Posted on 04/29/2014 6:06:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sarah Palin has long been a bete noir of the left, but she has always been able to count support from grass-roots conservatives. At least, until now.
During a speech to members of the National Rifle Association this weekend, Ms Palin cracked a joke that - while being well-received by the crowd - didn't go over as well with many Christian commentators, many of whom considered her an ally.
"They obviously have information on plots to carry out jihad," she said, referring to prisoners. "Oh, but you can't offend them, can't make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen. Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptise terrorists."
For The American Conservative's Rod Dreher, Ms Palin's statement is "sacrilegious". He says that those who laughed at the joke should be ashamed of themselves. Baptism, he says, should be about starting a new life, not celebrating torture.
"If I thought that kind of hateful declaration and abuse of the Christian religion was what conservatism stood for, I wouldn't be able to call myself a conservative," he writes....
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
I am a staunch Conservative and a proud Southern Baptist. However, during my life I have used the word baptism to describe a whole host of happenings, including an event involving a new employee getting his butt royally chewed by the boss - hence his baptism into the real work world.
Just don’t understand people getting upset by Sarah’s use of the word.
I was in military intelligence, we ran the programs. But keep telling me more about something I was involved in.
“But keep telling me more about something I was involved in.”
I don’t have to. Your bosses already admitted I was right. If the people who wrote the programs and justified them legally recognized that the waterboarding of terrorists was different than what went on in SERE, then that’s the end of the discussion.
President Bush never participated in SERE or an interrogation that I’m aware of, or can you show me that he did? If not, he is getting that information second, third or fourth hand from mostly civilian officials. If you believe political appointees over a Specialist/6, I see what the problem is right there.
“President Bush never participated in SERE or an interrogation that I’m aware of, or can you show me that he did?”
I never claimed he did so I have no idea why you’re even bringing that up.
“If not, he is getting that information second, third or fourth hand from mostly civilian officials.”
He? You think Bush was personally writing statements about waterboarding? Really?
“If you believe political appointees over a Specialist/6, I see what the problem is right there.”
If you think President Bush was personally writing evaluations of enhanced interrogation techniques and comparing them to SERE training regimes, I see what your problem is right there.
In a minute I’m going to go to bed and sleep great. I can tell you’re going to be hacked off all night long. Enjoy.
Don’t flatter yourself.
Then again, the only thing keeping president Buckwheat afloat is the Nazi media. Punch their ugly faces in and even the mercenary Secret Service traitors can’t keep Buckwheat afloat.
Rock ‘n roll, DC wimps.
Also, haven’t ‘our’ fools ever heard the phrase ‘baptism by fire?’ The word ‘baptism’ has long been used in analogy in military and sporting contexts without being considered sacrilegious.
I went through SERE in 1966, and was not water boarded. Waterboarding in SERE school began much later.
HST, we were subjected to some mild forms of torture while “confined” in a mock POW camp at the end of our SERE week. We knew the North Vietnamese were torturing our POWs, so the PTB wanted us to have some idea of what to expect if we became POWs.
It was MOST educational!
I have an enormous amount of respect for the WW II, Korean War and the Vietnam era POWs!
“Are conservatives deserting Sarah Palin?”
That question’s got to be about six years old by now.
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I have a new question...
I’ve noticed several articles of the same theme recently that all seem to be coming from the BBC, Guardian, etc., in England.
Do the people in AU, the UK, the EU and Canada have the same definition of what a “political Conservative” represents in THEIR countries, as we do here in the US? ...I don’t think so.
Nothing to desert
She will never run for POTUS
Better hope for Cruz
Well with these stories on Palin popping up on the MSM tells me the idea is to again silence her before the elections really get humming.
They know she highly influences peoples votes, so much they see a need to start making her seem insignificant early on. This goes not just for the Democrats shaking in their shoes...but the Republican leadership likely as much. They have their favorites, which she often opposes, so they’ll likely play on the fringes of taking her down a few pegs as well.
So funny...this one woman has such an affect, because she spoke ‘to the people’ not ‘at them’ right from the get go....and remains so today.....that you cannot buy!
They never mentioned the presidency, did they? By the way, did you notice that almost all of their sources are from the hard left?
Like I said she won’t run.
The GOPe already dumped her long ago.
She can serve well as spokesman for the right or motivator and likely something more should a conservative win in 2016
I don’t think for a second conservatives are deserting her
Let’s be honest....there aren’t many of stature to desert....her...Cruz...junior congressmen and maybe 3-4 senators besides Ted
Talk radio bobbleheads
A few governors...all of whom have wobbled as conservatives
We don’t have a lot to work with ...yet and beating the GOPe and Ailes/Rove is the real fight
Conservatives will never desert Palin regardless who says so....unless she wobbles markedly....like Rand Paul has
Some bloggers
That’s it
...you can name Palin and Carson and probably cannot name 90% of congress…..you and the rest of the country. Because they both have injected major themes into the entire national conversation over the past few years, and most members of congress never will.
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I tend to agree. Think about Cabinet heads, etc., in a Republican administration.... (disclosure: I’ve had a few brews, so this is just off-the-cuff and not nearly complete)
Palin - Energy
Carson - HHS
Gowdy - AG
Gohmert - SCOTUS
West - Homeland Security
Bolton - State
Eliminate: Education, Labor, NLRB, Interior-BLM (All States’ Rights)
Stop Regulations, unless approved by Congress, and reduce as much as 50% each: EPA, Commerce, Transportation (except FAA), IRS
I agree with much of that. We either have to take over the Republican Party from within at the precinct level or form a wholly separate party and time is limited on deciding which one of those makes the most sense.
Thank you very much for the write up on Sarah Palin, Candor7!!! ...I’ve many of those facts previously, but I don’t believe I’ve seen them pulled together in the artful way that you have done. It’s a keeper!
I also appreciate you detailing why Sarah resigned as Governor, which was mainly due to the frivilous law suits that the State could not pay to defend. She basically resigned to prevent personal/family bankruptcy and save the State the costs of dealing with the law suits; all of which failed in the courts.
There are a handful of FReepers here that still throw rocks at her by accusing her of “quitting” as Gov. after only half her term. They seem to delight in saying she’ll never go anywhere in politics because she’s a “quitter”. I hope those Sarah bashers read your posting and form a different opinion than what they have presented for years.
Sarah Palin is a patriot. We should NOT be taking one ounce of crap from the left about her anymore.I hope you can use the post to help in whatever way you can. We will prevail.
To the person undergoing it it sure as hell feels like torture.>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which is why it is so effective.
The question is do we classify torture by an objective standard ( The conservative test)apart from how the interrogee feels, or shall we use the subjective test
of how the interrogee feels about it ( the lefty test).
Any interrogation is unpleasant.And the humane approach wouyld didctate that there be no interogation at all in the case of “subjective standard.” War is not humane, it is the stae of bellum, human conflict.The objective standard on the classification of “torture” is therefore the proper standard, not the subjective one of the liberal left.
Not one person died of water boarding.But the South Vietnam army used the dual interrogation helecopter jump, which killed most of thiose interrogated, and the inside of the chopper was often coated with human feces. That is torture.Water boarding is not.Its more like a frat prank.
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