11:33:54 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: neverdem

When do the girly men of Europe - as the EU likes to call itself - take care of their own problems?

Which if they had managed the fall of the Soviet Union correctly, instead of humiliating Russia in the 1990s, would have meant this entire episode and the rise of Putinism would not have happened.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 11:34:35 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: 353FMG

Don’t worry, soon they call for the oh-so-fearsome blue beret battalions.

That’ll scare Bad Vlad.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 11:36:15 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: neverdem

Next the crack JAG corps will be negotiating terms of surrender. At what point will the Army have more JAG officers than Infantry?


6 posted on 04/19/2014 11:41:52 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: neverdem

What combat forces?


7 posted on 04/19/2014 11:45:04 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 353FMG

Poland is the only NATO country that decided to maintain her forces and modernization. Her defense budget as a percentage of GDP is equal to the rate Israel spends on her defense. Poland is the only NATO nation preparing for a large land war on her soil while the rest of the NATO nations reduced defense spending.
In a mulitpolar world the first superpower fight will lose. We have five major superpowers or superpowers to be. US, EU, China, Russia and India. Putin move for Crimea has set things in motion. He won the first stages but in the long run he may have undermine Russia’s status. A limited arms race between US/EU and Russia is costly. Granted Russia has gas and oil, but her GDP is only 2 trillion at best. In her alliance with China, Russia is the junior partner. Even though China utter support for Russia, an arms race undermines Russian economic development (a mistake the Soviet Union made). This means Russia will be more dependent on China for consumer goods and financial deals while resources are needed for military build up.
Conclusion is a conflict between the debt ridden US/EU, and Russia will benefit China and India.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 11:45:09 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: ansel12
What combat forces?


9 posted on 04/19/2014 11:48:17 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Regulator

The poles are definitely not girly men. Badasses for the most part. But they do not have the state of art c&c or weaponry. They still remember. Unlike France and Britain.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 11:48:29 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: epluribus_2

Favorite polish joke - Germans are comming in the front door and Russians in the back. Who does the pole shoot first? The German of course - business before pleasure. (Told to me in Gdansk)


11 posted on 04/19/2014 11:52:21 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: neverdem
Trip wire, eh, to be slaughtered by invading Russian hordes?

Absurd.

12 posted on 04/19/2014 11:54:40 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Reagan had 435,000 of us in Europe.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 11:57:31 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Regulator

“When do the girly men of Europe - as the EU likes to call itself - take care of their own problems?”

You know the answer: NEVER.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 12:00:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: neverdem

Gay, straight, transgendered or all three?


15 posted on 04/19/2014 12:11:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: neverdem

When JFK was starting the Vietnam war, he sent in 16,000 troops, I don’t recall the Wash Post ever calling them “combat troops”.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 12:11:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

That was 30 years ago. Since then, the Europeans all loudly demanded that we “Yankees” go home, and we so did. This therefore is a European problem. Let them deal with it.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 12:15:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: neverdem

Meanwhile, gays, lesbians, and transgenders are demanding the honor of being on the front lines when the shooting starts.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 12:15:19 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Fee

Poland + Ukraine = potential real superpower


19 posted on 04/19/2014 12:17:41 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: neverdem
If the Bear enters Polish territory, and NATO doesn't shoot back, NATO is finished (along with Poland).

5.56mm

20 posted on 04/19/2014 12:24:59 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Timber Rattler

It wasn’t 30 years ago, Russia is still there, and we are still a member of NATO.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 12:25:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

And NATO has proven itself worthless in Iraq and Afghanistan and should be disbanded. We did our job and its time to pull up the drawbridge. Therefore, let the Europeans step up and take care of themselves for once.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 12:30:18 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Fee

You wrote a very clear and concise explanation of Poland’s current status of military readiness. I didn’t realize only Poland was smart enough or disciplined enough to maintain most of their weaponry. Now, we need to revert to the Cold War status and spend more on develpoment and maintenance.
If the talk goes to ‘temporarily reviving the draft’ get’s serious, I’ll know we are about to enter a brand new age of Hot Wars.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 12:30:45 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
Now, we need to revert to the Cold War status and spend more on develpoment and maintenance.

How's that going to happen when the country is broke and its leadership wholly corrupt and inept?

24 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:41 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Enterprise
we could kill tow birds with a very small stone if we sent our own aunt harry over there...


25 posted on 04/19/2014 12:41:58 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’ve been looking at the Socialist world web site and other anti-American sites for the last hour, they seem to agree with your views and analysis of America and NATO and the West.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 12:49:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: neverdem

This is nothing but theater. There is no current threat to Poland.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 12:51:03 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: ansel12
America and Europe are reaping what they have sowed. War with the Russians over Ukraine is stupid, especially since it was Western intelligence ops that triggered the original overthrow of Putin's man in the first place back in February, effectively kicking the bear and waking it up.

Regardless, America no longer has either the military or political power to defeat the Russians in Eastern Europe, thanks to our own country's internal decadence and corruption.

28 posted on 04/19/2014 12:58:36 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Who said anything about war?

Here is more writings from your side.

WORLD SOCIALIST web site:

“Following its support for the coup, the Polish government went immediately over to banging the drums of war against Russia. After the regional parliament in Crimea had decided on March 2 to break away from Ukraine, Tusk said, “The only means to stop Russia and avoid tragic conflicts in this region are through massive pressure and persistence on the part of Europe, the United States and Canada.” On March 12, during a state visit to Warsaw by Merkel, Tusk called for the EU to become independent of Russian energy exports.
The aggressive policy towards Russia has been accompanied by intensive contacts with the new Ukrainian government, which includes the fascist party Svoboda, with its three ministers and other high-ranking officials. Several mutual state visits and countless phone calls were aimed at supporting the coup cabinet and ensuring it followed the desired course. On 3 April, Komorovski also received Georgian President Giorgi Margvelashvili in Warsaw, and called for the country to conclude an Association Agreement with the EU and NATO accession.
The Polish government is hoping that its aggressive foreign policy in the interests of German and US imperialism will bolster its regional strength. Seventy-five years after the German invasion of Poland, this vassal status leads the Polish government to call for German leadership in Europe and the stationing of German troops in the country.
In 2003, the Polish government had taken the side of aggressive imperialism and supported the US invasion of Iraq. Today, the country has a government that wants to be particularly close to Germany and the US. Since 1992, Foreign Minister Sikorski has been married to the American journalist Anne Applebaum, who strongly advocates an anti-Russian policy.
For the US and Germany, Poland is of key strategic importance in expanding their influence over Ukraine. As early as 2012 in the book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”, the Polish-American political scientist and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote, “Without Ukraine, Russia will not be an empire. Some Eastern European countries, such as Poland and Ukraine, thanks to their size, location and economic and military potential, can have a real impact on the balance of power in Europe.”
The vassal service of the Polish government is the logical consequence of the restoration of capitalism 25 years ago. A small group of careerists and bureaucrats sold off the state-owned enterprises to the highest bidders, and placed the country on the drip-feed of foreign direct investment from which these layers live.
This had disastrous consequences for Polish workers. During the years of so-called “shock therapy” and thereafter, their social rights were declared null and void. The education and social systems were smashed up, millions of jobs destroyed and wages reduced to subsistence level or below.”


29 posted on 04/19/2014 1:06:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Always A Marine

Has Putin threatened anyone? When the Ukraine govt. fell. Russia moved to protect her economic interests in the Crimea. That’s the only offensive move I have seen. Our “leaders” seem to be milking this for everything they can get, and there is nothing there. Like you said, pure theater.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 1:22:52 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: RedwM
Has Putin threatened anyone? When the Ukraine govt. fell. Russia moved to protect her economic interests in the Crimea. That’s the only offensive move I have seen. Our “leaders” seem to be milking this for everything they can get, and there is nothing there. Like you said, pure theater.

Putin has not threatened anyone who hasn't threatened Russia's legitimate security interests. I agree that Putin's annexation of Crimea was a defensive move -- but not just to protect Russia's economic interests there. Crimea, with its long-establish Russian naval and air bases, is absolutely vital to Russia's strategic defense of the Black Sea and its own southern borders. Decades of Cold War against a Soviet Union that no longer exists have made us creatures of habit and blinded us from the existence of the real threat to freedom that now sits in Brussels. It is the European Union and its military arm, NATO, which is now on the march and basing its troops, planes and ships along Russia's borders. The world has changed, but we are distracted from seeing it.

31 posted on 04/19/2014 1:32:02 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: ansel12
My side, eh?

So what would YOU do, keeping in mind that Putin now holds all the cards and knows that America is bankrupt, weakened, and ALL bluff?

32 posted on 04/19/2014 1:44:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: MeshugeMikey

LOL - love the graphic. World class defender of freedom - Hairy Reid. I feel so much safer now.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 1:45:01 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler
Trip wire, eh, to be slaughtered by invading Russian hordes? Absurd.

The Socialist left and the international communists don't want any NATO or international pressure applied to Russia either.

They too want NATO to not show any reaction at all, to be afraid to even relocate small numbers of troops from one NATO country to another.

34 posted on 04/19/2014 1:53:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: neverdem

Just heard a report that the deployment will be a grand total of...wait for it...150 men in each Estonia and Poland.


35 posted on 04/19/2014 2:48:12 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: neverdem
Poland: An integral part of "New Europe."


36 posted on 04/19/2014 3:32:50 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: neverdem

I have fun watching the secrecy and misinformation fly. Amazing to watch. Beginning to think some of putin’s butt boys are fishing for information here ... makes me lol.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 3:39:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Timber Rattler

Amen.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 5:42:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: 353FMG

I am so sick of defending Eu and securing their oil for them. Let them work on it and take care of their own business.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 6:09:47 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Enterprise

all he lacks is the Minstrel Blackface...and hes got a whole new career ahead of em/


41 posted on 04/19/2014 6:11:14 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: neverdem

If they are taking this big step, it had better damn well be a credible military presence, and not a few hundred troops to be used for a photo-op and eventual target practice for the Russians.

Not only would it be a slaughter, it would also be a monumental embarrassment, most likely leading us to WWIII. The potential for a modern day ‘Pearl Harbor’ comes to mind.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 6:52:16 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: neverdem
The Russian Army isn't the Iraqi Army as it was under Saddam. They're a large, modern equipped army with a large air force. God forbid if there were ever a conventional war between them and us. It would be a blood bath and we would take a hell of a pounding.
43 posted on 04/19/2014 7:51:22 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: neverdem

So Poland is where we draw the line? Where have I heard this before?


44 posted on 04/19/2014 7:53:38 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Iron Munro

We owe the Polish for standing with our military while the rest of the Europeons bailed on us.


45 posted on 04/19/2014 8:13:34 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

Estonia sent combat soldiers to Iraq. Suffered a few KIA too.


46 posted on 04/19/2014 8:15:56 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Dagnabitt

> Estonia sent combat soldiers to Iraq. Suffered a few KIA too.

Thanks, I didn’t know that. They deserve our help if needed, too.


47 posted on 04/19/2014 8:25:04 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

they will pay in their own blood, as they have before.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 8:51:50 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Dagnabitt

I suspect that the deployment has more to do with signaling Putin not to misinterpret and move into the Baltics.

Though, I wonder how an invasion of Estonia by Russia could be resisted by Nato without resorting to nuclear weapons.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:11 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

Hi Boris. Welcome to FR.


50 posted on 04/20/2014 4:10:28 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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