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They Lied to Us (We Told You So)
redstate.com ^ | 4/28/14 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 04/28/2014 1:46:04 PM PDT by cotton1706

During the battle to defund Obamacare last fall, we all warned that the schism within the party was about more than strategy; it was about the future of Obamacare itself.

At the time, our opponents within the party mocked our effort to defund Obamacare as a folly and even asserted that our strategy was distracting from the problems with Obamacare itself and would weaken our ability to repeal it. They promised that as long as we hold tight and wait until Republicans win back control of the Senate, we could repeal Obamacare.

We responded by noting that once the dependency of Obamacare would take effect, the law would be immutable. Even though the coverage offered by Obamacare would be subpar and eventually collapse the healthcare system, for the time being that is the only coverage many people would have, especially those who were thrown off their insurance plans. We also pointed out that the first time Republicans would have full control of government would not be until 2017, at which point the law would never be repealed.

Nonetheless, they fought us every step of the way and publicly lambasted conservatives in the halls of Congress. Obviously, Democrats had nothing to fear, as they knew the majority of Republicans had no intention of holding their ground and would even tear down their own base in order to do Harry Reid’s bidding.

Fast-forward just a half a year and Republicans are now admitting they lied to us. They never had any intention to fight for full repeal of Obamacare. Now that the defund fight is behind us, they are admitting that they cannot repeal it.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections

1 posted on 04/28/2014 1:46:04 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

B..b..but the uniparty wouldn’t LIE to us. Would they?


2 posted on 04/28/2014 1:49:04 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: cotton1706
Do not be alarmed:

Unless, of course, we have been misled on this as well.

3 posted on 04/28/2014 1:49:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: cotton1706

Get to the polls and elect more lesser evil folks! No matter what! Just like so many Freepers demanded we do!


4 posted on 04/28/2014 1:49:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: cotton1706

Well of course they lied. I and others said they were from the get go.


5 posted on 04/28/2014 1:50:33 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Get to the polls and elect more lesser evil folks!”

Cthulhu in 2016. Don’t vote for a lesser evil!


6 posted on 04/28/2014 1:51:21 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: cotton1706

“Folks, the fix is in”

That about sums it up.


7 posted on 04/28/2014 1:53:04 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: RIghtwardHo

Expecting the uniparty to not lie is sort of like expecting a tick to not suck blood, or a nymphomaniac to remain chaste.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 1:53:10 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

Yup. People want evil? Get the real thing.


9 posted on 04/28/2014 1:53:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

New tagline. Thanks!


10 posted on 04/28/2014 1:53:56 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Folks, the fix is in.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

It took me a while to get here, but I agree with you. We need to make sure, if we can’t beat their money and appeal to low information Republicans, the base has to stay home in November. Sending the lesser of two evils back to Washington is doing far more harm to the country than the Democrats can do on their own.


11 posted on 04/28/2014 1:59:44 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: cotton1706
" THEY LIED "......


12 posted on 04/28/2014 2:00:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: cotton1706
So this is how government works in the Land of the Fleeced and the Home of the Enslaved:

They have to pass the law before We The People can find out what's in it. And once we do, even if it is a train wreck of a law, it's too late for us to ever do anything about it.

13 posted on 04/28/2014 2:03:42 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Yogafist

No. Make your vote count for SOMEONE. Vote for someone you believe in even if you have to do a write in. Never just stay home. Pick a name that is not a RINO out of the air if you have to. Just not a RINO.

Preferably pick someone who benefits in the next election by the number of votes in this one.


14 posted on 04/28/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Yogafist

“Sending the lesser of two evils back to Washington is doing far more harm to the country than the Democrats can do on their own.”

The uniparty controls which parties get ballot status, which candidates get on the ballot, who may run, and who may or may not vote. And when all the ballots are cast, the uniparty gets to count them and announce the winner.

What could ever go wrong?


15 posted on 04/28/2014 2:09:06 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Folks, the fix is in.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If you don’t vote for Cthulhu, you help Satan win.


16 posted on 04/28/2014 2:09:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cotton1706
I don't vote party anymore.

I will vote for politicians who will shrink the size and influence of the federal government. Not grow it different or better or leave it the same. Shrink the government, reduce their take, slash their influence in every sphere of the lives of the citizens.

I'll vote for politicians who can convince me that this is what they mean to do. I expect zero Democrats and a small percentage of Republicans to meet that challenge. So I'll be looking at other candidates.

17 posted on 04/28/2014 2:12:57 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Make your vote count for SOMEONE.”

Sorry Norm, I don’t agree. While I haven’t completely given up on the franchise I’m being a whole lot more circumspect in when I participate.

There must be a clear, positive (conservative) choice on the ballot. If not, then there are myriad other things I have to do with my time.


18 posted on 04/28/2014 2:16:43 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Folks, the fix is in.)
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To: cotton1706

Anyone who thinks there was ever a chance to defund Obamacare should explain where the votes to override Obama’s veto would come from.


19 posted on 04/28/2014 2:19:15 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: RKBA Democrat

Then write in Mickey Mouse as a slap in the face to the fact that no one is worth your vote. I get what you say and I do not disagree. I just see no point to sitting it out and leaving the movement open to the talking point.

If it be the mouse, so be it.


20 posted on 04/28/2014 2:20:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: cotton1706

The GOP is dead.


21 posted on 04/28/2014 2:23:31 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: cotton1706

We must stop avoiding the sad facts. Obama is not dangerous because he’s outed as a Marxist. The hidden enemy is more dangerous. We cannot win this war until we acknowledge once and for all tha the Republican Party is not a conservative alternative. Repeal Obamacare? Hell’s bells! That’s just where we need to start!


22 posted on 04/28/2014 2:31:32 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: cotton1706
Not only this on Obamacare, but wait until they legalize all the illegals and then look you in the eye and tell you it's not Amnesty.

I can't think of a single reason to vote GOP anymore. Not one.

23 posted on 04/28/2014 2:58:19 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cotton1706

One of the many reasons I’ll never vote for another republican. I’ll more than likely stay home. None of them can be trusted. If they take the senate we’ll get more of the same.


24 posted on 04/28/2014 3:43:15 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.
[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]

25 posted on 04/28/2014 3:46:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cotton1706

What brilliant strategy! Undermine your winning issue for the fall and refocus on a policy opposed by your base!


26 posted on 04/28/2014 4:05:13 PM PDT by buridan
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To: Norm Lenhart

“If it be the mouse, so be it.”

I just don’t see the point in taking an hour out of my day to write in the mouse. Worse, participation in a process without meaningful choices lends unmerited legitimacy to the process.

In the old soviet union, elections were held. There was only one choice on the ballot, but elections were still held.


27 posted on 04/29/2014 12:46:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Folks, the fix is in.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The point is that when you see some backwoods lib gain votes from one election to the next, it gains credibility.

When there are enough ‘protest votes’ showing up in the numbers, it is something that can be pointed to in your argument.

Look, I don’t honestly/literally believe this mess is fixable. I genuinely believe that we are headed for a Fallout 3/Road Warrior scenario that nothing by the book can ever stop since most people on the left AND the right are cowards, drooling morons and at best, indifferent to reality. But I am going to do what I can until the day that society collapses.


28 posted on 04/29/2014 12:52:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think you’re confusing means with ends a bit. I couldn’t care less which politician is left holding the scepter and wearing the robes so long as my natural rights are respected, and there is minimal intrusion into my life.

I’m coming to the conclusion that whether what I find important is attained is less a function of the whatever “leader” is elected or selected, and more a function of the leadership’s perception of the populace at large. Or said another way, the political class doesn’t worry about elections; they control those. What they tend to worry about is large groups of unruly people showing up and spoiling their fun. And perceptions tend to matter more than reality. So why waste time and resources showing up for some game of “electoral 3 card monte” when you can show up and do something effective?

“I genuinely believe that we are headed for a Fallout 3/Road Warrior scenario that nothing by the book can ever stop since most people on the left AND the right are cowards, drooling morons and at best, indifferent to reality.”

I’m by nature an optimist. I see a better future as a possibility if not a likelihood as there are plenty of other like minded people out there. The key is in the organization and co-location of those like minded individuals. And there are already folks acting on some very good ideas.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 1:25:23 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Folks, the electoral fix is in.)
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