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BLACK LEADER (Alan Keyes) SAYS NEVADA RANCHER BUNDY'S REMARKS NOT RACIST-It's the Truth
Liberty News ^ | 24 Apr 14 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by xzins

A prominent black leader is coming to the defense of embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was pilloried on Thursday after the New York Times published a quote by him referencing slavery.

“He wasn’t talking so much about black folks, but about the harm and damage that the leftist socialism has done to blacks,” said former U.N. Ambassador Alan Keyes, who also is a columnist for WND.

Ammon Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s son, told WND that the quotes were taken out of context and that his father was commiserating over the poor situation in which blacks find themselves because of oppressive government programs, regulations and practices.

Keyes said that was evident.

“I find it appalling that we basically have a history of the leftist liberalism that wants to extinguish black people by abortion [and] destroying the family structure,” Keyes told WND. “All of these things if you just look at the effects, you would say this was planned by some racist madman to destroy the black community.”

Then when somebody comes along to comment on that damage, the leftists all scream “racism,” he said.

“I think it’s time somebody started to recognize the racism that exists in its effects – the hard leftist ideology using the black community for their sacrificial lamb, for their sick ideology. It’s time we called them what they are,” he said.

“Now it’s racist to point it out.”

(Excerpt) Read more at libertynewsonline.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; ammonbundy; blm; bobunruh; bundy; bundyracist; clivenbundy; harryreid; keyes; libertynews; media; nevada
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1 posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by xzins
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Ammon Bundy said his father’s message “was taken out of context.” The point was that the government “has kept them oppressed,” he said. “They’ve never been given a situation to be able to thrive, get themselves out of slavery.” - See more at:


2 posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:32 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Any thinking person will realize that MLK's message was one for blacks to rise above conditions that still existed, almost 100 years after slavery ended. What Bundy's statements are (less eloquently, so what?) is that blacks to a large part are still living in conditions that prevent them from rising beyond this new kind of enslavement.

Shame on the "conservatives" who used this as an excuse (a very bad one) to not have to take sides against BLM and federal assaults on US citizens.

3 posted on 04/26/2014 10:43:55 AM PDT by grania
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To: xzins

All these black people have no idea what they’re talking about. A crew of idiots said it was racist so it is.

Who do these black people think they are?


4 posted on 04/26/2014 10:45:15 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: grania
"Shame on the "conservatives" who used this as an excuse (a very bad one) to not have to take sides against BLM and federal assaults on US citizens."

There are a number of so-called Freepers who claimed the incident was sufficient reason to not only abandon the Bundy's but to loudly turn against them.

5 posted on 04/26/2014 10:47:37 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: xzins

A “slight” correction here. In another affirmation of my Tagline, the Times published PART of a Bundy quote. Once again they made the “news” fit their “views”.
Frankly, I’m sick and tired of being correct here.


6 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:05 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: xzins

Are those who withhold comment automatically ‘Racist’ certified?

The hysteria the media wishes to foment all too oft is much mildew over a small spill IMHO.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: grania

agree. The whole racist meme was just a way to smear Bundy and foolishly the talking heads on the right took the bait. Countless people on Fox News seem to want to now comment on how racist Bundy was. You have Hannity backpeddling now and throwing him under the bus and guests of his all took turns hitting Bundy like a pinyata with the racist stick.


8 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:46 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Balding_Eagle

And we should all remember their names for the future/in future posts. And treat their claims of ‘conservatism’ accordingly.


9 posted on 04/26/2014 10:49:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: xzins

Mr. Keyes will be ignored because he’s left the plantation.


10 posted on 04/26/2014 10:49:41 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

These are most likely the same people that say to vote for a RINO instead of holding out only for a conservative. These are people being used by the left and they will happily call them their useful idiots to stay in power.


11 posted on 04/26/2014 10:50:19 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

A number of them attacked conservatives for refusing to vote for Romney.


12 posted on 04/26/2014 10:51:23 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Blue Highway

Hannity is a no talent douchebag


13 posted on 04/26/2014 10:52:42 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Norm Lenhart

“A crew of idiots said it was racist so it is.”

Lots of dingbats on FOX were all too eager to use the Media Matters and NYT versions without hearing the whole thing.


14 posted on 04/26/2014 10:57:04 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: logic101.net

Just being honest, Bundy could claim the inspiration for his remarks came to him from Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, both of whom have been hammering for months now (since Trayvon Martin) on the breakdown of the black family, black single motherhood, black abortion, black on black murder, and black dependency. All of it, they have been saying is a result of the breakdown of the family and that’s a result of dependency programs run by the government.

In Fact, BOTH O’Reilly and Hannity have wondered if blacks are any better off. To be fair — they didn’t say ‘better off than slavery’ — but, the point is some time in the past before all the government programs.


15 posted on 04/26/2014 10:57:48 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
They never were FReepers or Conservatives. They were plants whose purpose was to cause dissension, spread rumors and false information, and agitate. That was their signal to come out.
16 posted on 04/26/2014 10:58:53 AM PDT by sport
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To: Norm Lenhart
yeah I remember the excuses for Romney and some of the other RINO losers in the primary. Pretty sure GOP_Lady was one of the biggest Romeny drones on FR. Her name literally screams GOP-e
17 posted on 04/26/2014 10:59:23 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: xzins; All

As much as I like Alan, he is hardly a ‘Black leader’


18 posted on 04/26/2014 11:00:15 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Balding_Eagle

> There are a number of so-called Freepers who claimed the incident was sufficient reason to not only abandon the Bundy’s but to loudly turn against them.

I stood by him and got slammed for it. People don’t even question why the government should collect grazing fees to the tune or a million plus dollars or how it can create create new fees out of thin air by laying claims to charging you taxes on the tools, furniture, and equipment YOU paid for to run your business then making you pay income tax on top of that? That’s double taxation That sounds more like the mob to me. Now if they own the land and want to charge him a “reasonable” amount of rent (lower than standard rates) to allow him to use the land I think that would have made more sense to me.


19 posted on 04/26/2014 11:00:23 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: xzins

WTG!


20 posted on 04/26/2014 11:01:18 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Nifster
As much as I like Alan, he is hardly a ‘Black leader’

It does say about him in the article 'former UN ambassador'. (I think he was actually an assistant, but still....)

21 posted on 04/26/2014 11:07:19 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: freeangel

They and the ‘freepers’ in name only picked their side. They should be made to live with their freely made choice. Actions have consequences or they don’t.

If less ‘freepers’ kept promoting leftist ideas and leftist candidates, the rest of us could get our crap together. Which is of course they are here. To stop us.


22 posted on 04/26/2014 11:08:15 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: xzins

This is just the left switching the focus of an oppressive government agency terrorizing a Nevada rancher for the monetary benefit of Harry Reid, to - he’s a racist. So it’s OK?


23 posted on 04/26/2014 11:12:14 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: Blue Highway

I had one of them go after me recently for holding feet to the fire after that very person said that after the last election we would...wait for it... ‘hold feet to the fire’.

Isn’t it funny that when I pointed it out and asked for a set in stone date when it would be acceptable to ‘hold feet to the fire’ that no answer was forthcoming?


24 posted on 04/26/2014 11:13:36 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: xzins

Yeah and my remarks still stand


25 posted on 04/26/2014 11:16:34 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: xzins
Racist or not the guy's basic position about Dirty Harry's personal little land grab is valid.
26 posted on 04/26/2014 11:19:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I said, "never again" after voting for McCain and I have stuck to that decison, in the Romney farce and here in Illinois senate race -senator Mark Kirk-huge rino.
27 posted on 04/26/2014 11:26:15 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Nifster

Well he’s black, ran for office, served an ambassidorial role and speaks publicly on issues. That is a leader. May not be the biggest or best but he is more a black leader than Kanye West who the media often calls a ‘leader’ Or JayZ. Or Sharpton.


28 posted on 04/26/2014 11:26:46 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Graybeard58

Thats the only way we will ever rid ourselves of the RINO Plague.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 11:27:36 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Rome2000

I have always said that the Hannity show would be better without Hannity.


30 posted on 04/26/2014 11:29:28 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Nifster

Well, no one can argue with your consistency. LOL.


31 posted on 04/26/2014 11:34:19 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: sport
They never were FReepers or Conservatives.

You mean they are FINO's? Freepers In Name Only!

32 posted on 04/26/2014 11:35:07 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Cheshire Conservatives. their conservatism pops into existence when it’s needed and POOF! gone when it isn’t.


33 posted on 04/26/2014 11:38:51 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I would use another name for them, but that one would work


34 posted on 04/26/2014 11:39:32 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

“They never were FReepers or Conservatives. They were plants whose purpose was to cause dissension, spread rumors and false information, and agitate. That was their signal to come out.”
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Sport, I think you are absolutely correct.


36 posted on 04/26/2014 11:44:58 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: xzins
Look, Bundy is not a pundit. He is not a philosopher or a writer. He is a rancher. He was thrust into the limelight and he gave his opinion. He seemed to be comparing welfare to a slavery. And he (maybe ironically) seemed to intimate that at least slavery kept families together. True or not, I think that it is all blow out of proportion. I mean Hillary once called Dick Morris an "FJB". Where's the outrage there ?

Eric Holder wants a frank conversation on race, which seems to be all well and good until you actually have a frank discussion on race.

37 posted on 04/26/2014 11:46:18 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Look how many supposed rock ribbed right wingers flee in abject terror if the possibility arises that they might lose a TV or break a nail actually having to stand up in public and defend the things they spew here and across the net. You then see them turn on a dime and attack anyone pointing it out and holding them to their words.

Unfortunately the left holds no monopoly on frauds.


38 posted on 04/26/2014 11:50:00 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: fhayek

I think you’re right about Bundy’s intentions. I don’t think he’s a racist. Just an old timer who hasn’t yet learned politically correct speech.

He’s wrong about slavery keeping families together. It didn’t.

It did provide work, though. Ecclesiastes indicates work is better for a man than no work. Exodus indicates slave work isn’t anything to write home about.


39 posted on 04/26/2014 11:50:22 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: fhayek
Eric Holder wants a frank conversation on race,

No, he wants a lecture on race.

40 posted on 04/26/2014 11:52:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: xzins

The damage here is that the left had to destroy Bundy on a personal level. They also wanted to move the dialog from federal agencies making policy and regulations that have the force of law, and by having that power can take whatever property they want, charge you fees/taxes whenever they want, and change the rules anytime they want.

They wanted to move the attention away from the BLM’s aggressive use of military level force against an American citizen, who, even if you grant the court’s rulings against Bundy, did not deserve such treatment used toward him and his family.

So, how did they do that? They got Bundy to talk about an irrelevant topic such as race. They could have gotten him to talk about homosexuality, but that’s not strong enough - no, “racism” is far more damaging a charge.

As to what Bundy actually said, that Blacks were better off as slaves rather than as dependents of the state, could have been stated in a more positive way. Human slavery is terrible and implying that things were better for blacks as literal slaves is probably not the best way to make one’s case.

But, I do think he was taken out of context in that he was trying to point out that there is more than one kind of slavery, and in regard to liberty and freedom, being a dependent of the state is also a form of enslavement as well - it destroys personal development to full maturity as a human being, and, makes one helpless to take care oneself or one’s family. So, in regard to human liberty and freedom, isn’t dependency on the state just another form of slavery? Is there any quicker way to destroy the moral fiber of another person or a race of people than to provide everything for them without them having to do anything in return?


41 posted on 04/26/2014 11:52:23 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: xzins
My point exactly. Look, Bundy is an average guy. He holds certain beliefs that are the sum total of how he was raised and what he gleaned from life experiences. I don't think that he is a bad guy. He may not be politically correct. I got news for you, millions of average Americans are not politically correct. Why descend on him and drive folks like that further underground? Is there a kernel of truth in there? The man's whole life was probably based on the virtues of hard work. He probably cannot understand how anyone would want to live a life not working. He has to pay a portion of that hard work to give to people who do not work. Is that not a valid reason to criticize these people? The liberals like to play this game of gothca.
42 posted on 04/26/2014 12:00:01 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: rusty schucklefurd

It’s not off topic. Slavery comes in many forms and progresses quickly. Before the first slave was ever sold in Africa, his worth was minimized. The BLM/Fedgov has minimized the worth of every person to that of a serf on the Kings land and taking the Kings Deer is now every bit the crime it was 1000 years ago. Every new rule/taking minimized us more. And we are as slaves.

They are very related.


43 posted on 04/26/2014 12:00:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Rome2000

Sean Hannity has no talent?


44 posted on 04/26/2014 12:01:57 PM PDT by heye2monn (MO)
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To: xzins

To advocate big government is to advocate slavery.

Bundy is against slavery, the BLM are in favor of it.


45 posted on 04/26/2014 12:03:01 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: xzins
From the text.

Then when somebody comes along to comment on that damage, the leftists all scream "racism," he said.

Somehow all the reaction to Rancher Bundy has rang a distant bell in my head. (laughs). I remembered vaguely that a Russian called Ivan Pavlov did some experiments with dogs. He could condition them to respond to a stimulus. All this might be far out but..... I went to Wikipedia and found this item. Conditioned Emotional Response.

I asked myself this, that over the years the leftists have so destroyed or reduced people. People who have innocently said something about Black people and were then jumped on. This had them blubbering out denials and apologies and saying "some of my best friends are....." So devastating is the smear of "racist" the left realises it's chilling power.

I would say that immediately the word is used, this brings about the "Conditioned Emotional Response" comes in. Even bold conservatives run for cover.

I am not pretending to be a scholar but I do read a great deal. Again to put it simply the leftists have won. (For the time being anyway).

46 posted on 04/26/2014 12:05:13 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: grania
Shame on the "conservatives" who used this as an excuse (a very bad one) to not have to take sides against BLM and federal assaults on US citizens

Including many on FR that claim to be conservatives! They went right along with the leftist media, the RINO's and a lot of the so-called conservative media in bashing Mr. Bundy. Disgraceful!

47 posted on 04/26/2014 12:10:35 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Peter Libra
Whoops! awkward sentence. Should read:

I would say that immediately the word is used, this brings about the "Conditioned Emotional Response." Even bold conservatives run for cover.

48 posted on 04/26/2014 12:12:40 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: mom.mom

No, it was BUNDY stupidly shifting the focus - Harry Reid and his media servants were eager to take the new path.

Bundy had no reason to make the statement, even if it is pure, distilled truth, it was a stupid move, strategically. It was an obvious opportunity for the media to divert the uncomfortable attention Harry and the Fed Raiders were getting from the grassroots. It was coming to a head, tyrants were about to fall, and then.....????? A vain and foolish man opened his mouth about things totally unrelated to the fight at hand. As soon as he spoke those ill advised words, the battle was lost, the momentum was spent, and the fervor dissipated. A completely unnecessary, unsolicited diversion, but it played right into the hands of the enemy.

Other people will lose their property and livelihoods to an arrogant, rapacious government because Cliven Bundy just couldn’t deprive the world of his greater, profounder wisdom, not even the interests of his cause could stifle his urge to impart his pearls. Victory was agonizingly close...if only he had kept his mouth shut!

I don’t know why you all spend your time trashing commentators and supporters who pushed the fight to the tipping point, only to see this foolish man undermine the heavy lifting they had done on his behalf. Why would someone want to support such a politically unstable figurehead, one who cannot keep his eye on the ball long enough to complete the task at hand?

I am angry - because an important war was being fought, and the tide was on our side - and this silly man, Cliven Bundy, said, “oh wait! Here’s another thing we need to think about” and diffused the entire movement. Nobody is talking about property rights, federal overreach or state sovereignty, because everyone is distracted by accusing or defending Cliven Bundy of racism - while Harry and the Fed Raiders laugh all the way to the bank; and we have to reassemble, redirect and re-inspire the forces of good and truth. And it’s nobody’s fault but Cliven Bundy.


49 posted on 04/26/2014 12:15:05 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Peter Libra

So why, oh why, oh why did Bundy ring that bell???


50 posted on 04/26/2014 12:17:00 PM PDT by GilesB
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