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Animals Are Persons Too
New York Times ^ | April 23, 2014 | Chris Hegedus and D.A. Pennebaker

Posted on 04/27/2014 4:13:57 PM PDT by don-o

How does a thing become a person? In December 2013, the lawyer Steven Wise showed the world how, with a little legal jujitsu, an animal can transition from a thing without rights to a person with legal protections. This Op-Doc video follows Mr. Wise on his path to filing the first-ever lawsuits in the United States demanding limited “personhood” rights for certain animals, on behalf of four captive chimpanzees in New York State. Continue reading the main story Related in Opinion

Dot Earth Blog: A Closer Look at ‘Nonhuman Personhood’ and Animal WelfareJULY 28, 2013

Mr. Wise (who is also the subject of The New York Times Magazine’s cover story this Sunday) has spent more than 30 years developing his strategy for attaining animal personhood rights. After he started his career as a criminal defense lawyer, he was inspired by Peter Singer’s book “Animal Liberation” to dedicate himself to justice for animals. He helped pioneer the study of animal rights law in the 1980s. In 2000, he became the first person to teach the subject at Harvard Law School, as a visiting lecturer. Mr. Wise began developing his animal personhood strategy after struggling with ineffective welfare laws and regulations that fail to keep animals out of abusive environments. Unlike welfare statutes, legal personhood would give some animals irrevocable protections that recognize their critical needs to live in the wild and to not be owned or abused. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage

Should a Chimp Be Able to Sue Its Owner?APRIL 23, 2014

The current focus of Mr. Wise’s legal campaign includes chimpanzees, elephants, whales and dolphins — animals whose unusually high level of intelligence has been recognized by scientific research.

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To: Texas Songwriter

I would tend to agree, but a more powerful argument is that animals cannot make moral choices.


41 posted on 04/27/2014 11:12:53 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith
That was my reference to Imago Deo. (Gen.3:22) And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever. Therefore the Lord Go sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

To know good from evil is to have the nature of, as J. Budziszewiski said, is to have a knowledge of 'what we can't not know'. This is referenced in Romans 1:20 through the second chapter of Romans. As hard as man tries, it is impossible to not know it is wrong (morally) to kill one's offspring, or to have sexual relations with your neighbors wife, or to blaspheme God. Now, this may be suppressed, but it cannot be discarded. It is the nature of a person. This is Natural Law. We cannot not know it is wrong to gratuitously harm another person. We cannot not know it is wrong to take property which belong to another person. If you look carefully at the Decalogue you will see the parallels.

I agree with your statement that animals cannot make moral choices. This is not in their nature to do so.

42 posted on 04/28/2014 12:38:48 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: don-o

Does Mr. Wise honestly expect an animal to go to court if its “rights” are ever violated?


43 posted on 04/28/2014 3:29:42 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Texas Songwriter; Mrs. Don-o
Thank you for your post which very well sums up my belief about this matter. Satan's war on humanity, in all its forms, is motivated by his hatred of the image and likeness of God.

he (the evil one) is not at all unhappy to see the animal creatures being elevated in status.

44 posted on 04/28/2014 5:00:22 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Moral choices derive from spirit resonance, which is not a part of the animal soul behavior mechanism, except in those to whom God breathed a living soul. ... I contend that ETs are technologically advanced, but do not have a spirit component.


45 posted on 04/28/2014 5:54:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
I do not know what "spirit resonance" means. I have no knowledge regarding ETs and their technological capabilities, or any other qualities of ETs.

What I do know is that moral standards are prescribed by a Moral Lawgiver, and if there is a Moral Lawgiver then persons have a moral obligation to that Lawgiver. One does not reason the law, but discovers the law. Without objective standards of meaning of morality then life becomes meaningless and choices become capricious. There is, under this scenario, no right an wrong and no absolutes of any sort. Everything becomes a matter of opinion. J. Budziszewski says there is no country in which virtue and gratitude is vice. Everyone knows there are absolute moral obligations, at all times, and in all places.

46 posted on 04/28/2014 7:27:58 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Tai_Chung

Person-years or dog-years?


47 posted on 04/28/2014 7:32:07 AM PDT by catman67
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To: GOPJ

The Wendell Urth mysteries are few in number, but more entertaining than Asimov usually is; I think he wrote them under a pen name to avoid being associated with the detective genre, and maybe because he still had hopes of becoming successful again. :’)


48 posted on 04/28/2014 7:35:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: S.O.S121.500

By “we” I meant people who unnecessarily torture animals, and those who support their right to do so.


49 posted on 04/28/2014 11:52:12 AM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: SpaceBar

My rats took forever converting from a slide rule to a calculator.


50 posted on 04/28/2014 3:29:38 PM PDT by Eaker (Dogs love to be hugged! Rescue and Hug One Today.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Thanks for bringing Scripture into it. I think I was probably making the mistake of thinking in secular terms.


51 posted on 04/28/2014 8:15:18 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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